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aussiebella
21/03/2011, 11:26 AM
Leiam???
Now hear me out before you all go

lol...
We have decided on Noah Liam.
Liam because it contains the letters of my daughter name (Amelia) except the e. I'd really like all the letters in it.
If it's the middle name only, that won't have to be spelt out all the time except on forms, would it be a stretch to add the e and make it Leiam??? I have googled it and it seems to be a legit name...
Just interested in whether people have seen it like this before??
Ultimately DH and I will decide and I'm leaning towards adding the e because it's more meaningful...but just interested in what the general public ( or at least the general public of EB) think
3_for_me
21/03/2011, 11:28 AM
When I read the title I thought, no way, too weird. But when I actually read your post I think it's perfect
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 11:32 AM
Yea E. I'm normally a very no weird spelling and classic names kind of person.
But this just seems right and seems unfinished without the E.
Monroe
21/03/2011, 11:33 AM
I think it's a beautiful suggestion

ETA: beautiful name also K x
lamarque
21/03/2011, 11:33 AM
I'd normally say no but seeing your sig I can see why it is special to you.
Being a middle name there won't be so many issues with it later on in his life.
Bel Rowley
21/03/2011, 11:34 AM
Sorry I really don't like it, even with the special meaning. I see why you want to do it but I don't like the look of it. The only positive is that it is 'only' a middle name so at least he wouldn't have to be spelling it out to people all the time.
Noah Liam is very nice BTW

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aussiebella
21/03/2011, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (Memphis @ 21/03/2011, 12:33 PM)

I think it's a beautiful suggestion

ETA: beautiful name also K x
Thanx S xxx
QUOTE (lamarque @ 21/03/2011, 12:33 PM)

I'd normally say no but seeing your sig I can see why it is special to you.
Being a middle name there won't be so many issues with it later on in his life.

That's what I though. I wouldn't do it for a first name but seeing as the first name holds a lot of meaning i'd like the second name to have just as much. I would rather say "It contains all the letters of our daughters name" rather than "it contains all the letters of our daughters name except the e"
EssentialBludger
21/03/2011, 11:37 AM
Sorry, I dont like it, even with the special meaning.
(but then again, I don't like naming kids after the deceased full stop. Amelia was her own special person and it is her own special name).
I'm sorry for your loss.
~Nodnol~
21/03/2011, 11:38 AM
It is perfect.
Dinosaurus
21/03/2011, 11:48 AM
I don't like it either but as a middle name I really don't think it matters - it is unlikely he will need to spell it out ever as most people who want a middle name is because you're filling out a form - certainly wont come up in job interviews! I love Noah and it matches well with your other kids.
Bigmess
21/03/2011, 11:50 AM
No, sorry, regardless of the reasons.
If the reason is to honour your deceased daughter (? not sure if this is the case?), maybe that is a burden not to be put onto a new baby.
The general public might wonder, why is the middle name spelled so oddly?
and if they find out the reason, if it is the reason I think, that is also odd.
Let this new baby be free from history.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 11:53 AM
I don't see it as a burden. But I get what your saying.
Buggylicious
21/03/2011, 11:58 AM
I would normally be against it but seeing as it is the middle name and the way you feel about it I would go for it.
ollies-mum
21/03/2011, 12:01 PM
I dont like it either. Amelia is one of your children so i dont think you have to put her name in your middle sons name to remember her you will always have her in your heart.
Audrey Hepburn
21/03/2011, 12:01 PM
Noah Liam
Leiam - Not so much. Even though it is a lovely sentitment I look at it and think about the spelling rule. "I before E except after C"
Leiam is just too made up for me and not a real name.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:07 PM
QUOTE (ollies-mum @ 21/03/2011, 01:01 PM)

I dont like it either. Amelia is one of your children so i dont think you have to put her name in your middle sons name to remember her you will always have her in your heart.
Sorry, not trying to be rude, but can you please come back when you've lost a child and tell me how I should remember my daughter.
I wanted opinions on the name, not whether I should or should not name my son after my daughter.
dae-gu
21/03/2011, 12:08 PM
I also believe Noah should have his own name and not be given a name in rememberance of his sister
. Your other boys don't have her in their names, so why should he? And I think as he gets older he may well be peeved that he got such a different name and his brothers didn't. Sorry just trying to see this from the eyes of a boy growing up in yrs to come.
I do like Noah Liam too, but I wouldn't make a big thing about it being the letters of his sisters name.
Craptacular
21/03/2011, 12:08 PM
I think it's a lovely tribute and don't see it as burdening your little boy at all.
I googled Leiam as well and there seems to be a few people with it as a name.
Some people just aren't into naming their kids after family members and that's fine for them but you do what is best for you.
ETA I can't imagine a child being "peeved" because they got a "different name" from their siblings - sounds ridiculous to me.
Tammy Swanson
21/03/2011, 12:08 PM
I am sorry for your loss. Have you thought about the male version of Amelia instead. I think it is Amel (pronounced A-mal) as I used to work with a guy who name was that and also I think from memory the meaning of his name was 'Hope'( I was pregnant at the time and was obsessed with finding the meaning of every name I knew!) which I think is really appropriate in your situation. I love the name Liam and you could always say that it is Irish spelling for it as they have some pretty wacky spellings
dae-gu
21/03/2011, 12:10 PM
Sorry, just read your above post and I didn't mean to upset you by my post either, just my honest opinion.
My boys have names from their birth country as their first names, very different to other names of their non adopted friends and I know how hard it can be for them sometimes.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:12 PM
QUOTE (dae-gu @ 21/03/2011, 01:08 PM)

. Your other boys don't have her in their names, so why should he?
Because they were born before she died obviously. She didn't exist when we were naming them???
Amelia was named after her great grandmothers. Not obviously, but in our own way.
QUOTE (vegemitemum @ 21/03/2011, 01:08 PM)

I am sorry for your loss. Have you thought about the male version of Amelia instead. I think it is Amel (pronounced A-mal) as I used to work with a guy who name was that and also I think from memory the meaning of his name was 'Hope'( I was pregnant at the time and was obsessed with finding the meaning of every name I knew!) which I think is really appropriate in your situation. I love the name Liam and you could always say that it is Irish spelling for it as they have some pretty wacky spellings

Well we have Irish heritage on DH's side lol. Not keen on Amal, but thanks for the suggestion
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:16 PM
QUOTE (dae-gu @ 21/03/2011, 01:10 PM)

Sorry, just read your above post and I didn't mean to upset you by my post either, just my honest opinion.
My boys have names from their birth country as their first names, very different to other names of their non adopted friends and I know how hard it can be for them sometimes.
I can see what you mean, but Leiam would be the middle name, barely used and he probably won't even use it at school or worry about it growing up.
My belief is that this little boy has been sent to me by Amelia to heal my heart. Leiam is a completely different name to Amelia. I'm not using the same name, just making sure a little piece of her is carried with him because he never gets to know her. The boys did however know her. We have photos of them with her.
kalita
21/03/2011, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (ollies-mum @ 21/03/2011, 01:01 PM)

I dont like it either. Amelia is one of your children so i dont think you have to put her name in your middle sons name to remember her you will always have her in your heart.
I think this too (and I have lost a child). As much as I love and miss my daughter, I don't think it would be fair on another child to have the lost baby's name and effectively having to take the place of two living children instead of just themselves.
But, your son, your daughter, you choice. I wouldn't do it.
ETA: I wouldn't do Liam with an e, it looks wrong.
3_for_me
21/03/2011, 12:19 PM
Hey hon, you know what eb is like, you can't please everyone. It's a perfectly good name and you have perfectly good reasons for wanting to use it so don't feel you have to defend them to others. Use the name you like for the reasons YOU like it and stuff what others think
ollies-mum
21/03/2011, 12:19 PM
Sorry i didnt mean to upset you at all. Your right i dont know how i would feel in the situation. I wouldnt bother posting on here just do what feels right to you. Sorry again i really didnt mean it to come across rude
laridae
21/03/2011, 12:21 PM
I think its a nice sentiment - but if you are going to do it you should put in the extra A as well (as there are 2).
Perhaps
Lieaam
-Screamapillar-
21/03/2011, 12:23 PM
I think it's a lovely idea given your reason's.
EB wasn't a fan of our daughters name but we used it because my partner and I liked it
Craptacular
21/03/2011, 12:23 PM
I can see the opposing point of view, but to me naming a child after someone you loved so greatly is honouring both people. To me, it says "I loved this person so much and I name you after them because I love you so much too". Of course the child would still be loved if it had a different name but maybe I can't explain it. I think it's something that only people who are into naming their kids after others can understand.
peebs
21/03/2011, 12:25 PM
I don't like it spelt that way, sorry. The spelling looks ugly, and Amelia is such a gorgeous name, I think it kind of ruins it to do that. I actually think Liam spelt the regular way is more fitting with your idea, as it's made from the letters of Amelia. Lieam is still an A short of being all the letters, so the extra E makes no sense and seems a bit random. I think it's much nicer and actually more fitting to just use 'Liam' - made from the letters of Amelia. That's just my opinion though, it's such a personal thing, you need to do what feels right for you, whatever others think.
Noah Liam is a really lovely name, and goes nicely with your others kids names.
I'm very sorry for the loss of Amelia.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:25 PM
QUOTE (laridae @ 21/03/2011, 01:21 PM)

I think its a nice sentiment - but if you are going to do it you should put in the extra A as well (as there are 2).
Perhaps
Lieaam
Yea I thought about that but I thought as long as it has all the single letters (like not doubling up on the A).
Lieaam is stretching the imagination a bit I think lol....
kaboo
21/03/2011, 12:29 PM
If you use "ei" it makes the hard "I" sound, like eye
You would need to use "ie" to get the soft sound, even then "lie" is pronounced with a hard "I" sound too.
niggles
21/03/2011, 12:30 PM
Your daughters name is Amelia with 2 a's so Leiam is not going to give you the same letters exactly anyway. I don't see the extra e makes any difference to the idea unless you are going to work an extra a in there as well.
So all that considered, I think using the name Liam is a way for him to carry a piece of her with him, if that sentiment is important to you.
Her name has still inspired his and you will know that regardless of how you spell it.
AuntyC
21/03/2011, 12:30 PM
I just wanted to say that you have excellent taste in names!

I wouldn't do it for a first name, but I don't think the spelling is as important in a middle name. I think it is a lovely way to honour your daughter, and isn't that what middle names are all about?
la di dah
21/03/2011, 12:30 PM
If I can say this without offending the OP; I also like Amel more than Leiam, especially in this instance because one of the meanings is "hope" and that seems meaningful in this case, a gift of hope for the future.
QUOTE
Amel \a-mel\ as a boy's name (also used as girl's name Amel / Amelia), is a variant of Amal (Hebrew, Sanskrit, Arabic), and the meaning of Amel is "labor, hard work; pure; hope".
Leiam isn't horrible, and I'm not trying to be rude.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:36 PM
QUOTE (la di dah @ 21/03/2011, 01:30 PM)

If I can say this without offending the OP; I also like Amel more than Leiam, especially in this instance because one of the meanings is "hope" and that seems meaningful in this case, a gift of hope for the future.
Leiam isn't horrible, and I'm not trying to be rude.
No you're not being rude.
But I really don't like the name Amal, it sounds (and now I see the origin, it is) Arabic to me and not my taste at all.
I think maybe the more I think about it I can just stick with Liam because it rather than thinking, it uses all the letters of Amelia's name except the e, I can just think it uses letters FROM Amelia's name.
ETA- I wasn't trying to be b**chy before, but I know some people don't like the idea of naming someone after a deceased loved one, but that's not what this thread was about. I apologise Ollies-mum if I sounded harsh
niggles
21/03/2011, 12:38 PM
Another option is the name Maile, meaning 'vine'.
It's a Hawaiian name, often feminine but Hawaiian names are unisex according to wiki.
CallMeAl
21/03/2011, 12:40 PM
Given that it's only a middle name, I think it's a nice idea.
niggles
21/03/2011, 12:41 PM
QUOTE
I think maybe the more I think about it I can just stick with Liam

I see no reason not to.
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (niggles @ 21/03/2011, 01:38 PM)

Another option is the name Maile, meaning 'vine'.
It's a Hawaiian name, often feminine but Hawaiian names are unisex according to wiki.
May-lee??? Mah-lee?? I think it's very pretty, but I would use it for a girl. Might have to keep it in mind for future reference
soelluet
21/03/2011, 12:43 PM
Noah Liam is a great choice. I personally dont like it with the e in it, but like you said ultimately it is your choice
AuntyC
21/03/2011, 12:44 PM
Maybe think of it like this:
A M E L I A M
So it's more like the names have a connection...
aussiebella
21/03/2011, 12:46 PM
QUOTE (AuntyC @ 21/03/2011, 01:44 PM)

Maybe think of it like this:
A M E L I A M
So it's more like the names have a connection...
Yea...ok...probably better!!!
Alacritous~Andy
21/03/2011, 12:57 PM
QUOTE (AuntyC @ 21/03/2011, 12:44 PM)

Maybe think of it like this:
A M E L I A M
So it's more like the names have a connection...
I was just about to post the same thing.
Iwishicouldtype
21/03/2011, 01:03 PM
I get your sentiment, but really don't like leiam. Not to mention it looks like it should be pronounced 'lay-um'.
Also correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like you chose the name Liam, and only after wards realized it contained most of the letters of Ameila's name. I just think that if you want to honour amelia, thats fine, just don't muck about with the spell of Liam to do it. Choose another name that somehow honors Amelia. Obviously reusing letters is problematic. There are so many vowels that the resultant words all sound so girly and/or Arabic.
Ealima
Aemile (am-eel)
Emaeil (em-ay-l)
CountryBumpkin
21/03/2011, 01:09 PM
QUOTE (Blondiebear @ 21/03/2011, 09:34 AM)

Sorry I really don't like it, even with the special meaning. I see why you want to do it but I don't like the look of it. The only positive is that it is 'only' a middle name so at least he wouldn't have to be spelling it out to people all the time.
Noah Liam is very nice BTW

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^^ This.
Kay1
21/03/2011, 01:20 PM
QUOTE
I think maybe the more I think about it I can just stick with Liam because it rather than thinking, it uses all the letters of Amelia's name except the e, I can just think it uses letters FROM Amelia's name.

this is what I was thinking. Lovely name.
~THE~MAGICIAN~
21/03/2011, 01:23 PM
I wouldn't. It looks just plain wrong. There are other ways of remembering your little girl.
Mum--SA
21/03/2011, 01:27 PM
Absolutely perfect
~Mintie~
21/03/2011, 01:38 PM
Honestly, I don't like it, but if I was you I wouldn't give a flying toss what other people thought and I would use it anyway. It's a middle name, so won't be used every day, and it's a little piece of your daughter that will live on. Not many people (including myself) understand the pain of losing a child, and I don't think many understand how a parent may like to honor that child. It's personal, and it's something that is important to you. So I say follow your heart.
QUOTE
Maybe think of it like this:
A M E L I A M
So it's more like the names have a connection...
Not a bad way of thinking about it
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