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All women on QR908 flight Doha to Sydney were asked to disembark after a premature baby was found in a rest room. They were asked to strip and genital exams were performed on them, without their consent, and without explanation by a male doctor who spoke no English. Fourteen of the women are Australian citizens and the AFP are now involved. 

I gasped out loud when I first heard this story last night. Absolutely horrendous. 

ABC Radio reported this morning that one of the Australian women who had her genitals inspected was elderly and not of child baring age. 

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/10/doha-airport-forces-genital-exam-on-australian-women/

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Lou-bags

HOLY SHIT.

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Pooks_

I’ve never seen the foreign minister look so rattled.

It is treating women like cattle. Awful. 

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Rowenas necklace

I heard about this on the radio bulletin this morning, how absolutely horrific!

At least one of the women is considering legal action, and rightly so - they terrorised and abused these women.

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Soontobegran

There are other ways of checking whether a woman has just given birth that are still not cool but are far less invasive.

This is a terrible story.

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Beanette

Absolutely insane. 

I don't buy that they "just wanted to check on the health and welfare of the mother before she departed" either....

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~Jolly_F~

Screw that.. 

They would have to arrest me before that went down because it would not be happening without  a fight. 

And I would be suing the a*se off that airline!! 

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Amica
1 minute ago, Beanette said:

Absolutely insane. 

I don't buy that they "just wanted to check on the health and welfare of the mother before she departed" either....

Neither do I. 

 

More like so they could arrest the mother.

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Murderino

This is assault plain and simple.  There surely were other flights with women as well at the time so I wonder if there are more flights full of women who were checked.

And I agree Beanette it was not done out of concern for the welfare of the mother. Can you just imagine what she must have feared to have left her baby in that restroom.

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Bono25

It made me physically ill to read that this morning. I don't like being touched down at the best of times, and I've had doctors just start digging around in there before. To think of that happening in a foreign country, where I bet they were told if they didn't do it, they wouldn't be allowed in the plane, must have been terrifying. 

This happened at the start of the month. Why are we just hearing about this now. 

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DQMission

I saw this last night and felt horrified for the poor women who were forced to be examined. I dont see any significant fallout (ie. government reprimands, legal cases etc) coming from this though, unfortunately. 

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Beanette
8 minutes ago, Murderino said:

This is assault plain and simple.  There surely were other flights with women as well at the time so I wonder if there are more flights full of women who were checked.

And I agree Beanette it was not done out of concern for the welfare of the mother. Can you just imagine what she must have feared to have left her baby in that restroom.

Agree, no one would leave a premature baby in a random bathroom unless they truly thought that was their best option. 

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CrankyM

I feel horribly sick reading this. Those poor women. How traumatizing and horrific! This is assault plain and simple. 

There would be others ways to investigate this.

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purplekitty

Federal Gov missing in action again.

Article below has a first person account from an older Australian woman who was taken off the plane for examination.She said they must have thought she was too old because they didn't examine her in the end.

 

It is illegal to have sex outside marriage in Qatar. In neighbouring United Arab Emirates, unmarried migrant mothers are required to serve a jail sentence before they can leave the country. Healthcare workers are required to report any unmarried mothers for breaking the law, so many choose to give birth without assistance, not in hospital.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/26/i-was-absolutely-terrified-australian-witness-recounts-qatar-strip-search-ordeal?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1603676282

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Lazycow

Wtf

That is horrific.

How in this day and age is treating women like this still acceptable? It really does make me worry for my DDs 😢

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Lunafreya
37 minutes ago, Soontobegran said:

There are other ways of checking whether a woman has just given birth that are still not cool but are far less invasive.

This is a terrible story.

Can I ask how this can be done?

just curious 

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YodaTheWrinkledOne
11 minutes ago, purplekitty said:

Federal Gov missing in action again.

Genuine question - but what is the federal government supposed to do exactly?

I would imagine that this is a very diplomatic and sensitive issue, and I am not surprised if Dept Foreign Affairs has been investigating this quietly. the Feds were only aware of what happened after the Australians landed in Sydney (NSW Police reported it to AFP). 

 

31 minutes ago, DQMission said:

I dont see any significant fallout (ie. government reprimands, legal cases etc) coming from this though, unfortunately. 

Neither do I. 😢 There may be little that our government can do (legally, politically) and evidently Qatar authorities feel that they can do whatever they want to foreigners.

I wonder if other flights had the same interrogations?

I have never wanted to stop in Doha when I was flying overseas previously. I sure as hell won't be stopping there in the future!

 

15 minutes ago, Lazycow said:

How in this day and age is treating women like this still acceptable? It really does make me worry for my DDs 😢

You do realise this was in Qatar, don't you? There are many countries with fundamentalist, conservative culture that treat women as property and as second class citizens. Stonings and  lashings are still legal punishment in Qatar. Treating women like this still happens all over the world. 😢

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Lunafreya

Qatar gets away with it because of their rich oil and gas industry  

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Bono25

I'd like to know if other women of other nationalities were also singled out. 

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purplekitty
2 minutes ago, YodaTheWrinkledOne said:

Genuine question - but what is the federal government supposed to do exactly?

I would imagine that this is a very diplomatic and sensitive issue, and I am not surprised if Dept Foreign Affairs has been investigating this quietly. the Feds were only aware of what happened after the Australians landed in Sydney (NSW Police reported it to AFP). 

 

 

We don't know do we?

 #scottyfromhillsong and his cronies have given me no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt

 

It allegedly has only come out because if was about to be published in the media.

It happened on Oct.2

Perhaps the women did not want it made public, or perhaps the women approached media.

 

However,we do have a right to some information about where we fly and who we fly with.Even in COVID times.

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YodaTheWrinkledOne
3 minutes ago, Lunafreya said:

Qatar gets away with it because of their rich oil and gas industry  

Because they are another country and Australia has very little influence or clout on their economics or politics. Qatar isn't the only country like that though. It is very hard for one country to tell another country what they can and can't do within their own borders. 

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Amica
8 minutes ago, Bono25 said:

I'd like to know if other women of other nationalities were also singled out. 

Linked article (and other media) are reporting that all women were escorted off the plane, of which 14 were Australian citizens. 

It seems crew were not examined. 

What I haven't read anywhere is if passengers from other flights were subject to the same horror. 

 

ETA: I have read from several sources that the mother has not been identified. Thank goodness she managed to slip through IMO. Even being raped in Qatar is a criminal offence. I can't imagine what she would have been subject to had she been identified. Horrendous state of affairs that this was her best option. I hope she is safe and doing well under the circumstances. 

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Fennel Salad
42 minutes ago, Lazycow said:

How in this day and age is treating women like this still acceptable? 

Because they can. Because certain cultures don't view this behaviour as a violating a woman and sexual assault. 

A number of countries have a veneer of modernity but that's all it is, a thin veneer. They are utterly medieval and brutal. But because of money and power, trading partners turn a blind eye.

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YodaTheWrinkledOne
Just now, purplekitty said:

However,we do have a right to some information about where we fly and who we fly with.Even in COVID times.

Before COVID times, this would have been possible in Qatar. You'd be nuts to fly into a country like that and NOT be aware of what that country is like - very strict Islam, practices shia law, women are not equal, lots of human rights violations, etc, etc. That was happening well before 2020. 

I am surprised if anyone genuinely believes this is a "new" thing for Qatar. It's not. Far from it.

 

2 minutes ago, Amica said:

What I haven't read anywhere is if passengers from other flights were subject to the same horror. 

This is what I want to know. Why that flight? What made them pick that flight or did they also chose other flights as well?

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Expelliarmus
36 minutes ago, Lunafreya said:

Can I ask how this can be done?

just curious 

I imagine a stomach palpitation To check size etc of uterus would be one way. 

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