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Jaffa donuts

I know mask wearing isn't being promoted in Australia.  We live in Melbourne and DH is needing to use public transport next week.  We are thinking that wearing a mask might be a good idea, but have no idea what sort of mask is appropriate.  Any ideas?

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blimkybill

My understanding is several types of mask can reduce Covid transmission risk. You could buy a pack of surgical masks (they seem to be available now) but they are single use and not cheap at the moment. or you could get a couple of cloth masks and wash daily. Cloth masks have been shown to have some value,just T shirt material or a couple of layers of woven cotton. You can also buy a range of washable masks online. 

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can'tstayaway

I think the value in any mask is if the wearer is asymptomatic and to help them stop spreading the virus unknowingly.  
 

If he is wanting to wear one to avoid catching covid, I think you need a more specialised mask but the risks are that you don’t take it off properly and contaminate yourself anyway. 
 

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born.a.girl

Are you wanting to reduce the risk of transmission by him, or to him?

The greatest benefits of masks to the everyday wearer is to stop our own bugs landing on other people.   For that purpose, you can air and re-use them.   They do little to protect the wearer though, without rigorous attention to all sorts of detail, that takes medical people a while to learn.

https://www.facebook.com/KHQkev/videos/265706771159373/?v=265706771159373

 

This is a telling lab test that shows just how far our own bugs travel when we breathe, cough, or sneeze.

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The new me

If I was traveling on public transport in melb, I would 100% wear a mask!

from what I read: 

N95 is the best bet and you can get these from some chemists and even Bunnings.

Surgical masks are also pretty good

all should be single use

the cloth masks people are making /selling have some benefit but you would need to change regularly and was so at least 3-4 for the day.  Personally I probs wouldn't use these for a one off, but if regularly using then I might get a heap.

removing a mask and  not touching any contaminated part is a risk and needs care, so reuse masks need to be treated with care when putting in the washing machine  later in the day for example (remember the virus can last on surfaces for days)

 

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born.a.girl
9 minutes ago, The new me said:

If I was traveling on public transport in melb, I would 100% wear a mask!

from what I read: 

N95 is the best bet and you can get these from some chemists and even Bunnings.

Surgical masks are also pretty good

all should be single use

the cloth masks people are making /selling have some benefit but you would need to change regularly and was so at least 3-4 for the day.  Personally I probs wouldn't use these for a one off, but if regularly using then I might get a heap.

removing a mask and  not touching any contaminated part is a risk and needs care, so reuse masks need to be treated with care when putting in the washing machine  later in the day for example (remember the virus can last on surfaces for days)

 

That's why the main reason for wearing masks is to protect other people, and since that has become common knowledge, has seen such resistance in the USA.   All the advice in any space where you cannot socially distance is mainly to protect other people.

You can definitely re-use masks when you are using them to protect others.

Protecting yourself from other people is quite difficult.  Unless you're going to catch the train in full PPE.

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The new me

Yes masks are best used to protect others but do offer some protection to the wearer, especially if you combine that with social distancing, which can be difficult on public transport, so ideally everyone would wear a mask in that situation.

Americans (as a group) seem to hate the idea that they are doing something for someone else, if the message was that it was to protect themselves, I think more people would wear them.  Pretty sad, but there it is.

Re-using a mask if you are the sick person is even worse, because when you touch it, you spread the virus on your hands, so single use remains the better option (except for the environmental aspects) etc.

 

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blimkybill

This recent meta analysis from the Lancet indicates that the use of masks can greatly reduce covid transmission in both healthcare and non healthcare settings. The effect of mask use was at least as high as the effect of physical distancing. 

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)31142-9

With the increased incidence of community transmission in Melbourne, people out in public and using public transport can't know for sure they are not infected. So I would think it would be prudent to wear a mask. If I worked on public transport I definitely would be agitating for all passengers to wear masks. 

The same paper also found eye protection (eg face shields) were also useful. Maybe public transport workers need this type of protection. 

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born.a.girl
3 minutes ago, The new me said:

Yes masks are best used to protect others but do offer some protection to the wearer, especially if you combine that with social distancing, which can be difficult on public transport, so ideally everyone would wear a mask in that situation.

Americans (as a group) seem to hate the idea that they are doing something for someone else, if the message was that it was to protect themselves, I think more people would wear them.  Pretty sad, but there it is.

Re-using a mask if you are the sick person is even worse, because when you touch it, you spread the virus on your hands, so single use remains the better option (except for the environmental aspects) etc.

 

Oh yeah, Americans as a whole ... fortunately there are exceptions, but just not enough, and enough vocal minorities to influenced the uninformed.

yes, they do off a little protection, but the chances of you being asymptomatic and infected are minimal, and if you have symptoms you shouldn't be out there unless it's the only way to get to testing.

You can leave a mask out in the fresh air for a few days and solve both issues that way.  Just wash your hands after taking it off.   After all, if you're infectious you're spreading it with your hands pretty much any time you don't have the mask on.

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born.a.girl
2 minutes ago, blimkybill said:

This recent meta analysis from the Lancet indicates that the use of masks can greatly reduce covid transmission in both healthcare and non healthcare settings. The effect of mask use was at least as high as the effect of physical distancing. 

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)31142-9

With the increased incidence of community transmission in Melbourne, people out in public and using public transport can't know for sure they are not infected. So I would think it would be prudent to wear a mask. If I worked on public transport I definitely would be agitating for all passengers to wear masks. 

The same paper also found eye protection (eg face shields) were also useful. Maybe public transport workers need this type of protection. 

Yes, if we're going to do it, it should be mandated, so that those who really don't give too many hoots about others, are at least at less risk of infecting others.

Pity the poor public transport workers.  So many lost their lives in New York.

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bubskitkat

I agree with the others in this thread. If using public transportation, it would be best to wear a mask. The way things are going, I would not be surprised if those in the Melbourne area are mandated to wear a mask.

bunnings are also selling facial shields.

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Posted (edited)

Everyone on public transport in Melbourne should now, imho, be wearing a mask. Shopping too, anywhere where it’s hard to maintain social distancing / poor ventilation. 
 

eta chemist warehouse has 50 packs of disposable surgical masks for $60. 

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blimkybill
25 minutes ago, born.a.girl said:

yes, they do off a little protection, but the chances of you being asymptomatic and infected are minimal, and if you have symptoms you shouldn't be out there unless it's the only way to get to testing.

 

This is not actually true. People can be quite infectious the day or two before symptoms begin and a large percentage of infections arise form these people. 

Have a look back at this fabulous article; there is a graph half way through showing how often and when infection spreads from one person to another. At that time 45% of infections came from pre-symptomatic people.  https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-basic-dance-steps-everybody-can-follow-b3d216daa343

Nobody who has been interacting with the world  should assume they are not infected and potentially a pre-symptomatic and able to infect others. If you catch public transport and you live in Melbourne, this could be you. 

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born.a.girl
1 minute ago, blimkybill said:

This is not actually true. People can be quite infectious the day or two before symptoms begin and a large percentage of infections arise form these people. 

Have a look back at this fabulous article; there is a graph half way through showing how often and when infection spreads from one person to another. At that time 45% of infections came from pre-symptomatic people.  https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-basic-dance-steps-everybody-can-follow-b3d216daa343

Nobody who has been interacting with the world  should assume they are not infected and potentially a pre-symptomatic and able to infect others. If you catch public transport and you live in Melbourne, this could be you. 

Sorry, I mis-spoke, asymptomatic and the level of risk of passing on the infection, is the point.

If someone coughs at you then you are at much higher risk.  If they're not coughing then you're at much lower risk.

I agree no one should assume they're not infectious, and in fact it was my motto in the first place: assume you're an undetected case, and assume the person next to you also is.

It's why things like choirs are so problematic because the normal safe social distance doesn't apply, same as shouting (sports watching) etc.

I posted a link on the other thread showing a study whereby just breathing, vs shouting or coughing, is far, far lower risk.

 

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lucky 2

If you wear a mask don't do what I've seen Costco staff do, they have to wear masks.

You wear a fabric mask but you grab the front of it when you speak to someone and put it up over your nose again. Repeat continually and use the same hand to touch anything and everything. Scary...

I have double layer cotton fabric masks ready to go when/If the advice changes, 3 for each of us. You can put a filter in between the layers.

I'm in Melbourne.

 

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Greatmum

I’m in Sydney tested negative no longer have symptoms but work say I have to wear a mask but can’t tell me what type? How can they say I have to when they can’t tell me what kind lol

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bubskitkat

Some people have been very creative with their masks.

i noted an old man wearing kids undies over his face.... 

yesterday a teenager girl had holes cut out of a sock which went around her ears main part of the sock covered her mouth.

paris Hilton well her masks are sparkling 

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FuzzyChocolateToes
3 hours ago, bubskitkat said:

Some people have been very creative with their masks.

i noted an old man wearing kids undies over his face.... 

Wish you had a photo for us!

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IamzFeralz

I would not be surprised if Melbourne mandates mask wearing too for public transport.

I had a woman sneeze in my face at the grocery shopping mall a couple of weeks ago and developed a mild cold but luckily I tested negative.  Of course I don’t know if it was actually her germs that made me sick but it probably would have helped if both of us were wearing masks at the time.  I have a cloth one but haven’t worn it for awhile as I am not in a hotspot area.

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Greatmum

Have to wear one at work as have a cold but can’t cause it just gigs up my glasses and I can’t see. Doesn’t everyone have this how did I get around it. I know they won’t b happy.  But what do I do?

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Lou-bags
47 minutes ago, Greatmum said:

Have to wear one at work as have a cold but can’t cause it just gigs up my glasses and I can’t see. Doesn’t everyone have this how did I get around it. I know they won’t b happy.  But what do I do?

I have read that taping the top of your mask to your face can help.

But perhaps also work on the fit a bit? I have to wear surgical masks at work reasonably often and I also sometimes wear glasses and have not experienced the fogging problem. Making sure to mold the wire topped part of the mask closely around your nose might help a bit?

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Greatmum
Posted (edited)

Thanks will try that 

have tried it this afternoon and that is much better if I really bend it right around nose. Thought there had to b some solution as lots of people must wear glasses that wear masks. 

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Jaffa donuts

I'm told you rub soap on your lenses. No idea if it works but I'm told this is how medical staff deal with it.

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can'tstayaway
43 minutes ago, Jaffa donuts said:

I'm told you rub soap on your lenses. No idea if it works but I'm told this is how medical staff deal with it.

What about that antifog stuff for snorkeling?

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