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Oh wow....that's interesting isn't it!

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Soontobegran
1 hour ago, purplekitty said:

So what about the weeks of saturation news that a security guard slept with someone in quarantine and was the sole cause of the outbreak?

Journalists and the media need to offer a few apologies and corrections.

They have been behaving like employees of the National Enquirer, I'm surprised there weren't alien babies involved.

Investigation before publishing was a thing once.

Were they ever named as the sole cause?  I am not sure about that but what was apparent that there were behaviours that could very well have caused the outbreak, their behaviour can not just be excused.

Still it is a moot point until we get the result of the enquiry. 

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Soontobegran
45 minutes ago, born.a.girl said:

 

Fortunately another member of the group had a friend who was a nurse at the 'hot hotel' and had said that just about everything we were hearing was no more than rumour, and scuttlebuck. 

I can counter that anecdote with information from someone who is very much more informed than a nurse in a hot hotel. The numbers of dodgy workers was low however those who were did a great job of being dodgy. When we are talking about security guards sleeping with guests it is interesting that people presume the guards were all men.

I am certainly not someone who wants the security companies and their workers lumped together as the cause and I have always said that but I also think there is a need to acknowledge that all was not well with all of them.

Aside from my information there have been several whistle blowers who have risked so much reporting what happened. We can not discount their stories.

 

 

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purplekitty
18 minutes ago, Soontobegran said:

Were they ever named as the sole cause?  I am not sure about that but what was apparent that there were behaviours that could very well have caused the outbreak, their behaviour can not just be excused.

Still it is a moot point until we get the result of the enquiry. 

The media frenzy certainly made it seem so as did the targeted questioning of DA.

I look forward to the outcome of the enquiry as well, failures and causes are often more complicated ,nuanced and uncertain than people would like.

It was an unprecedented and tumultuous time with decisions having to be made quickly and the consequences far-reaching.

Much of the work practices and dodgyness in employment that companies and we as a larger society get away with have been highlighted as a problem with COVID.

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born.a.girl
16 minutes ago, Soontobegran said:

I can counter that anecdote with information from someone who is very much more informed than a nurse in a hot hotel. The numbers of dodgy workers was low however those who were did a great job of being dodgy. When we are talking about security guards sleeping with guests it is interesting that people presume the guards were all men.

I am certainly not someone who wants the security companies and their workers lumped together as the cause and I have always said that but I also think there is a need to acknowledge that all was not well with all of them.

Aside from my information there have been several whistle blowers who have risked so much reporting what happened. We can not discount their stories.

 

 

I consider someone working on the site to be well informed.

I've frequently wondered if it was a quarantine guest paying a guard for their 'services' be the guard male or female, if the rumour was true.

I'm not discounting any stories, I've simply said that 'much of what we are hearing is innuendo and scuttlebuck', i.e. that one security guard had sex with six women, along with various other wild rumours.

That doesn't mean the issues didn't happen, it means ALL the rumours didn't happen.

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purplekitty

TRIGGER WARNING.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, born.a.girl said:

I consider someone working on the site to be well informed.

I've frequently wondered if it was a quarantine guest paying a guard for their 'services' be the guard male or female, if the rumour was true.

I'm not discounting any stories, I've simply said that 'much of what we are hearing is innuendo and scuttlebuck', i.e. that one security guard had sex with six women, along with various other wild rumours.

That doesn't mean the issues didn't happen, it means ALL the rumours didn't happen.

I'd not heard those rumours so rumours are obviously specific to different groups.

How do you know that my information was not from someone working on site or actually working in the investigation of the claims?

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born.a.girl
Just now, Soontobegran said:

I'd not heard those rumours so rumours are obviously specific to different groups.

How do you know that my information was not from someone working on site or actually working in the investigation of the claims?

I didn't say it wasn't, I simply said that this information came from someone working on site.

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YodaTheWrinkledOne
Just now, born.a.girl said:

I didn't say it wasn't, I simply said that this information came from someone working on site.

Someone working on site may not know anything more than what they see, what they have been told, which may not be the full picture.  Very easy for people to only know part of a story, even when they work at the place.

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Soontobegran
1 minute ago, born.a.girl said:

I didn't say it wasn't, I simply said that this information came from someone working on site.

It's all he said/she said until the results of the enquiry.

Truce.

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born.a.girl
Just now, YodaTheWrinkledOne said:

Someone working on site may not know anything more than what they see, what they have been told, which may not be the full picture.  Very easy for people to only know part of a story, even when they work at the place.

For sure, but like all of the 'I have it on good authority' stories here about level 4 the first time, then the restrictions when it did come in, I'll take the official information.

My comment was refuting the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of someone repeating a rumour as though it was fact, and someone who worked on site saying MANY of the rumours (not all) were just that.

It's inevitable that in a situation like that, rumours are going to circulate and be spread gleefully by certain publications.

I've not got much interest in anything except the official sources.

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Soontobegran
8 minutes ago, purplekitty said:

TRIGGER WARNING.

 

 

 

 

 

I've got nothing. :(

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born.a.girl
2 minutes ago, Soontobegran said:

It's all he said/she said until the results of the enquiry.

Truce.

Absolutely.

I've probably moved from my original point too, which was really that there were outrageous rumours doing the rounds, and it is highly likely than many of them are no more than that.

I should have clarified that I didn't doubt many things that were hinted at DID go on - no smoke without fire.

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got my tinsel on
2 hours ago, purplekitty said:

 

If Dan Andrews doesn't want to make a bid for federal parliament, I'd be happy for Andrew Probyn to give it a go.

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