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Hi Ladies

Not much to report here. The girls were horrid this morning due to being sooo tired. Then Miss D did a poo in the BATH! Not impressed I tell you!

Beth~ My girls are up at 5am, so 6am isn't too early. I give them some breakfast, change their clothes & we head off. Had a nice time today & it's lovely at that time of day.

Maree~ Your day out sounds like heaps of fun. Our girls have never been on a bus or train (a bit sad really). Good luck with the TT & ask away if you have any questions (although I'm no expert as my DD did a poo in the bath today :mad:

Belinda

Hi everyone. I've been away a while and so much to catch up on!

Thanks Belinda, I am feeling better but only just. We've all had a horrible fluey thing that has taken ages to recover from. The worst has been coughing all night. Plus, Ella and grace have been waking up at night a lot lately and so we've been very tired.

And for Ella and Grace that has made them cranky!! They did manage to do a day sleep a couple of days in a row though for the first time in months and months and it was like having different children! They were SO much happier!

The main thing with us at the moment seems to be that the girls are completely sick of each other. I think we'd better focus on taking them out separately a bit more. Ella came out with DH and I while the ILs were staying recently and she LOVED it. Of course we came home to Gracie asking why we'd gone without her, but she did say she didn't want to come! E and G had the saddest conversation yesterday morning in the car. Ella said "I don't like my sister" (which she's been saying a lot lately ) and Gracie said "why don't you like me Ella?" in this really sad voice. Even knowing that Ella does, usually liek gracie it was HORRIBLE to hear

I've been very distracted from my PhD at the moment thinking about what happens next. If only I could get the phd written then I might be able to move onto whatever's next...!

I have to take the girls to get their haircut next week and am wondering whether to get one cut shorter than the other. What do you think? Has anyone done this? I just thought it might be good to have something for others to distinguish them by??? But I still want to be able to put their hair up...

Nee I'm glad you had a good birthday. Some retail therapy sounds wonderful. And I'm glad you told that woman how rude she was being! How dreadful.

well, I'd better do some work before I have to head back home to the girls. Anyone feel like writing a chapter for me? I know everyone has LOTS of time on their hands

oh, finally, can someone tell me how to put a photo in my signature? does the photo have to be elsewhere on the net? I read the directions Kate got but am at a stage behind that. I dont' even know what a photobucket is :0

cheers,
Kate.

Hi girls,

The kids are almost back to normal now. I think in 2-3 days now they will be completely recovered from their ear infections/colds. We had a friend over today with her 3 year old son and they all played together so nicely, it was nice to watch. My computer is in the process of "dying" which is driving me crazy, so we are finally upgrading and I'm getting a laptop, and I'll finally have broadband! I can't wait!

BB - Ewwwwwwwwwwwww a poo in the bath!! Touch wood, we haven't had one of those for a very long time!!

Kate - Oh you poor thing, it's so hard when you get woken up a few times overnight, especially when you're sick! We started "one on one" time with the kids about 6 months ago now, they take it in turns going down the street with one of us, and they love it! Now, to get a photo in your signature, you need to "host" your signature at an image hosting site. I use photobucket which is www.photobucket.com then you just need to become a member with them (it's free) and you can upload your photos from you computer to the site. Once you've done this, underneath the photo there is img coding which you just copy and paste into your "preferences" and it will show up in your signature. Give that a go and if you have trouble pm me and I'll try and help you out.

Nicolie - DFO stands for Direct Factory Outlet. It is like a shopping centre (I guess you could say) that has just opened up near Essendon Airport and it is all brand name places with all their goods at warehouse prices. There are some fantastic bargains! There is a DFO over at Moorabbin airport aswell, but I've never been there.



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This message was edited by Nee on Tuesday, 25 October 2005 @ 5:02 PM

Hi all, hope everyone (kids included) are getting over all the winter germies

BB - gotta love those floaties! Its such a joy trying to fish it and the other kids out of the bath in a hurry isn't it?

Kate - Oh, that's a bit sad about your girls getting to each other at the moment. I'm sure its just one of those "sister" things. Ever notice how the person you love the most, is the one who is able to irritate you the most too? I often wonder what life will be like when we have 2 teenage girls in the house :gasp: How about I swap you a chapter of your phd for the report I was supposed to write at work today? Not that I know anything about literature but, hey, I'll give it a bash The report is sooo boring, I had to pack it in for the day it was doing my head in.

Nee - thanks for the heads up on DFO! I was in the middle of something when I suddenly thought "Ooooh Factory Outlet", but the D part was really bugging me! We have something similar here. Not as good as the outlets I've been to in Melbourne, but getting there. Speaking of which, I must get myself there soon. I have nothing to wear!! ;p

Not much to report here. The weather in Perth can't make up its mind at the moment. Beautiful one day, horrid the next. I'll try and think of something interesting for the next post...

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Paige & Hannah

Hi Ladies

Looks like we have another trip to the DR today. Danika came in at just before 5am saying her ear is sore . They are supposed to go to childcare, but I'll have to take her to the DR. I was supposed to work today too, (going over a shoot with DH for an upcoming wedding I am doing). Might have to get my MIL over to have the girls so we can still do that. Danika only had a very bad ear infection just over 2 weeks ago where her eardrum almost burst, so I want to get onto this A.S.A.P. Kateleigh seems OK, but she wouldn't cope going to childcare without Danika. It's hard enough to leave her when Danika IS there LOL.

Kate~ Glad you are feeling better. Sorry, but I don't think I would be ANY help with your PHD! I don't know how you do it to be honest. Regarding the haircut, a few months ago we made the decision to have Danika's haircut shorter than K's. I still wanted to be able to put it up too. It wasn't a huge difference, but enough to notice. Kateleigh's hair is now a fair bit longer. Danika seems to have less hair & it's not as thick as K's either. My girls are ID but at times they look totally different. Do you find this too?

Nee~ Glad the kids are on the mend! You LOVE broad brand! It's the best thing we EVER did. It's my only thing that I have for "me" & I love being able to get on & off throughout the day.

Nicolie~ The weather in Perth sounds like QLD at the moment! On min it's pouring rain & thundering the next the sun is out & it's hot again.

Belinda

Belinda- hope all went well at the doctor. Does Danika have an ear infection?

Nee- glad to hear your kids are getting better. That's great news about you getting a new laptop and broadband. I love broadband!

Kate- it breaks your heart when they say things like that to each other doesn't it? It's definitely not just your girls- my boys will say things like that from time to time too. I think go for it with the haircuts- if you don't like it you could always get them cut the same next time.

Nicolie- ditto the weather here in Melbourne! Enough already... bring on summer.

Us- well the kids are generally pretty well but I've come down with a head cold. I found my son Michael incredibly hard to deal with today. He was hyper, rough, destructive and just basically very exhausting. He had to sit on the time out chair three times this evening. I'm just pleased that I managed to deal with him without losing my temper- which is really hard as he pushes all my buttons and it was just me at home with the kids. I kept looking at the clock and counting the minutes until bedtime and peace. He's asleep now and of course looks angelic!
Well I'm going to go and lay on the couch with tissues at the ready- I wish my nose would stop running! Hopefully it's a mild cold and I'm feeling stronger tomorrow.

Maycee (36)
DH (34)
Twin boys (4/12/01)
DD (7/10/03)

Oh girls, I had an incident last night with my trio/terrors!! I had been changing Aimee's nappy and came out to discover the kids had climbed up on to the table and taken every single piece of fruit out of the basket and thrown it around the room. There was bits of apple and banana all over the floors and walls. I was VERY angry!

Maycee - I hope you get better soon.

Oh Nee, Yuk! Sounds like one of those - you've gotta laugh or you'd cry moments! A few months ago I went to get an apple out of our fruit bowl and discovered every single one had a perfectly shaped toddler bite out of it! Ratbags...

Maycee - hope you are feeling better

Belinda - How is Danika?

OK, now I have a new "issue" requiring input. The night before last Paige woke up at 1am - no problem, I calmed her down and tucked her back in, took all of a minute. Hannah woke up in the process so I tucked her back in and left the room. Normally this would not be a problem. However...(sigh) Hannah then decides she does not want to be left and proceeds to scream the house down for 2 HOURS!! :mad: Eventually DH went in and sat next to her cot until she calmed down and dozed off. Of course, this means that none of us got any sleep including poor Paige who is in the same room. They slept in until 8.30am and I let them. I put them down for a nap at 1.00pm and had to wake them at 4.30pm as they still weren't up - they were sooo tired. So, moving to last night... Bed at 7pm as usual. Hannah protested (I guessed because she had only been up from her nap for 2.5hrs) but settled. At 10pm I hear grizzling, and then "Uh oh Mummy" over and over. I go in to check and Hannah is wide awake and naked! I get her up to re-dress her and she is giggling and carrying on like its great fun - then she tries to wake Paige up to play :gasp: So, I sit with her on the couch and have a little quiet time and tell her its time to go back to bed. As soon as I say that she starts with "NO!". I ignore her and put her to bed anyway...then the screaming starts again... By this stage I don't want Paige to have another sleepless night so I cave and sit in the room until Hannah dozes off at 11.00pm and then crawl out on all fours just in case she spots me!

Today I woke Hannah at 7.30am and I am going to get them up from their nap shortly as I don't want her to get into a night owl routine but that's all I can think of to do. If it happens again tonight do I move Paige out of the room for a while and just let Hannah scream her head off until she gets it? (thereby depriving DH and I of our sleep too) They're not babies anymore so controlled crying (or whatever they are calling it these days) doesn't seem appropriate, but I don't think she's ready for some kind of "reward" program (ie star chart and the like) for staying in bed all night just yet.

I have never had this problem with either them before, they are great sleepers (at night anyway). Somebody help me....!

If you have any spare, send some sleeping through the night vibes West would you? I had forgotten what sleep deprivation was like...now I remember - it sucks!

Sorry to be cranky!

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Paige & Hannah

Nicolie-I think they catch on really quickly at this age what works and what doesnt (ie if I cry/tantrum mum will stay up with me-theyre really smart cause there's no way you want everyone up at that hour)....I know what works for us but Im not sure everyone would agree with our methods! (ie one warning for no clothes then next time a smack-works every time for us for things like that)

We had a 'win' of sorts tonight. Joel and Cam are great at eating their meals until they get to the veges....then its 'need help'...cant do it....tonight (we get sick and tired of spoon feeding them at this age!) we said at the start of dinner..whoever can eat all their dinner without any help and without mucking about will get a sticker......well I think they almost got indegestion from gobbling down everything so fast.....it actually shaved 1/2 hour off our meal time!

Should have remembered how well the stickers and stamps worked for toilet training...anyway hopefully we're onto something here!

Caz Cam and Joel at 3yr 4months

sorry double post-just wanted to show off our new photo!

Caz Cam and Joel at 3yr 4months


This message was edited by cmf on Thursday, 27 October 2005 @ 8:45 PM

Well Nicolie, I know this won't be a help, but I think it might be the name "Hannah" - because mine is exactly the same! How pathetic is it that we have to crawl out of their room on all fours just because WE are desperate for some sleep!
Sorry I don't really have any helpful hints, but I can just hear the community nurses (without twins?) saying it is best to just let them cry and to not give in, - but that is so hard when we know the consequences of the 2nd twin waking. They do seem to learn quick though what will win you over. I guess one thing to do is just keep Hannah in her normal routine (including waking her from a day sleep if necessary) in the hope that she slips back into the routine.
Sorry I don't have any great advice.

We have started toilet training of sorts this week (you girls have got me more motivated). I am so thankful that even though Noah normally copies everything Hannah does, he hasn't figured out that Hannah isn't wearing a nappy. He is a long way off having any idea about toilet training I think. We haven't had any great success, but she seems to have a vague concept of being wet and going to the potty (just hasn't figured out that going before wetting is the idea LOL).

Caz - I just love the photo - hope mine will one day pose for a great photo like your boys.




Leonie
DH Phil
DD Hannah (10.6.03)
DS Noah (10.6.03)

Nicolie ~ Sounds like HELL at your place atm. But rest assured we have been through similar experiences. Last year K developed a huge fear of balloons & then started affecting her sleep & then wanted me to sit with her to sleep. The first night was OK, the next time I was up at least 5 times & as soon as I got off the bed she would cry. I rang a parenting help line, as I was so desperate. It was VERY tough. She stood & kicked & screamed & screamed for an hour & a half cos I refused to lay on the bed with her. That night she did better & the next night better still. It was very hard making her feel we didn't care about the kicking & screaming. We removed her from the room & told her she couldn't stay b/c she was keeping Danika awake. My girls HATE having the door shut, so we often threaten that! We still separate the girls almost every bedtime; if we don't, they muck around for at least an hour. I also get them (mostly Danika) taking ALL their clothes off. Nothing I have tried has been able to stop this, no amount of yelling or smacking. I try to ignore it now & then redress her before I go to bed. I guess all I can suggest is separation, putting them to bed in the day a little earlier & separating. When she's screaming for you tell her about twice that you ARE there, but you are not going into her etc. Try to avoid eye contact & "talking" through the door (this gives attention). It's a hard one, but you need to do this for your own sanity. It will get better. Keep us posted.

Caz~ I hear you on the veg front! K is terrible. She is so strong willed that she will watch us eat a Freddo frog (something that she LOVES) & acts like she doesn't care less. I know there is no way she would eat it for a reward of a stamp or stickers. Glad it works for your boys.

Nee~ Have you calmed down about the "fruit incident"? I would have been so mad too! Don't you just love what they manage to do when we are busy?


My little Danika is doing OK. The DR said her ear was slightly red, but her tonsils & glands were all swollen so yet another lot of antibiotics for her.

They were both up at 4:45 again today so we went for an early walk again. Also took them to the pool this afternoon & that went well. To those with just turned 2 year olds, the difference of 6 mths is huge. I let them walk in & out etc without fear of them jumping in or running in different directions. Both have developed a "good fear" of the water. They soon realized today they couldn't just let go or jump in (which they did last summer). Felt a bit bad, as they have never had swimming lessons (not possible with 2 at once) & we also can't afford it. There was another little girl about their age swimming & mine couldn't get why she could swim & they couldn't.

Walked over to the butcher to buy some meat for dinner. Kateleigh went into the curb & I was telling her to get back onto the footpath when she fell on the storm grate. Her legs went through the holes & I truly freaked, but she was OK & not really hurt.

A few cute moments today Danika was in the toilet & she said to me "Mummy, I love Kateleigh". Another one, we were at the park & Danika had her dolly. She lifted up her shirt & put the doll to her chest & she told me "I'm feeding my baby". Just some priceless moments.

Sorry for another VERY long post!

Belinda

Well sounds like everyone's been busy as usual...


Nicolie-I have had my girls in separate rooms since about 3 months or so. And it's really saved my peace of mind. If you have the space i'd separate them. Olivia has alot of food allergies and only started sleeping through at 22 months whereas Amber has slept through from around 7 months or so. I mainly did it so that Amber could sleep and I could do controlled crying with Olivia.

I really like that they can have their own space as they are together all the time. I still have to do controlled crying with Olivia on occasion and at 29 months it still works(my husband tries to sabotage it as he hates letting her cry). Whatever you do just BE FIRM the little monkeys take advantage of any weakness.

Katemitch- We have just started taking the girls out separately as they seemed to be bothering each other quite a bit. They are getting on much better.DH took O in the pool on the weekend and I went out for coffee with A. She sat across from me and kept leaning over and giving me kisses then came and sat beside me to say love you mummy.. It was so cute. Could not get her to drink a milkshake for love nor money. i thought she'd jump at the chance as I dont let them have junky stuff.

Belinda- Yes swimming is expensive we've been going since we moved up here. I have seen a couple of books on teaching your kids to swim. Lots of pics and advice. We were going to stop it a few weeks ago as we really cant afford it but i got rid of nappies instead. We go sat mornings as it's one on one but once they turn three I get to be like the " normal" mums and sit poolside with a coffee while they swim with the teacher.

We drove past our old house(we rented when we 1st moved here) this morning and Livi said " There's our old house" i said yes it is. "We're in Melbourne now" said Liv. Out of the mouths of babes if only cairns and melb were a 10 minute drive away!

Hope you all have a good weekend with the kids...
Rebecca

Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Hi girls,

I think that my three are starting to try and drop their nap. I think I'll go nuts if they don't have a day sleep! The girls are still doing really well with their toileting. In the last two days, Joshy has been asking to sit on the toilet but not doing anything. This morning I decided to try him in training pants, but it ended up in a puddle on the floor so I'll wait for a while longer I think.

Nicolie - I was so gobsmacked at the whole fruitasket incident. DH said we should move the basket, but I said they have to learn! Wow, bit marks out of every single apple sounds like ermmmm fun!! One of my friends told me that I should have made them eat all the fruit they ruined, but there was so much they would have made themselves sick! Sending you lots of night vibes. Not the input that you want, but I giggled at the image of you crawling out on all fours, I have done that before too. If you have the space I guess you could separate?

Caz - Ohhhhhhhh sticker rewards for dinner!!! Guess what I'm going to be trying tonight!!!

Leonie - Good luck with tt'ing!!

BB - You are putting me to shame with your early morning walking. Although I imagine you are wishing that you were still sleeping at that hour rather than walking!

Rebecca - I would love to do swimming with my trio, but enlisting the help of two other adults, (or three really because someone would need to watch Aimee) sounds just too much like hard work. :s

I hope you all enjoy your weekend!

Belinda-we took the boys swimming today too. DH commented that they were the only kids in the pool who had floaties on cause they cant swim....I said to him (ours havent had lessons for the same reasons as you plus needing 2 adults per lesson) 'if you went to a multiples swimming class I bet most of them wouldnt be able to swim either!' We took their floaties off (arm bands) when they were in the toddler pool and they both tried to float but TOTALLY sunk to the bottom-also forgot to close their mouths!

Nee-we had success with the stickers agian tonight-hope it works for you.



Caz Cam and Joel at 3yr 4months

Hi all

Just a quick hello tonight as DH and I about to warm up the DVD player (with something other than Wiggles!) and break out the chockies...

Just wanted to say thanks for all the sleepy vibes and advice. At bed time last night Hannah was revved up again and kept shaking her head and saying "No sleep", put her to bed usual, she had a protest scream for about 2 mins and that was the last I heard from her all night! I had the portacot set up in our room in case I needed to move Paige out but fortunately it was not required. So far so good tonight too... Hopefully it was just a phase. We really don't have the room to seperate them - I'd like to keep our spare room for when the ILs come over to visit from Sydney (or for if we ever get brave enough to TTC for #3... )

Will pop in on the weekend for a proper chat.

Thanks again!

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03) who are sleeping peacefully like proper little angels

Paige & Hannah

Hi all

Reading your posts about swimming has made me want to confess - our girls have NEVER been swimming. I am a terrible mother!! LOL. And to think I was a competitive swimmer who spent most of my childhood in the pool and sea. It has just always seemed like such hard work and we live in Wellington, NZ, which, while it is a fabulous city, is not exactly a tropical paradise. Do I have enough excuses??

Anyway we decided that this summer is the summer for swimming/waterbabies lessons . We have to have an adult each with the girls, apparently, so only weekends were possible when DH is home. The only classes they had this term were at 8.30 on a Saturday morning. I don't think so!! So our plan now is to take them "paddling" and see how we go.

Actually I did try them in the paddling pool last summer in the backyard. They completely freaked out the couple of times I tried and it ended up being Mummy in the pool with two hysterical girls standing next to the pool crying - fun, fun, fun.

I've just bought them some swimsuits (togs, bathers, swimmers - depends where you come from) - so will keep you updated.

Take care



Maree

Eleanor 1/8/03
Harriet 1/8/03

This message was edited by nakigirl on Saturday, 29 October 2005 @ 12:25 PM

Hi girls, gosh we're all very busy aren't we. I love reading all the posts about what everyone is up to.

Nee- all your trio on the table throwing fruit!?! It sounds funny but I'm sure it wasn't at the time. I do all Sophie's nappy changes (on a mat up a table) out in the living area with my boys as when they were younger I would only have to leave them for a few moments and they were up to something creative! Of course I still have to leave them when I put her to bed or go to the loo or whatever so they still have plenty of opportunities for unsupervised mischief! But it used to take me longer to take her up to her room... change her nappy, then put her to bed so at least this way I don't leave them for long.

Caz- I just love the pic!

Thanks for asking about my cold- I'm on antibiotics now and feeling better. Poor Patrick got my cold and it made his asthma bad- we rushed him to the doctor and he used the nebuliser (a machine which allows him to breathe in medication to relieve his asthma). He was pretty bad and it was very scary. We had to hire a nebuliser and he's on cortisone medication and now a preventative puffer. They thought he'd probably need to go to hospital but thankfully we seem to have got it under control. Oops- duty calls- gotta go! Sorry I haven't written a message for everyone- will try next time.
Hope you're all having a good weekend, Maycee

Maycee (36)
DH (34)
Twin boys (4/12/01)
DD (7/10/03)

Evening all

Popping in again as promised...

DH and I both have a dreadful cold so this weekend has been very slow. On the up side, its meant that we didn't make any plans or rush around doing way too much stuff as usual so we have spent a lot of family time together veging around in our trackies! Plus, our little angels have been having 2 hour naps - so that's what DH and I have been doing as well!!

DH and the girls had great fun making lasagne sheets yesterday - which turned into a great lasagne enjoyed by all!

Paige on left, Hannah on right...



I'm glad everyone else has been slow on the swimming lessons too - I don't feel so bad now! We have a pool so the girls have been in with us a few times but aren't even close to swimming. We have the same problems as you all - not enough hands or $$. We took them down to the local heated pool a few weeks ago but it was full of kids and really noisy and they freaked out. We really will have to persist though, especially having a pool in our own back yard!

Hope everyone is well, DH and I are on the mend (just in time for the weekend to be over )

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Nicolie that picture is gorgeous. The girls are sooooo cute.

No one feel guilty about swimming lessons. We are the only multiple parents at swimming and it's a BIG club. If we still lived in Melb I wouldn't have bothered too much as we hardly ever swam but being in Cairns the girls need to be able to save themselves.

Nee there was triplets at our swim class before we started. The mum and dad went in and the teacher took the third one. We have really nice swim teachers as I cant imagine many places being that nice.

I'm having a few sleep issues with Amber( thats right the good sleeper!) She wants to sleep with the door open a tiny bit but then it takes her hours to go to sleep if I shut the door she screams LOUDLY x10 and doesn't stop. I gave all their sipper cups and anything that resembled a bottle to the garbage man last wednesday as they have always gone to sleep with boob or a cup of milk and enough is enough. I also have got her down from 4 dummies to only 1 and only in the cot(which we've done for ages). Have I just traumatised her too much? Or is she just trying to get one past me?
They haven't asked for their sipper cups but proudly tell our friends that the garbage man took their bottles and they have big girl cups now. Was expecting trouble from Olivia not Amber. Any suggestions?

Hope you all had a great weekend..

Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Rebecca - I don't have any suggestions about the sleep problems, just wanted to sympathise as we're going through this as well. The girls have always been really good sleepers and we've always kept the bedtime routine simple (bottle, teeth, 2 books and into bed). For the last two weeks, Eleanor in particular has been crying as soon as she's in the cot (although she's happy to go to her room to get ready for bed). She seems worried that we've left the house, keeps on asking for the other parent if one of us goes in and will then say "bye bye" while still crying - just breaks my heart. Maybe it's the age, do they go through another separation anxiety stage? (they are much better at moving away from me when we're out now). Or is just those toddler fears? Any ideas?

Maree

Eleanor 1/8/03
Harriet 1/8/03

Hi ladies,

Nicolie- the pics are so cute and they look as if they're having a ball.
Maree- I was trying to think of some suggestions for you. Maybe some special family pics on the wall might be a nice thing for her to look at when she's in bed? If you put up some photos of your girls with you etc and explain that she can look at those as she falls asleep that might help. That way 'you' kind of stay in the room with her and it may be a comfort. Also, I don't know whether she takes a favourite toy or teddy to bed to snuggle? My two year old DD takes her soft puppy dog and we hear her sing to it as she falls asleep! She went through a few days (a while ago) of calling out and crying and we gave her an extra teddy to "sing and dance with her puppy"- sounds bizrarre but it made her happy and she played with them and went to sleep!
Rebecca- hopefully if you just keep persevering she will settle into the routine?? It doesn't sound like much fun but apart from the suggestions above I'd say just keep going with what you're doing. Hope all works out.

Us- I had an appointment with the Asthma Foundation today and that was great. I got lots of practical info on how to manage Patrick's asthma. He's much better thank goodness.
I've been lucky and managed to take the boys to two terms of swimming lessons- but they can't really swim yet! It was exhausting organising it but we managed to do it. My DH changed shifts so he could come to some or his sister would come sometimes. His MIL would help or look after my DD. They're now able to be in the pool without me so I can just take them by myself and swim with my DD- but of course drying and dressing them is hard and much, much easier if I have help. I am planning on doing it again next year as I really want them to learn to swim- and my DD hasn't had any classes yet so I'd like to go with her too while the boys are at Kinder if possible. I must be insane!?
Hi to everyone,
Maycee

Thanks for the ideas, Maycee. Last night went better - I gave Eleanor special cuddles earlier in the evening and talked to her about feeling sad when she went to bed, told her that we were here and asked her if she could go to bed happy. I think the crying had become a bit of a habit and I wanted to see if we could give her a new "habit" of being happy. I didn't say "don't cry" as I find that saying "don't" do something just gives them the idea to do it - so I try to say what I want instead - takes a bit of imagination but seems to work better. There was a few minutes of crying but then the two of them started chatting and laughing (until trick and treaters rang the bell and things went pear-shaped again for a few minutes - I am not a fan of Halloween!). So all in all a better night, fingers crossed for tonight, thanks for the idea about the photos.

Maree

Eleanor 1/8/03
Harriet 1/8/03

This message was edited by nakigirl on Tuesday, 1 November 2005 @ 6:49 AM

Hi girls,

I love public holidays. DH was home from work today for cup day. So we spent the day planting seedlings in the garden with the kids. It was quite hot here so we had the little paddling pool set up for them too. Had a good weekend with them too. We had a family picnic with DH's parents and brother, SIL and their DD. We went to the childrens farm and the kids loved it.

We are having huge sleeping battles here. If we had another room I would be separating them in a flash! It is almost 10:30 now and they are still awake. I just don't know what to do anymore...they've been in big beds for 1 year now and they are still mucking around. Truly I have HAD it! Ok that's enough of a whinge!

Maree - I really like your idea of not saying "don't do this" but instead telling them what you want. I think I might give that a go!

Rebecca -I dont' know what to suggest for Amber and her sleeping probs. Does she have a special bear or blanky that she's attached to? Sounds like the swim teachers where you go are very nice!

Nicolie - Those photos are so cute! It looks they enjoyed every minute of that.

Cheers,

Hi girls!

Nee, sounds like you had a lovely weekend (and Cup Day). Shame to top it off with being awake at 10.30. I have absolutely no advice for you, mine are still trapped in their cots (where, as you know, I intend to keep them for as long as possible)

Good thinking on the positive approach Maree. Its so logical, but in the "heat of battle" one I tend to forget!

Seems like everyone is having one sleep drama or another at the moment. After my meltdown last week, Hannah has been pretty good. She still says she doesn't want to go to bed, but settles pretty quickly. Tonight is a different story though. They were at Grandma's today while I was at work and she let them nap too long :mad: I think I'm in for a long night...

I've developed a new hatred of "twin trolleys" after my shopping experience yesterday. They are sitting just a little too close together don't you think? It started with cuddles which got a little too enthusiastic and turned into whacking each other. I'm afraid I lost my cool and was overheard telling them to pack it in. Luckily the woman who overheard me was a mum of twins herself - unfortunately all she had to say was "it doesn't get any better" (hers are 6) :gasp:

DH has had a day at the races today (Perth) "entertaining" clients so I think I might treat myself to a little shopping trip tomorrow. Not that he won any money, but hey he got to have some fun spending some cash...

Well, things seem surprisingly quiet down the bedroom end of the house so I must go and knock something up for my tea. Night all.

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Paige & Hannah

No personals from me today, just a big whinge and moan. I have had an awful day! Last night the kids were mucking around in their beds until 11:30. Earlier in the night, Monique bit Josh on the EYE, and he screamed and cried. He was awake a lot of the night crying because it was so sore. When I got up this morning it was very red and swollen and he kept saying sore eye. So I took him down to the Dr's, I dumped Steph on a neighbour, Monique on another friend who lives in the same estate and took Aimee with us. The Dr put orange drops in his eye that show up under a blue light, and when he shone the blue light in Joshy's eye, sure enough there is a Mark on the eyeball from her bite. He said there is a good chance of infection because the mouth carries so many germs. He also said it is probably "bloody sore"!! Well, duh! I could have told him that. I have to put an antibiotic cream in his eyes minimum 4 times a day, but up to 10 times a day if it's really bothering him. Poor little kid. It looks very painful. And, I have rotten hayfever. I want to tear my eyes out they are so itchy and my sinuses are totally blocked.

See!! I told you this was a whingy post!

xxx

Hi all,
well Nee it does sounds like you have had an ordinary day. My thoughts are with you and hoping that Josh doesn't develop an infection. If only Monique knew that you really do have enough to do already!

It sounds like alot of you are having hard weeks so I hope your time improves for the second half of the week.

We are about to separate our two into different rooms and also into beds. Have you got any hints specific to twins to assist this transition?

Anyway, cherish those smiles and cute moments amongst the difficult times.



Leonie
DH Phil
DD Hannah (10.6.03)
DS Noah (10.6.03)

Oh Nee that's just awful. What a yucky day. I really hope Josh's eye heals fast.
Isn't it amazing the things that our kids do to each other? My boys are driving me crazy at the moment hurting each other. It drives me insane and makes me lose my temper. I find it very hard to enjoy being with them when they're hitting or biting or whatever. Tonight I was trying to make dinner and my boys were just antagonising each other and fighting and complaining etc etc... and I just wanted to walk out the back door and leave them to it!
Tomorrow morning they have Kinder- yay- which they love and it gives me a chance to catch my breath.
Then tomorrow night we are going to Tas for a holiday- catching up with my family. My sister's son is turning one and we are looking forward to celebrating his first birthday with him and my family.
Nee I'm thinking of you and hoping that you have a quieter day.
Maycee

Oh Nee, how awful! I meant Josh's eye, but now I think about it, also having them all awake so late. I *hate* it when we have trouble getting E and G to sleep. By the time it's their bedtime I am so completely ready for a break from them! I think you mentioned earlier that they might be trying to drop their day sleep. Do they still sleep during the day? For how long? I know it's awful to consider but maybe skipping that or curtailing it would help them to get to bed at night??? I know it doesn't always work that way but maybe worth a shot. You could still put them in their room for "quiet time" during the day, which is what I do with E and G. Not that it's quiet time for them as they play with their toys and trash their room, but it is for me. Having said that I must admit that if they're having a particularly "at" each other day I have to be careful or they could really hurt each other. The only other thing I can think of is staying in their room until they sleep, which is a pain in the you-know-what. We've been doing that a little bit for E and G during the day while they've been sick and unbearably tired and they do manage to sleep then b/c they can't get out of bed or talk. But we're not sure what to do now that they're better and coping more again b/c then it's a) takes longer to get them to sleep at night and B) makes them ask for us to stay with them at night which we're not prepared to do. Also, when I put them to bed and stay with them during the day they often wake up crying b/c I've left. I mean crying inconsolably to the point of making me think it's not worth having them sleep at all!!

Anyway, that was a rather long and unhelpful ramble!!

Ella and Grace haven't had swimming lessons either, though we're planning to get around to it soon. My mum and dad have said they'd like to take them which sounds good to us on many, many levels! I did take them to a toddler pool a few times last summer but it is hard work. Not only supervising them but getting them to leave afterward!! Ella and Grace have those beach towels that they wear as ponchos with a hood and I remember one time partiuclarly when I was trying to convince Ella to put hers on and leave with me and in the meantime Gracie walked straight back into the pool and fell over with hers on! Saturated!

We're all on the mend now, finally, from this silly coughing virus has just lingered and lingered. All except DH anyway. Finally I told him today to take the day of work and go to the dr b/c he's been coughing for 4 weeks now. If nothing else I'm sick of listening to it!! LOL.

Ella and Grace are pretty good at the moment, although they still have massive fights. We're trying to take them out a bit separately and also encourage them to play separately when they have opportunities. i.e. at playgroup I gently encourage them in different directions with different kids etc so that they have some break from each other. Although I think they're seeking this more themselves now too.

Anyway, sorry there's no personals from me today, I'm so behind on the posts but I really should go and do some work. The girls are in childcare today and I should be trying to do a chapter rewrite

Forgot to add my new signature - am so used to not having one!! So just thought I'd add the piccy of my girls - several months old now but never mind!


Kate
Ella and Grace 10/10/02


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Gorgeous photos of Ella and Grace!! Nee - hope you're having a better day. Just had to report a funny thing that happened at home the other day. As I've posted before, the girls are starting to talk a lot more. Harriet was whining at me from her highchair for something and I was telling her to tell me what she wanted. I was getting more frustrated and said about three times "say a word, say a word, say a word". She stopped whining, looked puzzled and said "a word" - well I guess that's what I told her to do. Of course then I laughed so much she started whining again because I wasn't listening! Love the new language skills and how literal toddlers are.

Maree

Eleanor 1/8/03
Harriet 1/8/03

Oh Nee, sending lots of happy get well vibes to you and Joshua. Poor little thing. Thats a story he'll get to tell for a long time to come!!!!!

Still having sleep issues but from the sound of everyone it's that time of year....

Have a good day everyone...

Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

OMG Nee, that's just awful! Poor Joshua Eye injuries are just plain nasty. The cream you have is pretty good though, keep at it and he'll feel better in no time.

I love your story Maree, it cracked me up! Whining drives me up the wall, its moments like that one that keep you sane I reckon. I need to get a "whining plan" in action for Paige in particular. I've got to put a stop to it, its like nails on a blackboard - which makes it all the more tempting to give in just to make the noise stop...and thereby making the problem that much worse.

Kate, stop reading this and get some work done...(pot calling the kettle black here)

Reading everyone's posts I'm starting to wonder whether the sleep issues ever end. It seems you just get one thing sorted out and a new problem emerges. Before we know it, the kids will be 18 and we'll be telling them off for getting home at 3am!!

We decided yesterday to change the girls' bed time from 7 to 7.30. They don't seem to be ready for bed at 7 any more and DH really wants to spend a bit more time with them in the evenings. As it is now he gets home from work, puts them in the bath and then its time for PJs, story and bed. Anyway, we started it last night and the kids passed out on the couch in the middle of story time at 7.15!! So much for that plan...oh well, it was nice to put them to bed without a fight for a change.

Thursdays are a busy "toddler" day for us. We have been to Toddler Jam this morning and will be off to playgroup this afternoon. Should get off the computer and make a cake or something for playgroup, I have been slack with bringing something lately (or maybe I should just get a bottle of wine at the drive thru on the way...?)

Oh and finally, would one of you Melbournians please return our nice warm Perth weather? We are sick of having your weather over here - we want ours back!!!

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Paige & Hannah

Hi Girls, I'm sorry for those who don't have daylight saving - but to those who do.....how good is daylight saving! I am so enjoying not waking up at 5am for a change.
Nicolie - how is the new bed time going?
Nee- how is Joshua's eye? How are you coping with having to put the cream in? (I hope he isn't fighting you too much)
Maree - thanks for the laugh about "saying a word" - I am spending my day working on their speech at the moment and so can realate to the frustration.

We have had a busy weekend. Painted Noah's room yesterday (got Hannah's done a couple of weeks ago). We are just waiting for the paint fumes to lessen and then they will be separated. This is a sad time, but we also feel like it is necessary because they are mucking around so much at bed times. The move into big beds has been a bit of a failure. They just muck around, jump on beds, pull clothes out of the wardrobe etc etc until we move one of them into another room until they go off to sleep. It is so cute to listen to them mucking around but of course we have to put on the cranky voice and attempt to get them to go to sleep.

Hope you have all had a good weekend and had a bit of R&R while partners have been around.



Leonie
DH Phil
DD Hannah (10.6.03)
DS Noah (10.6.03)

Hi girls,

Thanks so much for asking how Joshy's eye is doing. It's a lot better now, and he can open it fully. I really wish we had another bedroom in our house so that I could separate them all!

Leonie - What colours are you/have you painted the rooms?

Nicolie - I'm absolutely loving this warm weather, no way I'm sending it back to Perth!! How's the altered bed time going?

Maree - Had a giggle at your story.

Kate - Nooooooooooooooo, I don't want to drop the day sleep! Interestingly enough the days when they do miss their nap, the invariably fall asleep in their chairs!

Maycee - Hope you're enjoying your holiday.

Hi all

Nee - Glad Joshua is doing better. I do think you are being a bit greedy with the weather! Oh, and we could do with some daylight saving too.

Leonie - good luck with the big move.

7.30 bed time is going well. Less arguments about sleep time and the "witching hour" is a bit more relaxed as we are on less of a tight schedule which is nice.

Our weekend has been pretty horrible. I got a call from day care on Friday afternoon to say that Hannah's temp was 39.7 and did I want them to give her some Panadol? (ah, der, yes please!). Poor lamb struggled all through Friday night and Saturday with skyrocketting temps, lethargy and not eating. I finally took her to the dr on Sat night ($80, thanks for coming!) and turns out it is tonsillitis She had another dreadful night last night but thankfully has picked up a bit today. She even asked for chips for lunch so I let her have them, I was so pleased she wanted to eat at all! Paige has been absolutely full of beans all weekend. She's really cheered us all up, what a cutey. It occured to me tonight that she seems to almost be trying to make up for Hannah's lack of energy by doubling her own.

Hopefully things will continue to improve for Hannah. I am paranoid that Paige & I will get it too. I didn't even realise it was contagious until yesterday. I used to get it a lot as a kid and its just horrendous. Fingers crossed she will improve quickly (and keep it to herself)...

That's all from me for now, must go and get some tea on for DH and I. He is doing the ironing while I slack off on the computer

Take care all

Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)

Paige & Hannah

Hi Girls

Sorry it's been a while.

Things here are good. Danika has started really testing us & being defiant, throwing tandy's & not listening. We are clamping down on her as we went through all this with Kateleigh not to long ago. Now Kateleigh is such a good girl & doesn't have anywhere near the amount of tandy's. We know it works, so we just have to stay consistent with Danika.

We went to Noosa last weekend & had an absolute ball. We took the girls to the beach everyday & took them Kayaking & they LOVED it. We had a horrid time with sleeping though! Apart from that it was LOVELY & we didn't want to come home.

My sister is staying for about a week with her 6mth old bubba. He's sooo cute & the girls just adore him. They are fascinated by breastfeeding & continually "breastfeed" their dolls.

nicolie~ I love the pic of your gorgeous girls. I hope your girls are feeling better again. It's horrible having sick children.

Kate~ I love the photo of your girls too, it's VERY cute.

Maree~ I laughed at the "say a word" story. Very cute.

Leonie ~ I think you have done the right thing by separating your children! Wish we could do it, as it would make a difference to the mucking around at bedtime. We separate now, but once D is asleep, we put her back in her own room again.

Sorry if I missed you!

Belinda

We've settled a bit as well. Almost three weeks after taking the girls sippercups and anything that resembled a bottle off them we have finally got them to bed at a reasonable hour.... It has been a REALLY LONG three weeks!!!
We too have been trying to change bedtime to 7.30 as we just continually seem to be rushing to get everything in before bed. So far the girls are asking to go to bed before before 7.30. Olivia got her formula and a cup out for me at 6.20pm last night and said she was tired of course she didn't get to sleep till after 8...

I have given in to Ambers request to sleep with the door open, she's stopped being silly. DH closed it this morning when he went to work 5.45am and she woke up SCREAMING (nice one dad)he opened the door and she went straight back to sleep...

I took the girls to have some pics done this morning by our wedding photographer. He does really nice natural pics. The girls were good for about 15 minutes.He even put the wiggles on for them, they pretended to be pussy cats and crawled around on the floor miowing then Olivia decided to be a snake and slid all over the studio in her pretty pink dress. I will be very curious as to the outcome!!!

Nee is there anyway we can post a one off pic of ourselves? I'd love to "meet" the people we share our kids antics with.

Sending get well vibes to those who are sick and GO TO BED vibes to all the kids....

Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Becs that's a great idea....post away girls. I'll bbl with a piccy of me.

Hi Everyone,

We're back! We survived our driving holiday with twin 2.5 year olds!!! Actually we had the best holiday that we've had since the girls were born. They were really good in the car (most of the time!!). I bought the mini-magnadoodle things and they were a huge hit, (so thanks girls for that suggestion). We took plenty of fun snacks and books I could read to them as we drove. The weather was really good both in Adelaide and along the Great Ocean Road so that really helped. The beach was a huge hit (a novelty for the girls living in Canberra!). Back to work tomorrow which will be a huge shock to the system, I think I am the most relaxed I have been for over three years!!

I am still trying to catch up on whats been going on in this thread so sorry if I miss anyone out.

Nee- you poor thing with the whole sleeping drama, not to mention Josh's eye how awful for you. I know bed time can be so stressful. I totally loose the plot if the girls mess around even for 30 mins after lights out. I hope Josh's eye is getting better.

Nicolie-I hope Hannah is feeling better, high temps are a worry

Leonie- yes daylight savings is great!! The girls slept until 7am the day after the clocks changed (yippy!!!) but are back to 5.30am now (hmmmm)

Kate-your girls are so sweet! Hows the thesis???? Don't you hate it when people ask you that!

Better get on, soooooo much washing and unpacking to do its not funny.

Beth

Sophie and Daisy 9/4/03

Thats good news about your holiday beth!! Glad you survived and enjoyed yourself.. The kids are so much nicer over 2years...

My being a chicken about taking Ambers dummy away has been solved... She dropped it in the toilet just before bed on Tuesday night!!!!!!!! Yuck. I felt so teary for both her and me(sleep factor). She came running out to ask me to get it but I explained that she couldn't have it back . So she said goodbye to it and Olivia came in and said goodbye and she flushed it away to live with Nemo... We eventually got her to sleep at 11pm for 2 hours then up again.. She was so tired but never cried once which really suprised me. She just kept saying " I dont need a dummy" only babies have dummies. She lay in bed with us and went through all of her friends and realised that no one else has a dummy either.

Early visit to Kmart to get a little ernie doll to keep her company in bed and got her to bed last night by 9. And she's just gone to sleep all by herself for her usual day sleep and has only mentioned it once today.

I dont usually get too teary over taking things away from them but she looked so sad. The good thing being at least she did it herself even if it was an accident.
Feel like we've turned a huge corner with the girls.... No highchairs,nappies,dummies,bottles etc.

Hope you are all having a good week...


Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Seeming as I suggested it i'll go first.Here's a pic of the girls and I at our recent wedding. I barely have pics of the girls and I as i'm always taking them.

Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Sorry need to resize the pic again.

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Rebecca 32
Nathan 29
Amber & Olivia 08/05/03

Becs- Such a sad story about Ambers dummy. But as you say does make it easier that it was an accident. Our girls have "wraps" as their comfort thing and I have been gradually reducing their size so that now they are not much bigger than a mans hankie, not sure how we will get rid of them all toghether though. Love the photo of you and the girls at your wedding, all three of you look lovely!!! I'll try and find one of me and my girls from our wedding to post.

Back to work today, its hard being away from the girls after being on holiday and with each other 24/7. They were pleased to go to daycare today and see all their friends. Oh well better do some work I guess.
Beth

Sophie and Daisy 9/4/03

Hi Girls
Welcome back Beth. Glad to hear you had a great time away. The Great Ocean road is just beautiful.

A quick one from me.
Just requesting hints on the transition to beds.
We are having the expected difficulty with them getting out of their beds and mucking around. After a week we still don't seem to have made many in roads on that one.
Then last night we put them in separate rooms. As expected Noah didn't cope and he didn't go to sleep till 10pm and that was with Dh staying in the bedroom with him.Hannah was slightly better (about 9pm).
We tried to make it exciting and say how special it was etc.
Any other ideas??
One reason I am concerned is that we are going away on holidays this week - with my dad who is very sick with cancer. So it would be great to be able to keep the stress as low as possible.
:confuse:

Thanks in advance and sorry to ask a trivial question.

Leonie
DH Phil
DD Hannah (10.6.03)
DS Noah (10.6.03)

Beth - welcome back, hope the washing is under control. How did you cope without them at work?

Becs - gorgeous picture! You are one of those horrible photogenic people aren't you?

Lones - no advice on beds I'm afraid, as everyone already knows my kids are staying in their cots until they are 16!

Hannah is much better, thanks all for asking. We have had a lovely day bumming around the house today. She has the all clear to go to day care tomorrow but I thought it best to keep her home from Toddler Jam and playgroup today just in case. She is currently taking a balloon for a walk in her doll's stroller, loopy child.

Attaching pic of me and a bunch of other people (I hope). As Becs said, I don't have many of me - I am normally the one taking them. The big bald guy is my DH, the old people are our grandparents, you know who the kids are and that just leaves me! My poor Pop looks a bit lost amongst all the ladies don't you think?



Nicolie
DDs Paige & Hannah (23/09/03)


Give us a hug Sis!

HI Ladies

Bec~ I remember taking my girls dummies away. I was a lot harsher than you though! I stood in the kitchen & cut all the teats off them & told them they were "broke". They helped me put them in the bin. The first night was the worst, but I was very surprised how well they did. Although they told me for ages that "Dummy got broke, Mummy broke dummy" for a long time! I'll have to find a photo of me (somewhere). DH is a photographer, but there are hardly any nice photos of me! I seem to always be taking them of him & the girls.

Beth~ Welcome back. Glad you had a lovely holiday. We went to Noosa a few weeks ago with the girls & it was sooo nice. Didn't want to come home.

Leonie~ I must admit I found the cot to bed transition very hard (sorry I know you didn't want to hear that). Here's a couple of idea's you could try if you haven't already.

Do some role-plays. While they are up playing do some "pretend" going to bed. You can do it with them so they can see what you expect from them.

Is there something they really like that you can use as a reward? Like if they stay on their beds they can have or do something special?

Riverton told me to sit in the room with them. Each time they got off their bed, you lay them back down & tell them "sleep time". No eye contact. Then once they start staying on their beds, move to the door & do the same, once they master that move to just outside the door & do the same thing. We had some success with this, but it's very hard to do with 2 at once!

Nicolie~ Love the photos! The photo of the girls is VERY cute

Us~ Not much to report. So sick of wee & poo though. Both have regressed AGAIN with wetting their pants. The stickers worked for about 2 days & that was it. Trying to find something I can deprive them of. They have full control honestly it's pure laziness & that makes me mad.

Belinda

Thanks for those ideas Belinda.
I had thought of rewards - but not sure if Noah would actually understand it (Hannah probably would).
I will try though and also the idea of role playing sounds good.
I will leave the full on intervention till we get home from holidays.

We are off to Port Macquarie tomorrow.

Sorry no pics from me because I can't figure out how to do it!

Leonie

Hi all, we're back from our trip to Tassie so I thought I'd pop in and say hello. I'll try to attach a pic of us all soon when I get everything sorted!
Leonie- hope you have a fantastic trip to Port Macquarie.
Belinda- the TT thing takes ages doesn't it?! My boys are fine during the day and almost every night but we're still putting them in pull-ups during the night. They'll be okay for 3-4 nights and then wake up wet... or worse...with a poo which surprised us in Tassie! Michael is starring as he's had dry nights for a week so we're going to start putting him to bed in pants and fingers crossed.
Nicolie- that's a great pic of you with your family and the pic of Paige and Hannah is so cute.
Leonie- changing to beds is tricky as suddenly they'e mobile (stating the obvious here sorry) and so it's not much fun. We tried to be very firm and we told them we'd turn their light right down if they got out of beds (as they like to fall asleep with a light on- but not fully bright). We also let them take something to bed to play with- like 2 special cars or something. Thankfully they like very different things so this usually meant they stayed in their own beds and just played with their cars or whatever. This gave us something else to threaten them with- stay in bed or you lose your special toy!
Best of luck and also I'm sorry to hear about your father.
Beth- glad you enjoyed your holiday and I hope your work is going well. I know what you mean re washing and unpacking- I'm surrounded by clothes that need to be washed!
Rebecca- the photo of you and your girls is wonderful. What a beautiful bride!

Us- well we had a ball in Tas. Spent lots of time at the beach and DH and I have put on a few extra (unwanted!) kilos after lots of yummy lunches at raspberry farms and chocolate factories. Kids were very good although we did have a few horror times at my mum and dad's when the kids got too hyped up and were loud and rough. My boys are happy to wrestle and jump on each other all day if you let them. It drives me mad. But they were great most of the time and we really had a brilliant family holiday.
Better go and keep unpacking, hi to all,
Maycee

Maycee (36)
DH (34)
Twin boys (4/12/01)
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