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ERipley

Has anyone been down this path? Did anyone think it might be APD but it turned out to be a hearing thing? And would APD be related in any way to an immature vestibular system?

 

Thanks in advance.

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born.a.girl

I'm not too sure what an immature vestibular system is, sorry, but we had little doubt that her hearing was excellent when we went down the Auditory Processing path.

 

In year nine she was operating at three years behind her age group, so had significant ramifications in the classroom.

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ERipley

I'm not too sure what an immature vestibular system is, sorry, but we had little doubt that her hearing was excellent when we went down the Auditory Processing path.

 

In year nine she was operating at three years behind her age group, so had significant ramifications in the classroom.

 

Thank you. So you had her hearing tested already?

 

I feel like it could go either way with my son at this point. He has some speech issues we’re trying to get to the bottom of. He’s only 5 so there’s still time for the whole system to develop.

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Druidmom

My DD10 has EVAS or Enlarged Vestibular Aqueduct Syndrome in her left ear. Because of this she has moderate hearing loss in that ear that will one day become completely deaf. I imagine anything occurring in the vestibular system can cause hearing loss.

Have they done a CT scan and hearing tests yet?

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CrankyM

Both my children have auditory processing "issues". It can seem like they have hearing loss, but it where they are not actually capable of processing what is being said and it is just like everything is background noise. Hearing has been tested multiple times. Multiple. At least once a year for the youngest. It hasn't officially being diagnosis as auditory processing disorder but they have other diagnosis (ADHD is very commonly associated with auditory processing issues. Both my kids have adhd and the oldest is autistic/dyslexia/dysgraphic and still has some oral dyspraxia issues). We just make sure it is in their school notes and that the teachers are aware that there are certain things that just won't work for my kids in the classroom (i.e. whole class spelling tests will not result in any form of accuracy.) The youngest has someone in his class with a hearing issue and they use a mic and we have discovered this has made a big difference in his ability to process auditory instruction.

 

Sorry I don't know anything about the vestibular part of your question.

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ERipley

Druid, He’s only 5 so apparently we have to wait until he’s 8 to test for APD. I’m trying to find someone to do the hearing test now.

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born.a.girl

Thank you. So you had her hearing tested already?

 

I feel like it could go either way with my son at this point. He has some speech issues we’re trying to get to the bottom of. He’s only 5 so there’s still time for the whole system to develop.

 

 

Our first testing was done in year four, by the psychologist, who suggested a speech therapy assessment (which was pointless and a waste of money).

 

When we had the one done in year nine, the audiologist first tested her hearing, before doing the audiology test, and said her hearing was excellent, which I hadn't really any doubt about.

 

She had zero speech issues, was articulate, spoke early etc. She spoke clearly because I'm fairly deaf, and I need people to speak to my face, and not mumble. She learned pretty quickly to do just that.

 

 

Yes, things can definitely happen quickly at five.

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Lallalla

A hearing test is definitely the first step. DD has glue ear and the ramifications on her hearing, language development and behaviour are distinct. I could tell when the grommets came out that her ears were blocking again before we saw the doctor and before her ear drums burst, again.

 

I don’t know much, if anything, about APD diagnosis, but the hearing test she did a few months ago (she is almost 5) was very straight forward and easy to get done - where are you located?

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ERipley

A hearing test is definitely the first step. DD has glue ear and the ramifications on her hearing, language development and behaviour are distinct. I could tell when the grommets came out that her ears were blocking again before we saw the doctor and before her ear drums burst, again.

 

I don’t know much, if anything, about APD diagnosis, but the hearing test she did a few months ago (she is almost 5) was very straight forward and easy to get done - where are you located?

 

We’re in Melbourne.

 

That’s wonderful that you figured out what was going on with your daughter. Do you mind telling me how it effected her speech and behaviour?

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ERipley

 

 

 

Our first testing was done in year four, by the psychologist, who suggested a speech therapy assessment (which was pointless and a waste of money).

 

When we had the one done in year nine, the audiologist first tested her hearing, before doing the audiology test, and said her hearing was excellent, which I hadn't really any doubt about.

 

She had zero speech issues, was articulate, spoke early etc. She spoke clearly because I'm fairly deaf, and I need people to speak to my face, and not mumble. She learned pretty quickly to do just that.

 

 

Yes, things can definitely happen quickly at five.

 

That’s really interesting that her speech is so good. My son’s speaking is noticeably a problem. It’s already getting better since he started school but he’s a long way behind other kids for speed and clarity when talking.

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Veritas Vinum Arte

Has your child had a hearing test in recent years?

 

DS2 basically spent his first 4 years hearing through water filled ears. Even with grommets at 2.11yrs he did not return a normal hearing test until after he was 4yrs.

 

That meant his speech sounded funny, especially his vowel sounds.

 

We still have to remind him to speak clearly and not mumble at 11yrs, as he lost a lot of confidence in his early years.

 

 

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qak

My kids both had their hearing tested at the children's hospital (Sydney). From memory you need a referral from the GP, and the appointment was a bit of a wait, but not ridiculous.

 

I think private audiologists avoid testing children, you would need to find a paediatric audiologist.

 

I'm surprised anyone would suggest any diagnosis without even having had a hearing test - who suggested an immature vestibular system?

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Veritas Vinum Arte

http://listeningworks.com.au/lwclinic.html

 

I can highly recommend Listening Works in Hawthorn for a hearing test plus they are super knowledgeable about APD.

 

ETA we did hearing tests without referral and (about years ago) the cost was $79.

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Jenflea

DD had a hearing test at age 2.5 or 3 (speech issues) without a referral needed.

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ERipley

Has your child had a hearing test in recent years?

 

DS2 basically spent his first 4 years hearing through water filled ears. Even with grommets at 2.11yrs he did not return a normal hearing test until after he was 4yrs.

 

That meant his speech sounded funny, especially his vowel sounds.

 

We still have to remind him to speak clearly and not mumble at 11yrs, as he lost a lot of confidence in his early years.

 

My son has never had his hearing tested. I’m really wishing we had at some point.

 

How was his speech funny? My son maybe makes odd vowel sounds now I think of it. He certainly speaks slower than other children and mumbles a lot or is too loud sometimes. He seems unable to pick the correct volume to address his speech to the correct people.

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ERipley

My kids both had their hearing tested at the children's hospital (Sydney). From memory you need a referral from the GP, and the appointment was a bit of a wait, but not ridiculous.

 

I think private audiologists avoid testing children, you would need to find a paediatric audiologist.

 

I'm surprised anyone would suggest any diagnosis without even having had a hearing test - who suggested an immature vestibular system?

 

To be honest, I’m amazed at how easily you can get a diagnosis for just about anything! I agree though, seems like hearing would be the first thing when there’s a speech issue. The only reason it even came up is because a friend suggested it. The speech pathologist wasn’t going to suggest it at all.

 

He is also seeing an OT for coordination issues which she thinks are due to an immature vestibular system. Seems to me like it could all be related?

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atthebeach

have you tried uni of melbourne audiology clinic?

neurosensory in moonee ponds was recommended to me, but i didn't end up booking a test there. i don't think there is any medicare rebate for an auditory processing test anymore.

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CrankyM

I’m really surprised he has never had his hearing tested. Especially if there are speech issues. Our speech therapist wouldn’t even see us until we had one done. Both kids were around 2. Youngest had severe glue ear to the point the audiologist cornered the ENT at the same clinic and he was put on the list for grommets literally the next day. He never had any signs of symptoms of ear infections and he’d adapted so he was mostly reading lips. His speech did sound kinda odd. Like he was talking under water. He was only 2 though. My oldest had his hearing test done before we started speech therapy. Because ours was done at the hospital clinic we just got a referral from the GP. There are other options though. You can get it done privately in most metropolitan cities and large towns (we live remote and rural hence going through the hospital).

 

Also our school nurse will do hearing screenings that pick up basic issues and then she will refer on if any issues are picked up. They checked the pressure in the ears with the machine (don’t know the technical name), look in the ear and test the basic frequencies). Maybe you guys have a similar program?

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Veritas Vinum Arte

Ironically I had studied 2/4 years of Speech Pathology years before at Uni. So had had classes on Phonetic and Linguistic development and disorders plus Audiology.

 

It was only as DS2 started talking more around 2.25yrs That I realised his speech sounded like speech does underwater.... ergo fluid filled ears and hearing loss. For most children grommets is an instant fix but not for Ds2.

 

We are still trying to get him out of the habit of how he misssaid early words which he developed when he had bad hearing.

 

DS2 is highly intelligent, most specialists who saw him would comment on how bright he was and how he had developed strategies to try and compensate for his hearing loss.

 

When he finally could hear, his Receptive language (understanding) went theough the roof (top 0.03% of population), but his expressive language was bottom 25%, so I had Speech Pathology report to show teachers that although he sounded like he was deficient in understanding (by listening to his speech patterns) he was actually the child who probably understood best.

 

 

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BusbyWilkes

http://listeningworks.com.au/lwclinic.html

 

I can highly recommend Listening Works in Hawthorn for a hearing test plus they are super knowledgeable about APD.

 

ETA we did hearing tests without referral and (about years ago) the cost was $79.

 

This. If you can afford it, go to a private clinic that is experienced in testing children. You don't need a referral. If not, get a GP referral for a hearing test that is publicly funded. You will wait longer for this, so definitely go private (about $100 - no rebate) if you can.

 

Is he seeing a speech pathologist for his delayed/unclear speech? They typically will want a hearing test completed before they start assessing and treating. Again, if he is at school and obviously delayed, he should see a speechie. There are private or public options, but please get his name put down. Is it only since he started school that you realised his speech is delayed?

 

APD can't be tested for until 7-8 years, so don't worry about that for now. That's because lots of children mature significantly in this area over the first few years of school.

 

I also work in this general area but am unaware of who would diagnose an immature vestibular system or why this would be suggested without very obvious causes (hearing) being assessed first. Did someone mention this to you or did you read about it?

 

It sounds like you're a little overwhelmed by it all. The first step is easy. Start the process so he can get his hearing checked. Good luck.

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Veritas Vinum Arte

Listening Works is at the Melbourne University Hawthorn Campus

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Veritas Vinum Arte

One other thing was DS2 was very susceptible to loud noises of particular frequency.

 

So screaming at vacuuming for much longer than his siblings did (by age), hated the roar of crowd at football, even singing happy birthday.

 

I remember my brother watching this and commenting that he remembers as a young child (often had ear infections and fluid in ears) that particular sounds like vacuuming caused extra pain.

 

As you mentioned ith your child getting the correct volume for speech was a problem.

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One other thing was DS2 was very susceptible to loud noises of particular frequency.

 

So screaming at vacuuming for much longer than his siblings did (by age), hated the roar of crowd at football, even singing happy birthday.

 

I remember my brother watching this and commenting that he remembers as a young child (often had ear infections and fluid in ears) that particular sounds like vacuuming caused extra pain.

 

As you mentioned ith your child getting the correct volume for speech was a problem.

 

Wow, this is sounding very familiar. My son used to get upset by some music. He reacts very strongly to sudden loud noises. My son has s history of ear infections too. I wonder how long this can last?

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Veritas Vinum Arte

CELF test is looking at receptive and expressive language.

 

It is not looking at clarity of speech and phonetics.

 

DS2 scored his high mark in receptive but lower on his expressive. Although 6m of intensive speech therapy took him from bottom 25% to bang on 50%.

 

 

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