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MooGuru

What's happening with the paid parental leave? I remember reading about how it was going to be cut back but never ended up g following it because it wasn't relevant to me. From memory changes often come into effect like 1st of January for some stuff like that.

 

As others have said - trends: up to probably 18 months ago most new babies I saw on FB seemed to have a newborn shot. Since then that number has been dropping pretty consistently. Maybe it's coincidence, less babies, or people do it for their first then not again but I've noticed a change recently.

Then there's the whole decluttering thing and I don't think portrait photography is a part of that kind of ideology like I can't see someone decluttering then getting more portrait photos done at the same time.

 

We had some pro photos done and they were a nightmare in a lot of respects. The irritations included:

-no digital copy

-lack of pricing information to the point of it feeling misleading

-the photos felt staged and unnatural

-I don't think the quality reflected the huge price

 

All of that would put me off using a pro photographer in future.

 

Oh and websites that are bad! I can't tell you how many photographers have uninformative websites!

 

If I visit your website I want to be able to find out:

- location/options of venue (do I have to come to you if so where are you)

- price

- what I get for that price

- good quality examples of your work that are realistically comparable to what I'll receive in terms of quality of finish.

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EmmDasher

Was the latest barefoot investor book released last September/October? It’s got huge traction in my social circle as does Marie Kondo, living clean/green/zero waste etc. I think the economy is a bit shaky at the moment and there is also an incredible trend to frugality/living minimally. I have the money for professional photography but it just isn’t on the agenda for me or people I generally socialize with. We’d rather spend the money on shared experiences rather than another photograph to chuck into the pile of thousands of digital images I struggle to collate as it is.

 

I have also noticed that our daycare and school photos as of last year weren’t just your average awful class shot. They had a short photo shoot with each child and got lots of really lovely ‘in action’ shots with each child. The shots were so good I spent up big on that context and I didn’t have to go to any effort to organize or manage the process. Obviously that doesn’t account for the newborn market but I do think that newborn shoots are a trend that has peaked. I don’t see newborn shots anymore, they’re birthing shoots or general family in action shoots once bub is older.

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EmmDasher

I guess the other thing that happened late last year is that the property markets in Syd/Melb really started tumbling. Young families who previously had no hope of buying may have finally had a shot into the property market and are now cash strapped. That’s purely speculation of course...

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schwatzen

My business is a 'non essential' business. I see this every few years when there's a lot of doom and gloom in the media. So even when people have the money to spend they prefer to keep it in their pocket until things start looking up again. People are easily influenced even if it doesn't affect them personally.

 

As for the OP's business the people i know who get newborn and kids photography done would get it regardless. It just seems to be a rite of passage in a way. It's something they would save for if they didn't have excess funds. I am thinking that birth rates dropping may have more of an effect on business? Do you keep records of new clients compared to repeat customers?

 

So many of my friends and people i network with who own their own business have been seeing a downturn in the last few months. I think it's totally to be expected and has been on the horizon for sometime now. When they announced house prices falling that sealed the deal.

 

Diversifying is one option, just riding it out is another.

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Caribou

We work closely with photographers.

 

To be honest the market is absolutely saturated with photographers. We get people who think think they are the next Anne Lebotiwz, and they are not. Because it’s so saturated with phographers, it’s very hard and time consuming to find a quality photographer.

 

Like Pps said diversifying is an option. I work with a photographer who very carefully avoided taking up work in wedding and portraits, knowing that everyone did them. Instead she spent a good year doing free shots and a lot of unpaid work building up her portfolio. But it paid off. It got her a job working as a photographer for well known fashion brands. Mind you she did have a second job to give income.

 

Am I spending less? Yes. I realise I have too much crap. And posed photos are just not my thing. Holiday memories are what line my walls.

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Literary Lemur

People are often very indecisive spending wise before an election.

 

To compound that a drop in house prices makes people feel less well off even if it makes no difference whatsoever on a day to day basis.

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Tessied

 

 

We had some pro photos done and they were a nightmare in a lot of respects. The irritations included:

-no digital copy

-lack of pricing information to the point of it feeling misleading

-the photos felt staged and unnatural

-I don't think the quality reflected the huge price

 

All of that would put me off using a pro photographer in future.

 

Oh and websites that are bad! I can't tell you how many photographers have uninformative websites!

 

If I visit your website I want to be able to find out:

- location/options of venue (do I have to come to you if so where are you)

- price

- what I get for that price

- good quality examples of your work that are realistically comparable to what I'll receive in terms of quality of finish.

 

 

Hey, just curious - If you wanted a digital copy or pricing stuff etc, why did you end up booking the photographer you did?

 

I think my website is pretty clear pricing wise, and it makes it easier for me not having to explain it to everyone.

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MooGuru

 

 

 

Hey, just curious - If you wanted a digital copy or pricing stuff etc, why did you end up booking the photographer you did?

 

I think my website is pretty clear pricing wise, and it makes it easier for me not having to explain it to everyone.

It was given to us as a present by someone who really loved the service.

 

Eta:

Sorry I'll try to make that slightly more informative. We were given a gift voucher of several hundred dollars towards a photo shoot whilst DS was sick.

The photographer had no pricing info anywhere and wouldn't give us a ball park figure because it's an "experience" to go through the photos in the studio and select the ones you want then decide what format etc. This was already problematic for us due to circumstance but when photographer moved far away (think like from Melbourne to Brisbane style move) they kept the same policy of having to do an experience to select photos because they don't provide electronic copies.

It was an incredibly generous gift that we appreciated but we ended up paying more than we did for our wedding photos for 6 photos because we were sitting in a room looking at a photo shoot of our now deceased child being told essentially buy today or never see these photos again because we were unlikely to visit that city again.

 

Interestingly the people who gifted it aren't high income earners - they haven't said how much they spend but they'd used the service several times and a part of me wonders whether the photographer alters the price depending on what they think they can get from the people sitting there on the day.

 

Edited again to add: I may not have found it as confronting/frustrating had the circumstances been different.

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Tessied

It was given to us as a present by someone who really loved the service.

 

Eta:

Sorry I'll try to make that slightly more informative. We were given a gift voucher of several hundred dollars towards a photo shoot whilst DS was sick.

The photographer had no pricing info anywhere and wouldn't give us a ball park figure because it's an "experience" to go through the photos in the studio and select the ones you want then decide what format etc. This was already problematic for us due to circumstance but when photographer moved far away (think like from Melbourne to Brisbane style move) they kept the same policy of having to do an experience to select photos because they don't provide electronic copies.

It was an incredibly generous gift that we appreciated but we ended up paying more than we did for our wedding photos for 6 photos because we were sitting in a room looking at a photo shoot of our now deceased child being told essentially buy today or never see these photos again because we were unlikely to visit that city again.

 

Interestingly the people who gifted it aren't high income earners - they haven't said how much they spend but they'd used the service several times and a part of me wonders whether the photographer alters the price depending on what they think they can get from the people sitting there on the day.

 

Edited again to add: I may not have found it as confronting/frustrating had the circumstances been different.

 

That's really horrible, I'm so sorry.

 

Many of us believe that it is THOSE photographers who damage the industry much more than the cheapie, $50 for a zillion photos type, as they create such a mistrust between public and photographer.

 

My pricing is pretty clear for eg (4 packages to choose from, you pay XXX towards a package on the day then pay the balance once you see them and choose). Yet I till get people triple checking I don't have other charges on TOP of that. Most likely because of that kind that you encountered.

 

One of the big no no's in our industry is not providing pricing before booking, so what they have done is definitely not the accepted standard and is just an a**hole move.

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