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I'm certain some people here have had experiences with them... can you share them? I'm desperate to get Caelan into daycare for 1 day a week and these guys are the only ones that actually have a spot available, so if you wouldn't mind, please share your experiences - good and bad.

 

 

 

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Loveoneson

It is so hard to comment on - whether they are good or not often comes down to the particular staff at the particular centre. It depends on whether or not you are happy with what they provide etc. Example - my son attends a local community based centre that provides food, whereas the ABC centres in my area do not. The fact that there are so many centres all generally following the same policies and procedures does not appeal to me at all, whereas some parents feel comfortable with this - big name, well known name etc. A centre that is focussing mainly on profit is an issue in my opinion - others may think not. I often think - one man has done very well out of this - and if we have a close look at many areas of the centres general running are the staff happy, are the kids happy ( well as far as we can tell from the outside looking in ) if the answer is yes, fine....but if any doubt - avoid at all costs! Hope that makes sense!

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~Rose~

Hey there,

 

I think I am some what qualified to reply to your post as Jordyn has just started at our local ABC, by just I mean Today.

 

I have to say, I was a little dissappointed with the day. I chose to stay for the morning. Only leaving for 20mins - just didn't feel confortable leaving her.

 

We arrived at 9am and unpacked everything etc. and joined the kids playing outside. Jordyn loves the sand pit so that was a first port of call. We wandered up to the sandpit only to find it was empty :confuse: No buckets, no spades. I asked the Group Leader did they not have any? She said oh yeah we do but we haven't go them out yet. I thought that was disgraceful as they open at 6am, it was now 9am they have had 3 hours to get a few buckets out.

 

Anyhoo, Not one of the teachers came and spoke to Jordyn or tried to make her feel welcome. The GL spoke to me for a while.

 

The other staff were just standing around watching the kids, The whole time I was there I did not see ONE of them actually get down and play with the children, any children.

 

I have to say I was very very upset to see this and I think I will now be pulling Jordyn out all together from Daycare and wait until she is old enough to go to the C & K Kindy where Natasha is now. I thought I might just give it one more week, see what happens as the regular GL was away on holidays, as was the director and they had a lot of relief staff. Still no excuse in my book!

 

It so frustrating not being able to find GOOD care for kids!

 

Good Luck

 

 

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I take Aurora to an ABC and am really happy with the people looking after her. They are personable, take genuine delight in her, pride in their work and humour my calls with friendliness.

 

Like San said, it depends on the staff. What are they like? Do they interact well with the kids and seem interested in them? What are their qualifications and how long have they been there? Have a look on the walls and see what info, pictures and newsletters they have up.

 

Perhaps the food issue is a centre by centre thing as I know the place we go to definitely provides brekkies for the kids.

 

Hope this helps, lovey.

 

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marvy

I am going to be honest, I detest these centres, and I think it is totally immoral that so many people are making huge profits out of our children, and more specifically out of providing substandard care for our children.

These centres are staffed by young girls on minimum wages, the don't pay cleaners, the girls do this while supposedly caring for your child!

They have limited equipment, they have a monthly allowance for paint and glue, once that is gone, there is no more, even if the month is half over!

The playgrounds are small and there are no trees, no grass!

Staff do not get relieved for lunch, so one girl is left with all the children.

One centre ( and another EB member can verify this) make the children lay on their beds for up to three hours, so they can take lunchbreaks.

I would like to see all parents demand better for their kids. But the sad fact is that childcare is in such short supply that parents will use these centres, knowing deep down they are not great.

 

My children attend a Community Based Centre, it is non-profit, all the money goes back into the centre, it is leafy, they playground is huge.

They have a qualified chef who cooks amazing meals, like chicken curry with poppadums.

All the staff are fully qualified, they are ladies in their twenties and thirties, who are very nuturing.

They have more equipment than they can poke a stick at. They have enough staff that the children aren't all put together in the mornings and afternoons.

They have cleaners and relievers.

I can get there at 5pm and there is still painting and glueing and playdoh and puzzles and blocks out.

Children are busy.

There is a massive difference in the quality of care in our country and sadly most mothers don't know this, they choose a centre for it's proximity or because it has a vacancy, and they have financial reasons, and nobody can judge them for that BUT I want to cry when I think that Mr Groves has his ABC chain on the stock exchange, our innocent children have made this man a multi-millionaire!

 

Marvy

 

Mum to Evie, Lily and Georgia.

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Bissett

Another positive for ABC

 

Our local provides lunch etc & I have never seen supply shortages. The girls vary in age. In DS's room there is 1 young girl whom I interact with the most. The other 2 are late twenties early thirties.

 

Yes they do their own cleaning but its late in the day & Im assuming they have some kind of roster. There is a cook there too.

 

Ferristar- go check yours out. I had looked at a couple before ABC & I used to cry at the *thought* of sending DS to them but was really really happy with ABC.

Good luck

 

 

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Loveoneson

I am with MARVY 100% - she has just written EXACTLY what I was trying to say in my first post, but she just put it so well! GGGggrrrrr... Mr Groves.

A close family member, is the head admin. person for a group of centres, and is obviously right in with what really happens. She attends every single meeting for Child Care Centres ( these are meetings with government official etc, not just the centre management ) and her reports back from those meetings is just unbelieveable. If the general public really knew what goes on in these types of centres ( not community based ) they would be just horrified - as I am when told the info! For obvious reasons this is all I will say. But well done MARVY!!!

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If the general public really knew what goes on in these types of centres ( not community based ) they would be just horrified - as I am when told the info! For obvious reasons this is all I will say.

 

Now how constructive is a coment like that to this discussion? That is just plain disturbing, and surely if there ARE issues as 'horrfying' as you say there are, then wouldn't it be responsible of you or your friend to report these issues to the proper authorities? :confuse: I'm sorry but that has really unsetlled me. These are peoples CHILDREN we are talking about.

 

Georgie I am also putting Alysha into CC, but she is going in full time as of next year as I am going to TAFE, so I am pretty much in the same boat. The ABC Centre was actually the only one I have looked into so far (closest to my campus) and I have to say I was most impressed with it. The building was brand new (This particular centre was just built 2 months ago) and all of the toys etc were clean, intact and the kids were all pretty happy.

 

The toddler room where DD would be based was run by a lady in her mid 30's and on my first visit there all of the bubs were outside in the sandpit, with the lady building them sandcastles and singing as she went along. It was actually a really pleasant visit, Ally was squirming out of my arms to go play!! lol

 

They provide all meals, have no set 'routine' times (If I write out DD's routine they say they will follow it to a tee) and I am even allowed to send her in her cloth nappes, which some centres do not allow.

 

The centre did have a young girl (18-20) as a helper but I really dont see it as an issue- these girls have to study to get into a job like that, and this particular girl was already into onto her Cert 4 (yes I was nosy, went up and asked outright ;p) which meant she was almost fully qualified.

 

All in all I was quite happy with the place. I certainly am looking around first before making any final plans, but the ABC centre left a pretty good impression on me.

 

 

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marvy

There was a very interesting programme about the ABC chain on Channel 2 (ABC) a few weeks back, think the program was Catalyst, or The 7.30 Report.

It covered some of the more disturbing facts about these centres. Food is rationed, cleaning is done by staff at resttimes.

In the course of my job I visited HUNDREDS of those centres, I am not just spouting off the top of my head. If your ABC centre is run differently to how I described you are in the minority.

This organisation is leaning on the government to change childcare regulations so that they can make themselves even more money.

I saw one centre where the young children had to vacate their room from 3pm onwards so school children could use it. They were forced to remain outside until quite late.

Ask you centre if: they have paid cleaners, they have floaters (staff who relief the other staff for lunch), they have non-contact time (time for programming), they have a budget for new equipment and resources.

Stay there one day and see what each child gets fed and how long they have to go to bed for.

Have a look where the school children go after school.

Then go to a Community Based centre and see the difference.

 

Marvy

 

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Copacetic

After spending the entire morning on the phone to every daycare centre I could find in the book that was appropriate to the area, ABC were the only one that could offer me anything other than occasional care, or that didn't speak to me like I was asking them for world peace.

 

Caelan needs somewhere that he can play and climb to his little hearts content, and for just one day, I want some time to myself.

 

The profit thing doesn't bother me in the least - I guess if they weren't providing decent care, then they wouldn't be making any profit. Believe me, Marvy, if I could get him into any of the community based centres, then I would, but I can't, so its really a non-issue anyway.

 

Cheers!

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SHARI -I wasn't trying to alarm anyone, just bringing peoples attention to the way the centres run. Just agreeing with all that Marvy has said in her posts.

The things that I am talking about, are in line with what Marvy has been talking about, as well as the general admin. issues relating to each centre. I find the issues discussed by Marvy and myself disturbing as well, hence I felt that my comments were constructive!

 

What more can I say - I shouldn't need to get into specifics about individual centres ( either community or profit based ) as in my opinion, it is quite obvious to everyone what the issues are - if they just ask the centres a few basic questions, as Marvy has outlined above. If you are happy with the answers that is all that matters.

 

SHARI - with regards to you saying tell the " proper authorities " , there is nothing that the authorities probably don't already know. That is the problem - the centre management etc. seem to have so much push behind them, that it is often out of the other parties hands, iykwim. As Marvy said, they are in talks all the time with the government, trying to change the regulations to work more in their favour.

 

If the focus is on profit, then the general budget allowances are very restrictive on staff and families alike - hence in my opinion, this is an issue, but not an issue for authorities, just for the person who is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

I am hoping the above outlines my view a bit clearer, if not, I am sorry if you take it the wrong way, it is so not intended to alarm ( as no children are in harms way ), but rather to alert people to be up front and ask their centre the questions that they need to.

 

 

 

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moodle

I don't understand how ABC centres would be different from other child care centres? We put our names down for quite a few centres about a year ago and quite a few have now been bought by ABC. When I asked one girl what that meant she said that it made no difference. They still had the same staff, policies, building, equipment etc.. just a different owner.

From what I have heard also, when ABC buy old centres they renovate and do them up, buy new equipment etc... That can only be a good thing...

It is so hard to get child care. Parents do the best they can in picking them. You can ask a million questions- centres will always tell you what they think you want to hear. It's up to you to suss it out and see what you think. Your first impression is usually correct.

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Rhoxie

I've also been doing the tours around my suburb and it's surrounds hunting for decent daycare.

 

Two weeks ago I went into a brand new ABC centre built from scratch and looking stunning.

I intially thought wow - however when I got up close only the lawn on the OUTSIDE of the play areas was real (ie around the front where the kids don't play). The rest was the fake stuff which lets face it isn't soft or nice to sit/lay/play/fall on. ditto for the pretty garden - it was all out the front for show - the main play area had one plant and that was a tree.

I got inside and it was pristine (even the pin up boards had specific down lights on them !) - I was impressed it looked soo clean .. but then I noticed that their weren't any pictures .. or handmade posters or anything the little that was up was printed out on a computer and laminated then put up - it lacked atmoshere and reminded me of an office not a place for happy children.

 

Any way the lady who gave the tour was upset that I didn't have an 'appointment' and she had all the warmth of a dead wet fish.

 

I didn't like the centre and by the end of the tour decided there was NO WAY in He!! I was letting my baby go there.

The following are thing things I didn't like (I only did the tour of the babies area she wouldn't show me anything else.

 

- Both regular carers were out sick so the room was staffed by relief workers unfamiliar to the babies.

 

- I wasn't allowed to talk to the carers in the room (which left me gobsmacked so she was force to tell me about the above)

 

- a Baby was handed her bottle and consumed it whilst wandering around the room.

 

- I was told that babies are kept on their home schedules for food/milk/naps but then later told that all the babies have lunch at 11 then go for nap.

 

- The baby room program was written shorthand with specific codes for each child and could have been gobbledeegook for all I know - and from what I could tell each child had ONE programmed activity per day and that was it.

 

-I was in the room for 1/2 an hour and not one person was playing or doing anything with the babies at all - both carers were sitting down (not with the babies) and the babies were ammusing themselves.

 

-I was told that the babies room does not do any art or craft because there was no benefit for the babies and they can't do it properly anyway (I have heaps of artwork from Kiara at that age ! so WTF??)

 

- Babies have to move up to Toddlers room at 15months ! (EEK didn't like that one at all - esp with the NOISE and kids yelling etc coming through from the toddler room on the other side of the bath room).

 

She kept saying 'IF' we accept your child and 'when' he starts and she kept saying that the huge welcome pack that she had given me answered all my questions and I should go home and read it and come back with the paperwork filled out (When I got home if was FULL of paperwork for me to fill out and answered NONE of my questions).

 

-There were very limited toys on view in the babies room and their play yard was completely bare (so I don't know what they do outside perhaps the carers get it out later).

 

- There were limited interactions between the carers and the babies and NOT once was a child's name used - I got the impression that the releif carers didn't know the childrens names.

 

- There were no handmade (by carers) stuff on the walls at all which I found really strange - the babies room over all was bland and boring.

 

- the whole environment gave me the creeps

 

So I'm going with my impression and steering clear of that centre :)

 

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marvy

Rhoxie, some of the concerns you have are breaches of accreditation. (Centres have to set a certain standard in all areas to be eligible for government subsidies)

I have never heard of having no artistic experiences in a baby room, babies are very sensory and love to play with paint and playdoh. Obviously they are closely watched to make sure they don't eat too much paint.

It is all about the experience not the end product at that age.

One of my girlfriends worked in an ABC centre and she was stunned when on day they had the accreditation assessor coming, they had the place professionally cleaned, they brought in extra handwashing soap, they rostered on extra staff, they brought out every piece of equipment they had, they made extra food!!!

Then the next day it all went back to normal.

 

One of the biggest cons in the childcare industry is that many parents don't look past the fact that the centre is new and shiny and they have spent money on attractive downlighting etc. But when it comes to the things that matter like equipment and staff they don't do the right thing.

 

My children's centre is a beautiful old building that was once an orphange. It has hardwood floors and everything is timber. They have lots of big wood crates for the children to hide in and make cubbies.

All of the toys are in big cane baskets, (they have no plastic or powder-coated steel)

They not only have toilets inside, they have toilets on the verandah's for the children who are playing outside. They have gardens everywhere that the children work on everyday.

There is painting set up all the time, there is glueing inside and out, there is an inside home corner, and one outside.

There are heaps of books to read and many block sets to choose from.

All sheets, nappies and food is provided.

Each child has a diary, parents can read everyday, in this diary there are photos taken everyweek, they write which puzzles your child completed, which toys they played with, who they played with, what they said.

At the end of the year this diary is yours, it is in a hardcover book.

QUT Early Childhood is using my children's centre as a model for what early childhood education should be.

I know how hard it is to get care, I know we cannot all boycott ABC, but we can ask the right questions, if parents would only expect more, they would get more.

But parents only see the surface sometimes.

I want our government to see that the standard of childcare in this country is rapidly dropping. Big business has infiltrated, it is all about profits.

 

 

Marvy

 

Mum to Evie, Lily and Georgia.

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I was going to try and sit back and just read the previous comments but have decided to have my say.

I work for ABC and have done for almost a two years. I previously worked in the same centre and it was sold to ABC. So in all I have worked for 2 different companies at the same centre in a period of 6 years next month.

I am getting off the topic a bit from the original question but I would like to clear things up as I think I know a lot more about how it is all run.

 

When I heard ABC were taking over my centre I was very concerned. I worked for a company that held the best name in child care in my area and the centre was FULL!!

However when ABC took over there weren't many changes made at all.

 

I have to say I agree with San2 that each centre is different and the STAFF make the centre not the company.

My centre is a large centre catering for 100 children a day. We have six rooms.

 

Rose I am so sorry to hear about your bad experience with ABC. I can't believe that the staff weren't interacting with the children and that there wasn't any equipment out.

 

Amoir - I am so glad that you are happy with your ABC centre.

 

Marvy - I have to say I disagree with your comment that ABC employ young girls on minimum wages. To be honest we are ALL on minimum wages. Child care workers earn next to nothing compared to teachers and we have a huge amount of planning to do for the children.

Also I do not know one ABC in my area with young girls working. I guess it depends what you class as 'young'. I am only 23 but have 6 years experience and my Diloma of Children's Service and studying my Bachelor of teaching. Would you rather a 30 year old look after your child with no qualifications? or someone that knows what they are doing and why?

 

Yes we do have a monthly allowance but each centre's is different. We certainly don't have limited equipment as we are receiving 3 monthly orders of heaps of toys both indoor and outdoor.

We have a qualified chef at my centre and we provide the children with morning and afternoon tea and lunch.

Morning tea and afternoon tea consists of 5 different fruits and piklets, muffins, biscuits, yogurt, custard etc depending on the day.

Lunch is varied 3 hot meals a week and sandwiches twice a week. Hot meals vary we have stir fries, fried rice, quiche and salad, pizza, spaghetti bolognaise etc.

There is ALWAYS food left over we have too much soi wouldn't say it is rationed.

Yes we do our cleaning at rest times. We wipe tables down, sweep and mop the floor and clean the bathrooms and I don't have a problem with this and I would hope community based centres would do this too for health and hygeiene reasons.

 

All room leaders get 2-3 hours a week planning time.

All our toys are also in big cane baskets also.

We have plenty of art set up all the time [except on extremely windy days when the paper is blown away].

 

We too have a 'journal' for each child that we fill in throughout the year and include artwork, observations, photo's etc.

 

We also have quality assurance come and check our centre every 3 months and they tuen up without warning to make sure everything is running smoothly.

We were also accredited for 3 years a few months ago and previously were accredited 3 years before that. NOTHING changed at our centre on the days of accreidation. I have also worked close by with other ABCS and know that they all run relatively the same as mine so I don't believe my centre is in the minority. I know directors at centres in out back NSW and have been to their centres also.

 

Rhoxie - My centre too has artifical grass but the other centre in my area don't. I do agree that it is not child friendly especially with children crawling and tripping over [i remember when my daughter was crawling and found it difficult] howver my centre has serious problems with shade etc and the grass NEVER grew and when it rained the centre was all muddy. When ABC took over they put the artificial grass in and it is so much better now.

 

Okay I have rattled enough. I hope I have cleared any questions up and please feel free to ask me any more I will be happy to answer.

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ABC has just taken over the centre my DD attends and so far only a few minor things have changed (ie. the information on the noticeboard). My daughter still has the same carers and I have to agree that it's the staff that make the centre.

 

We also have a community based not-for-profit centre in town. I applied for a position there 12 months ago and was told that I was on a waiting list and that I would receive a call when a position became available. I'm still waiting (the town I live in has a population of 4600 and seems to be a mecca for retirees!) and I've since heard that they are very choosy when accepting children (I guess the fact that I've only been here for 18 months and therefore am not local may have some bearing on why I haven't received a phone call.) Also, the community based centre does not supply food and I'm sure you all know how hard it is to feed a toddler. I love the fact that the ABC centre has a 'cook' so that I don't have to worry about what I'm going to send along for my child to eat (or for it to be sent home at the end of the day uneaten).

 

When I first went back to work after having DD I looked into family daycare and realised that this type of care was not for me and decided on a centre where I knew the carers had qualifications and the day was some what structured. I have a friend who prefers family daycare to centres. At the end of the day you have to choose the type of care that is going to work for you and your family.

 

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My DS 17 months has just started at our local ABC. After visiting one other brand new centre,that was very impressive with its new outdoor area and clean looking inside, I was not impressed with their director who was very pushy and also there rules about sleeptime etc. I take my sons food for the day which I am completely happy about as then I know that he is getting food that I want him to eat and also enough, although if they were to change and supply it then I would be happy as well. I have spent the last 5 weeks there as DS only attends on a Friday and so far hasn't wanted me to leave him!, although is happy enough when I am there and loves going there. The carers are fantastic the assistant in his room is only 18 and really I would rather have someone young and happy to be there, than someone older who has been working with kids for years and bored with it. Shes very loving and the kids hug and show her affection alot as does she.They use the sleep time when they have another person filling in to wash the tables,floors etc, which I think is great as at least its clean.They are in the process of getting brand new play areas with artifical grass which with the weather being so hot the grass if real wouldn't grow, so the kids would be playing on dirt, I am happy with the artifical stuff. The only downside I guess is that the toys aren't as nice as I would have liked but I guess with ten 15 month to 2.5 years playing with them all day long they aren't going to stay nice for long. So as you can see I have nothing but positives for our ABC, even after a short time there, attending with my child.

 

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Copacetic

Okay, well, I went and saw them today, and I'm happy to say that I was impressed.

 

There WAS artwork onthe walls - by both the kids and the carers. Caelan will be in a room with only 6 other children his age. All of the food is provided, the only thing I need to take for him is hat and a change of clothes. They will provide the nappies.

 

The carers were lovely.

 

Don't really have a problem with that!!

 

Cheers!

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dazza

Glad you liked the centre! As long as you and bubs are happy that's all that matters!

 

This is a very interesting topic to me as my daughter attends one ABC centre 2 days/wk and another ABC centre 1 day.

 

I find the centre she attends 2 days better than the other. I just don't get as good a 'vibe' from the other.

 

The main centre she attends is fantastic. The staff are excellent, always have a chat, very flexible with Annalise (definately no enforced sleep time), food is provided except for breakfast and food after 4:30, I send in nappies, no apparent lack of paint(pics galore come home), they didn't have pics up at the beginning of the year but they had just opened so how could they?, the staff are younger mostly but the youngest was in the year above me at school so she would be 23/24 and is qualified and I'd rather them qualified regardless of age, artificial grass but it's better than mud or dust and Annalise has never had any dramas with it, and most important of all, Annalise LOVES it.

 

Ella'smama where are you? We are in country NSW, forbes parkes area, maybe you know the centres Annalise attends?

 

I think you would be right to judge each centre as it comes, it's the staff that make it count.

 

Michaela

 

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Oh these brand spankin' new ABC centres look lovely dont they.

If you're into aesthetics, ABC all the way. If you're into care and education for your child look elsewhere.

 

I had my child at one and also worked there voluntarily. They are NOT up to scratch, although many other centres probably arent either. But they really do care for money over your child.

 

 

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kimzboyz

I think it really depends on the staff at the particular centre. I am very happy with ours. Our oldest boy says - 'I like daycare' when we go.

 

I live a block from our ABC centre, and our boys go there two days a week. We have to provide meals and nappies, but the fees are reasonable (about average) so I don't mind. We also have fundraising activities -but I don't have a problem with this because I'm sure a lot of non-profit ones do as well.

 

It is an older centre, has heaps of play equipment and several different playgrounds. They are also installing air conditioning.

 

The staff I deal with are lovely. In particular, there are two very mature staff who I was lucky enough to look after my boys while in nursery. Just lovely. Always happy to have a chat about the boys and their development.

 

There is artwork everywhere in the rooms.

 

They always have a book of the days activities. Even babies do art stuff. There never seems to be a shortage of art supplies and activities. Last Christmas the staff made the art up into a folio book as a present for parents.

 

The staff interact well with the kids and have real affection for them, getting kisses and cuddles on the way out.

 

Because we live close, I have dropped in for a little peek if I have the day off (usually working, but occassionally manage to take a leave day off when the boys are in care). The staff interact with the kids really well even when they don't expect anyone to be looking.

 

They do fund raising activities, just as I am sure community care ones do.

 

Yes, the kids usually have a nap in the middle of the day once they get out of nursery - but I have to say - I love it. I always had trouble getting my older boy down for a nap, but once he started getting in to the routine of having a nap with the other kids at day care, it became a lot easier for me to establish it at home.

 

Most kids that young do need a nap during the middle of the day anway.

 

 

 

Kimley

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jusstyce

Liseesmum- I work in Northern NSW so a bit further away from you however I have been out west to Gilgandra and Coonabarabran centres too.

 

It has been interesting reading the comments about ABC. Something actually happpened today that I would like to mention however I don't know if I should. My staff room backs onto another centre and in between centres is a reserve type park. A lot of us staff often eat under the trees to get some fresh air. The centre across from us is a community based centre.

Anyway one of the girls from my centre was having her morning tea this morning. Across at the other centre's yard was a young girl screaming and about 10 children around her. The girl from my work walked over to see if she was okay after about 5 minutes as she didn't want to intrude on the other centre's space but figured a staff member would be nearby. No one came so the girl from my work went over the the girl who happened to have her leg stuck [up to her thigh] through the fence. The girl from my work yelled out about 10 times to someone from that centre but no one came [there were 4 staff having a chat around the corner].

The girl was very distressed so the girl from my work didn't want to leave her but after yelling out she told the little girl to wait and she would get help. She went around the corner and yelled to a staff member who casually strolled over despite being told of the situation. They managed to get the girls leg out and the girl from my work told them to put ice on it.

There was not one thank you or anything and the staff member strolled off back to the other staff members and began chatting.

We were all disgusted to hear this. It was only 2 weeks ago that this centre lost a child who had scaled the fence. The director was looking for this child for nearly 2 hours before calling the parents and police.

 

I guess my point is each cente is individual, whether they are community based or privately owned. I am in a large centre and there is NO WAY that a child would get stuck in a fence and we wouldn't know about it.

And if it did happen we would be very much appreciative if we were told by the centre across from us.

 

 

I am a bit confused to hear that ABC centres are fundraising as I have always been told we can't as we are privately owned????? Will check this one out.

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Cas

Just wondering what people pay for their daycare? In terms of getting a sense of what you get for your money? My girls go to a community-based centre in Eltham (Melbourne). Fees are $48 a day or thereabouts, I pay $89 for the 2 of them after the minimum childcare rebate. I provide no food, no nappies, just a change of clothes and a hat.

 

I have no experience of ABC centres, though there are a couple in the area and they've just taken over another one, but was just interested to see what the fee differences are. I know they'll vary between city and country but it seems, anecdotally, that the private centres can cost quite a bit more and you actually get less for your money. I'm not making any judgements here, just curious.

 

Cheers, Carolyn

 

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ABC Centre (Canningvale/Thornlie WA area) $51 per day for babies room

Tommy Turtle - (Huntingdale WA) $48.00 per day for babies room

Maddington Childcare centre (WA) $47 per day for babies room

 

All meals snacks provided (byo nappies & bottled milk)

 

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