Hi All

i forgot all about this show last night and wanted to watch it does anyone know how I find out if / when it's being replayed please?
Thanks

Is it available here: http://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/

I can't check as it is blocked at work.

I saw the ad and it was enough to put me off - they look like very clean-cut bikers and molls to me, fashionably tousled hair and clean, straight teeth (not eaten away by meth!).

Ahh thanks for that I never gave yahoo a thought I will check it out

I watched it last night and thought it was a nice change to the usual crap on Australian TV at the moment.

There should be an encore of it, most of the free to air channels will show repeats of a show again sometime during the week on one of their other channels. I know prime does a lot.

To a PP its not a doco so of course they're going to be cleaner cut then the stereotyped people you listed in your post

Well it is based on true events and this is how bikers presented back in those times. I have read books and seen photos of the players involved and they in no way look like the characters portrayed in the ads. Granted they are actors so they can only go so far in modifying their appearance.

As for the stereotypes, according to the media, apparently the new order of bikies are very young, clean-cut well-dressed men of Middle-Eastern appearance without motorbikes .

Actually, apparently a lot of 'biker gangs' in some areas are made up of Middle Eastern youths who are rebelling but still fear their mama enough not to actually get on a bike ...

A lawyer friend of mine is boycotting it because the glorification of it is going to exacerbate the already untenable situation regarding Biker Gangs in SA.

I didn't even know the show existed!

Yeah i read about that. Its interesting isn't it how much "bikie gang" Stereotypes have changed over the years. I was surprised to hear that most of them don't even ride a bike.

I didn't know you could even get in without a bike or that some clubs bought you a bike which you had to return when you left. It may be a case of bikie clubs pandering, or trying to break into, already established networks in certain areas of activity (I won' specify what, exactly).

I knew someone (about 10 years ago) who had a small business and that was enough to get him in. He still drove his car around and i don't even think he ever got a bike. I also know someone else who started out in another club but didn't have a bike, he used to just go there and drink and pick up the girls i think (well that's what he told us lol). Then eventually he got himself a bike and now rides with them all and is very much in with the group.

I guess the city clubs are a lot different to the smaller country or regional chapters i dont know The ones around here don't seem to be that bad.

According to the facebook page, there will be an encore on saturday night at 9.30pm

I watched that show last night and could not stop laughing at the fake beards and long hair, the denim cut offs.....not a black leather jacket to be seen in the whole show. The actors are just so far removed from what they were really like in 1984. It might have been ok if it was not supposed to be portraying real people and real events but it isn't meant to be fiction and the reality of it was not funny. I just wish that the producers had done some homework and tried to portray it like it really was at that time.

As for the doco that was on beforehand and the Nike Bikies, they are not bikers, they don't ride bikes.

FWIW, I was actually at the Viking Tavern that day, standing about 10 metres away from the young girl that was killed. So far, from what I have seen of the show, it feels as though they have trivialised the event and the people involved.

wow I just stumbled across this....
check it out...

Leanne Walters mystery

The woman that has that web page is a total raving lunatic. According to her, the Milperra Massacre didn't happen, Leanne Walters death was faked and the entire law enforcement and justice system has a vendetta against her, not to mention the medical profession implanting her with some sort of monitoring device. Very sad, if you read the horrid things she says about the Walters family. She has numerous websites, all making slanderous statements against the entire Walters family. The poor girl has been dead for 28 years, it DID really happen and the book is a fairly accurate description of what happened. Amazing what you can spread all over the internet and get away with.

clean cut? ive never seen a more hideous mullet in my life than the one one of the guys had last night.

jock ross is much more attractive in the show than in reality though that's for sure.

Haha...my dh took one look at the add and said, " oh god, it's Sons of Underbelly". Lol

Yes, just like Underbelly - can you believe the Australian Film Finance Company, which is at least partly funded by the Australian government, funds these productions. I thought there was a law against profiting from crime and here is our own government throwing money at it.

What a pile of rubbish this was tonight.

Of course the actors are more clean cut than the bikies were back in the 80s. It's a drama series based on the events, not a documentary detailing the actual historical event. Anyone who watches this type of show (including all the underbelly series) and expects it to be completely accurate, free of exaggeration and embellishments needs their head checked.



Not all bikie gangs run on violence and crime. My parents were full members of a gang in the 80s (not a well-known one, but i still wont mention the name) and as far as i can remember (i was 8 or so when we moved state and left the gang) and have heard in memories from my parents and siblings, there was a lot of crazy week-long parties, bike rallies every weekend for months on end, a fair bit of pot smoked and bourbon drank, lots of topless girls dancing, but no loyalty wars or organized crime of any kind.

The "gang" your parents were in would not have been an outlaw club if they were both full members. Women were not allowed to be members of the clubs under any circumstances. They were just the "ol' ladies" of the members and many actually wore jackets with the words "property of" and then the name of the member they were with.

Week long parties, bike runs, bike shows etc. were the norm back then and a lot of fun. Outlaw clubs would all come together and anyone else that rode a bike and wanted to go, would all be in attendance with out any dramas for the most part. People took their kids to bike shows and swap meets and didn't have any fear that something bad could possibly happen. I think that was the reason that Milperra came as such a shock to everyone.

While it isn't a documentary, it was a real life event that is actually using the real names of the people involved. After hearing the thoughts of some family members, it is quite distressing for them to have things portrayed in the way they have been. It would have been better to do a fictional drama, perhaps loosely based on the event, rather than a show that portrays them in such a comical way.

Guess what? Not all bike gangs had the same stock standard set of rules. Not all outlaw bike gangs were the same, by their very definition. They call themselves outlaws because they make their own rules, they reject the laws of the AMA, and pursue a lifestyle of freedom.

My mum still has her patched jacket, which has her colours and the one percenter patch among others, so you can discredit what i say all you like, but you dont know everything about every gang.

I've never heard of this massacre. How is it being portrayed incorrectly? Just so I can view the tv show with different eyes?

Wow, that was definitley the ramblings of a crazy lady. What the????

I enjoy the show I'm not looking to learn about the gangs or any real facts, and have no connections to the facts so can't be offended my inaccurate portrayals.

The funny thing is that they did pretty much have the same stock standard set of rules. Of course there were differences but the outlaw clubs of the 70's and 80's had many rules in common. Including the fact that women were never allowed to be members, they all rode Harley Davidsons (although some did own British bikes as well ie. Triumphs, BSA's etc.) Japanese bikes were totally off limits and if you left the club you had your colours taken from you. The colours were owned by the club, not the person. They also identified as a club and a brotherhood, never a gang.

I am not in any way trying to discredit you or what your parents told you but if in fact your mum was a club member and on top of that allowed to keep her colours when she left, then that was a very progressive club and an exception to the rule. Other clubs existed that did allow women and membership was open to anyone. In fact the club that held the swap meet at the Viking Tavern on the day of the massacre , the British Motorcyle Riders Club was one such club but it was definitely not an outlaw club. As far as rejecting the laws of the AMA, well I am not sure what you mean by that. If you meant the MRA or the AMC, well neither of those bodies have any laws to be rejected. The laws that one percenters rejected were the laws of society and government.



To me, the show so far has almost been comedic. The actors are almost portrayed as caricatures of the real people. I'll be the first to admit that it is quite emotional for me to see it portrayed that way because the reality was horrific and terrifying. I am just really bothered that when they get to the episode of the event it will still be portrayed that way. If you really do want to know more about it, a quick google brings up a page that shows the reality of it with very brief footage a news report taken on the day. I warn you that the page contains very, very graphic pictures and definitely not for the faint hearted.

Well I gather the massacre episode airs tonight. I would love to hear from those who have past experience with clubs and remember that day if the tv depiction is how you all remember it.

Cerridwen, I took a look at that page you suggested. It has been the most factual and realistic take on the events of the day. Thanks for sharing

yep. Tonights episode is the actual massacre. I am going to watch it (how could I not?) and it is going to be interesting to see if it is anything like it really was. My guess is that it won't be. I am sure they will have the place swarming with police, when in reality the police never came near the place till it was well and truly over. I will post my views after tonights episode.

Dp grew up two blocks from the Viking heard the shots and knew people who were there on the day.

She has no real wish to remember the day .

We'rte watching it tonight mainly because DH and I both lived in the area as kids and still do now (and I work one street away), we often go to what was the Viking for a meal (now a very family friendly and quite classy place) - my cousin was in Bankstown Hospital the day it happened and she and the other patients were locked in their rooms while the shooting victims were being brought in and treated. I was quite young so not sure how close the show is to what really happened.

I was there but was just a kid, don't remember how it went down so can't comment.

I can't imagine it being too close to the actual way it happened. They need to funk it up to make good viewing.

Then maybe you were not around in the days of the clubs in the 60's and 70's, where Harleys were the exception and not the norm as you claim.
A lot of the clubs in Melbourne were predominently Japanese bikes as they were more reliable and cheaper than others.

There were female club members who didn't wear the "property of " patch, but wore a patch in their own right.

I have missed the last show - off to see if I can find it online!

And maybe I was around.....lol

If you read my post correctly, I am referring to OUTLAW clubs, which is what clubs such as the Comancheros. Bandidos, Hells Angels etc etc are. There are many types of motorcycle clubs and yes, you are correct when you say that in the 60's and 70's there were female members of some of these clubs, just as there is today but they were NOT OMC's. Just as there were clubs that rode all kinds of bikes, including Japanese bikes. There were probably more of these clubs than OMC's which again, is what I am referring to. The clubs in the 60's and 70's that you are referring to were modeled on the UK Rockers movement, who rode modified British, European and Japanese bikes (which they called cafe racers). They were thought of as gangs but they were not OMC's. The OMC's of the 60's, 70's and 80's have their origins in America, which began after WW2 and did not ride anything but American bikes and did not allow women members.

You appear to have changed your story by referring to outlaw clubs, you stated that no bikie club admitted women as members and you also said that Jap bikes were a no-no.
By those words, it shows you were either not there and were relating something which was related to you by a relative or friend, or you have an onset of Altzheimers Disease.
True the outlaw clubs originated in the USA following the end of WW2 and some of them rode Harleys or Indians, a lot of the others rode English bikes, they rode whatever bike they could afford.
Also, the Australian bikie movement, did not model themselves on the UK Mods and Rockers, that movement did not start till half way through the 1960's and did not really take off in Australia.
The "cafe racers" you refer to, did not come into being till the mid 1970's.
maybe you do not think of the Australian bikie clubs of the 1960's 1970's as gangs, but the police certainly did and in the late 1960's, branded them as Outlaw Bikie Gangs.
The outlaw bikie clubs in Australia were pretty much unheard of by the general public, till the mid 1970's but there were a lot of clubs which by todays standards, would have been put into the outlaw group and I will add here, that one of the biggest of those clubs, and the most eligible to be called an outlaw club, had a fully fledged female member and she went back to the 1960's.
Almost everyone in the 1960's, rode English bikes because of the lack of funds and the unavailability of Harleys and Indians, then the Japanese bikes hit the road with better reliability and a lot faster.
But, getting back to the original post, I watched the first episode and saw how realistic it was, one poster said that the actors did not look real,
Well, surprize, surprize, surprize....
It is a movie, with "ACTORS"
Watch Stone, that had real bikies in it
Watch Mad Max, you will see real bikies in it.
Brothers In Arms is close to the truth

What did everyone think of the final episode? We had that bloody earthquake not long after it started, so I got distracted. Lucky I recorded it, will rewatch with DH in the next few days. Just want to know if it is worth it?

Yes it's worth the watch

Have you found it? I missed it as well.

Yeah I actually thought it was really well done. I thought they wrapped it up really well.

DF was actually disappointed it ended, he wants another show LOL

If you have an iPad you can purchase episodes from iTunes.

Thanks for the responses. Can't wait to be able tp actually focus on it now!