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Hi All,

Hope your days are going well

Reptilegal – glad your scan went well. Pity you didn’t get to have the chat, but at least you are able to get along now. Maybe that will make it easier when you do get to sit down and talk about the arrangements.

Petie – How annoying! Sorry you have to wait longer for your scan. Hopefully your kids will be beautifully behaved… can you bribe them with anything?

Bananfishbones – lovely to hear from you… it is so nice that you keep dropping in! Hope your body sorts itself out soon so you can get back to the fun of trying! You are such a strong person

Aprilbell – sorry to hear you had a bad night. Me too! So I am lying on the couch having a rest at the moment. Hope you got to have a bit of a nap. Not a bad mother at all… I’d say a pretty normal mum – I do the same thing.

Good luck to everyone having scans today – looking forward to hearing your news!

Just back from the OB myself, no magic cure for morning sickness unfortunately. He seems to think if I still have it now it’s going to stay and to try ginger and B6 (been there done that with no success). But he did give me the okay to use a sleeping tablet that’s Category A for those bad nights… it was the same one the chemist had recommended so at least I don’t have to feel guilty about taking it if Ineed to.

He was also lovely and reassuring as I’ve been stressing about haemoraghing again in labour, and he went through what he will do to try to prevent/minimise this. Much more caring than my first OB.

DS was sitting at lunch with my dad and I at a very busy restaurant after the OB appointment and again yelled at the top of his voice “mummy sore bum… mummy sore nuts!” Sooooo embarrassing. Think he’d given himself a wedgie!

Wow... MoT.. that's a real dilemma there! No wonder you are stressing. Not sure I can give you too much advice as I have only experienced going into "natural labour"... but ended up still having to have the induction drip to get the contractions going, epidural, forceps, tearing, haemoraghing etc. So for me, a natural childbirth still does not necessarily mean no drugs or intervention. So if you go natural, you may still have these things happen anyway.

With a C/S I don't think you should beat yourself up about "not having accomplished it yourself"... i guess I consider if you have a baby inside and then it ends up outside (however that happens) then you have given birth.

Whatever choice you make it seems you will feel that in someway you have had to compromise, so what is the one that is most likely to leave both of you healthy? Do you have the option of calling an ambulance if you go into labour so that you have all the medical intervention there if you do have a quick labour?

Not sure I've been any help at all... sorry.

bronze!

MoT....Not sure if I'm going to be of much help either as I too had my 2 children naturally and quickly both under 2hrs...however, no time for drugs etc. I agree with Imac about not beating yourself up about "not having accomplished it yourself" if you don't have them naturally, I believe the best way is to have both baby & mum healthy whichever the means of bringing baby into the world. Sure we might like to have a plan but if things don't go to plan why should we blame yourselves when its out of our control??

I too used to get upset with myself for not breastfeeding (was only able to do it for 3mths with both children). I had extremely difficulty not to mention the pain....nobody told me breastfeeding was so hard!! Still get emotional about it today, hence, I'm a little worried how I'll go 3rd time round but I'm going to try & not let it get to me like it has in the past (I'm getting teary now even just typing this up!!) But I too know at the end of the day as long as bubs is alive & well...does it really matter. Everyone says you bond better if you breast feed your baby & even on formula tins its says "Breast is Best"...the last thing any mum not wanting to put their baby on the bottle wants to hear. I remember being at the chemist buying my first formula tin & I was in absolute tears....had the chemist in tears too...as she too had only gone through the same thing a month before....no doubt we were a sight!!

Hope you find the answers that will help in your decision as to which way to go...as its a very personal one....& everyone has their own reasons for their choices...that's why we're given a choice.

Best of luck in finding your answers.

Jules xx

MoT: BIG hugs! Wow what a hard decision. What does your OB recommend?(* just curious *)
I'm thinking you live remotely, but is there a midwife in your area closer than the hospital that could come to you when you go into labour naturally, and be there in case it happens before you get to the hospital?? (ie travel in the car with you and DP)
From what you've read, can peoples labours get longer with the next birth?? or are they mostly shorter?? I know my SIL's three births were 6hrs, 4hrs, then 2hrs(induced). If it's majority of shorter I'd say your cutting it a bit fine living 1.5hrs from the hospital. Since your second birth was short and natural, if you were induced at 40+ weeks it's more than likely going to result in a natural birth because your body has done it before.. IYKWIM. but you don't know till you get there do you!!
I wouldn't class an elective C/S as a failure either!! considering your circumstances!! And if you did get induced and it resulted in a C/S at least you can say you gave it a shot.(that's what happened to me and I don't class the birth as a failure cause we tried but it was best for bubs to be born via c/s.. we do what we have to do to get bubs on the outside as imac puts it!!

HTH


sorry everyone else i'll come back later for a proper catch up!!

i'm also going to take 20wk pics tonight!! 20wks today!! hooray.

cya,
Anna

Hi ladies,

well I had my scan today and baby is just fine. Everything is within normal parameters so I'm very happy about that!! We didn't find out the sex but I still think it's a girl... especially when the sonographer said something about HER bones!! Hmmmmm???

Here's two pics (which I've also put into the 19wk section on photobucket)

I still have a 3cm blood clot on the edge of the placenta. The sonographer said it will either come out, be reabsorbed or come out after the birth... but it was nothing to worry about.

However... I do have to go back for another scan at 34 weeks as it seems my placenta is lieing quite low. By that stage I'm hoping it has moved so that I can avoid c/s!! I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one!

MoT My goodness... what a decision to make, I'd be interested in what your ob's opinion was too! I'm not sure that I'll be any help as I've only had one and that was natural... but given the descriptions of both your births... personally... I would opt for the induction or elective c/s. In regards to "not accomplishing it yourself"... you grew this little creature in YOUR body for 40wks... there is no GREATER accomplishment than that. How that baby comes into the world is neither here nor there in comparison to the work you and your body have done to get it into the world... now, could you please remind me I said that if and when I'm faced with a c/s

Breastfeeding Arrrrgghhhh don't get me started... no one tells you how UN natural it can be! I did it for 8wks and DD kept losing weight... I had no associated problems ie. mastitis, cracked nipples etc etc... but I ended up putting her on the bottle and she thrived! And you know what... if you lined all these kids up could you tell which had been bottle or breast fed... of course not!! I'll give it another go this time around... but I won't be beating myself up half as much as I did the last time!!

I was going to do more personals but I have to go and get DD from childcare!

Chat to you all tomorrow (bosses are interstate )

Feliss

Hijack away MoT... good to be able to air your thoughts. Such a tough decision either way. Sounds like the planned C/S has the least risks doesn't it? Hope you can make a decision you are comfortable with.

Feliss-congrats on the scan. Glad to hear all is well with bubs. I had a low lying placenta with DS and it moved by 34 weeks so I'm sure yours will do the same.

And yes, can I say breastfeeding is definitely not as easy as it appears is it? I can remember countless times being in tears and wondering what was wrong with me!

MOTMy god what a decision. I'm sorry I can't offer you any advise as this is my first, but I just wanted you to know that I was thinking of you.

Are you able to elect to be induced?

Am I a slack mum-to-be cause I'm so not worried whether i breastfeed or not? As far as I am concerned if i can do it then great but if not it will still be feed just from a bottle not me. I don't see what the big issue is. Our main concern at the moment is if we have a boy do we get him circumsized or not?

Oh, can I please be added to the list as a surprise? Also what is happening with the buddy list?

Well I best be off very tired last night, dh and I had another fight and I couldn't sleep. Seems all we do these days is fight

MoT, If it were me, And I am not saying you should do it but if I was in your situation, I would go natural or induce, I would be at the hospital at every twinge past 36 weeks too.
My first natural birth was like your vbac, major tearing, could barely walk for ages but my next 2 were easy peasy, no tearing.
EVERY birth is different, even in the same women. So I would give my body a go.
Yes an emergency CS or intervention may be required but atleast you are giving yourself a chance.
But I say this from my perspective. A CS scares the living hell out of me. If I ever come to need one I know I will have to be knocked out as I would freak out. Either way you should do what you feel is the best option for you and your bubs. A CS is not the easy way out so you shouldnt feel a failure if thats what you choose. the end result is all that matters.

Breastfeeding, Well I had a few minor probs with my first child. The fact she was in a hip brace (dislocated hips thanks to shocky intervening doctors) made it damned hard to hold her properly and it meant feeeding was difficult, breast cracked etc. Nipple shields saved the day. Once the brace came off we seemed to just fall into place. The next two were dead easy. This time I can forsee problems as my breasts are already sore and causing me far too much discomfort.......
But I LOVED it too much

My US tomorrow. yipee. Cant wait and I will also see my midwife which will be nice as she can meet DH and my two eldest aswell. Last visit to the hospital YIP YIP EEEEEE

MoT Thank you for the list. Is it possible to get a different person for me as I don't think Monasbub comes on here any more.

Have a great thursday everyone. Week is almost over. YAY

MoT... maybe Sarahbush and I can pair up as my BB is MIA too!

Good morning everyone. Hope you had a restful night. It is pouring here - my DS keeps asking me to clean up the rain with a towel so he can go outside! Quietish day today, swimming lesson and cleaning the house.

Good luck for those with scans today!

Good Morning all

We have playgroup this morning, Its raining so I guess all the kids will be inside Then I have to come back home and do some more cleaning and as you know thats a hard task when you have a toddler

MOT: I dont really have any advise for you sorry I am sort of in the same boat, I had emergency caesar last time, and I dont know if I should now try VBAC because the OB has advised me that my pelvis is too small

MUMOFTWINS: Could I please be added to the BB group?

APRILLBELL: Thanks for the PM

To all the rest of you getting scans today good luck....

I am getting nervous... Only 5 days till mine..

Will be back later.

Sophie

Morning,

Mum of Twins - I am glad you aired your concerns with us, I too don't think I can offer any advice to you being a 1st time mum but I am feeling for you and hope your journey to the right decision is not too troubling and you can embrace the decision you think is right. I do know that whatever may happen and whatever plans you have in place may not be viable at the time for the health of you and your baby, which is the most important thing. Everyone has given great advice so I will not even try to add to that. I understand your need for trying to have a natural birth and I think that you would albeit for the distance to the hospital. Good luck and keep us informed.

Feliss - congratulations on your scan, cute pics too.

Sarah - we too are having the thoughts that if we have a boy - do we circumsize?? Dilemma......

Aprillbell and Petie - good luck for your scans today. I have posted the list below.

Imac - what a cutie - your DS wanting you to clean up the rain with a towel.

Me - well I am a bit stressed at the moment, I was feeling baby kick and move a lot previously then yesterday and last night / this morning have had nothing discernible. Hopefully it is just tired or has moved to a place I cannot feel it easily but I am very concerned. I have my Ob appt today so hopefully a heartbeat will be heard and all will be fine - I will let you know. Is this common? I did read that the baby's growth has slowed down but everything else is still growing and thought perhaps as everything else is getting bigger and not the baby that means I can't feel it as easily - or am I just trying to convince myself...... Hmmmmm. Feeling a bit down today - will check in later.

03/05 Petie GIRL
03/05 Aprillbell ?
04/05 Linda GIRL
04/05 Marsbars ?
04/05 Ginny ? Finding out
04/05 Tictacs ?
04/05 Sam78 BOY
04/05 Kylie GIRL
07/05 Laus GIRL
07/05 Gipsy (rpt scan)
07/05 Bubble’N’Squeak
09/05 Angelbabe BOY

BECK

PURPLEBECK: Babe, dont worry honestly, I felt like that with Josh as well, but I honestly think that the bub isnt kicking ATM... Glad you are seeing OB today, he/she will put your mind at ease

Sophie

Purplebeck -I agree, try not to stress. This happens quite often to me... depends where the baby is in relation to the placenta - if it is behind then you won't feel much. It is still very early stages too so it is so small that a lot of movement needs to take place for you to feel it. If you can, go and lie down, have a really cold drink or an icypole and wait... this sometimes works for me.

Bec: Same here, bubs has been pretty quiet the last couple of days... but it's normal, hard not to stress about it though even when you know it's normal. Hope the OB visit goes well.

Purplebeck: dont worry about not feeling bub move. It all depends on how he/she is lying. If he/she is facing your spine with its back to your belly button there is no way in the world you will feel it kick as its not kicking to your skin..its kicking your bowel.. If you are really worried, then just mention it to your OB they can use the fetal monitor to let you listen to its heart beat..Good Luck..

Beck, try not to stress,its too early to feel movement all the time, just yet. Atleast your OB appointment should settle your nerves.
Also I am on the scan list twice LOL. I am also LINDA! So remove that one please

Kids are at school and kindy and I have to day to myself YIPEEE. DD#3 is in occasional kindy 1 day a week with her cousin so she is going home with them today so I can go have my scan without a whinging toddler in tow. The older 2 will be coming with me and I get to pick them up from school early Never done that before LOL. Am amazed at how well DD#2 is adjsuting to school. today is day 3 and she seems like an old hand at it now. Her little sis on the other hand is missing her terribly so thankfully she has her cousin to bully around today.

So YES my US today WHOO HOO. Would be better if it wasnt pouring with rain but I wont complain I got 2 days of pleasant weather to get the laundry done.

On the preggo front, my boobs are KILLING ME. I have never had them ache so much before. It wakes me up at night and I keep feeling like I am about to 'let down'and start spraying milk all over the place but dont get the relief.....sigh...
Heaven knows how I am going to cope when my neice is born in the next few weeks, I think I wont be able to hold her for fear of achey breasts

have a good day all, i will update after my US today.

Linda

MoT - I don't think you CAN hijack your own DIG LOL! That's what we are here for! As for the decision... I haven't had the experiences you have, but I agree with Linda. If you plan an induction then you will feel more in control, be able to organise for the children, and be at the hospital in time. If you still end up with a c/s then so be it! You gave your body a go, and how it turns out is all about baby and your health. You aren't going to drive yourself to the hospital are you? DH will?? I hope! There are ways to slow a labour down... which may help in the driving situation too. But the main thing is the stress, if the whole thing is more stressful than having a planned c/s then it stops being worth it I suppose. I wish I could offer more advice, but what ever you decide will be totally supported by everyone

Imac - glad your OB is helping, but a shame there is still no cure - darn it! I think the ginger and B6 only help if you are really consistant, and I found they only made a lot of difference when it wasn't bad m/s anyway. The B6 helped with moods for me more though. Are you taking folate or iron or anything that could be making you sick? I took Elevit last time the whole way through, and was sick till 20 weeks, this time - no multi vits and sickness ended ages ago! As for the haemoraghing, I can offer some very well known herbal advice to help there... if you are interested. Its used my thousands of women, and harmless to baby.

Feliss - Congrats! hope your placenta moves for you too. And at least you know if there is bleeding again that it is that clot...

Sarah - ummm, circumcision I wouldn't do, but it is my opinion and I know it is popular in Australia. In the UK however, no guys I knew were unless they were Jewish, it just wasn't done. What reasons would it be an option?

Beck - {hugs} don't worry about bubs too much yet, I have quiet times, then it all comes back with a kick and a tickle. They sleep at odd times too. Try a cup of tea? The caffeine might wake him/her up ROFL. (sorry, not really advising caffeine... but I did just have a cup of tea and the little one is whacking me, so I made the connection..).

Well its all fun at work and I can't concentrate LOL, much nicer to chat to people . Breast feeding - don't get me started, I'll go into that one another day!
anna

Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions ladies, much appreciated. I know I shouldn't worry so much but I am not telling you mothers something you don't already know - it is constant. I feel I am going to have to either learn how to cope with it or do something about this 'niggly' feeling I have otherwise I will end up being a nervous wreck and overpowering mother. How do you all cope with this? It is very new to me - I am feeling the 'it is not just you to look after' in a big way.

Sorry for the whinge....... it must be the hormones.

Aprillbell - I thought I hadn't left you off the list but wasn't sure with my preggo brain so added you again - I will delete one - sorry. Also my boobs are killing me too - they have been tingly and tender for the whole time but now - OMG they feel heavy and achy.

Will run away now and try and think about some work I need to do.

hugs and belly rubs to you all!
I love EB and my DISG..... thanks

Circumcision, I agree with anna there. There is no medical justification for it so I would not get it done personally. Yes the odd child can have complications with the growth of the skin but that is no reason IMO to cut it off. We dont automatically get our tonsils or apendix out just in case... So no, if I am having a boy it wont even be considered. DH and I havent even talked about it, its a non issue in this household. But if you are considering it, please please please research it thoroughly before you make up your mind. I dont have a problem with others chosing the circ path aslong as they are knowledgable in what they are doing and not just doing it because they think its a done thing. Or because daddy is done... More kids nowa days arent circ and think that the boys locker room scenario, where everyone wants to look the same is far more important and emotionally challenging that whether its the same as daddys.

Anna,I have only ever met one man my age who was done that was born here anyway. Most arent thankfully and most hospitals wont even offer the service anymore. its becoming very uncommon.

Okay off my high horse..... Carefully, dont want to strain something.

Linda

And beck,
WELCOME TO PARENT HOOD. That niggly feeling never ever leaves...
wait till bubba starts school and you arent there to protect them anymore Its tough but you learn to give them the small amount of freedom they need, all the while deep in your heart there is that constat worry...what if... It NORMAL and to not feel it would be a concern

Just a quick one before we go to swimming. BBL for more personals.

Raven - yep very interested in the herbal stuff. Do you want to post it here -not sure if anyone else is interested - or PM me? I stopped taking Elevit after 2 days as it made my M/S worse so am not taking anything at the moment. Not so bad today though so fingers crossed!

Morning ladies...

OK... is there anyone else out there whose nipples seem to have a mind of their own?? Mine are soooooo sore and constantly hard, it's kinda like they're frozen and not getting any blood to them... that's why they hurt... kinda like an ice burn... WEIRD I know, but boy it's driving me crazy! I just want to hold my boobs all day!! I vaguely remember this from my last pregnancy!

Baby is redecorating this morning... it feels like she's moving bits and pieces of furniture in there!! Poking and prodding... I love the feeling though and really missed it after DD#1 was born.

imac isn't it amazing how many women come out of the woodwork when the topic of breastfeeding comes up. Especially when you've bottle fed, sometimes other women can be your worst enemy when it comes to these kinds of issues!! Ooooh, I'm hoping my placenta behaves just as yours did!!

sarahbush I think you have a great attitude in regards to breastfeeding!!

petie & aprillbell Good luck today with your scans!!

circumcision If we have a boy we won't be getting it done, we just don't think it's necessary even though DH is! My ob performs them too! Just not for us

purplebeck You'll go to your ob today and hear the heartbeat and everything will be just fine!

raven So true, at least I'll know if I start spotting where it's coming from! I've got my fingers crossed that the good ole placenta moves around too!

Well I better go and get some work done *grumble groan*... take care ladies and belly rubs to you all!

Feliss

OK... I just want to run this past you guys!! Is it me... or is this WEIRD

I was walking back from my lunch break and peered into a shop window... something caught my eye. It was one of those Chinese/Japanese health/chemist type stores. On the shelf in the window was a container of "Colostrum Tablets"... but then... even weirder, behind the "Colostrum Tablets" was a small tub of "Placenta Facial Cream". WHAT THE?!

AHhh i can't get my head in the right place, i would be more than happy at the moment to spend the rest of my pregnancy curled up on the couch and not venturing out in public, that has a huge effect on my uni stuff, i have only been to one class since before easter, i am keeping up with assignments but struggling with them.

I have called the councelling service at uni to try to get someone to fix me. I have even been avoiding phone calls and friends coming over.

I don't understand why i am isolating myself. Im driving myself nuts.

Oooh Feliss, watch out, they may try harvesting you
Colostrum and Placenta are meant to be excellent for skin and nutrients etc. My SIL actually took her placenta home and ate it ............eeeeew!

Petie,
I get like that a lot when pregnant. The couch is too tempting. I understand where you are coming from but please, be careful and get some help if you can because it can be a downward spiral if you let it.

Okay well I am off to get the girls from school and head to my US YIPEE

will update when i return.

linda

Imac - I'll post it all here when I get home... just about to leave work though...

THIS had me in stitches! Just the vision.... ROFL! (sorry! I know the pain, and it really hurts, but I only get it when cold or swimming, hurt so much I had to get out of the pool!)

Petie - Not sounding good hon, be really careful isolating yourself (I do it too). Seeing the councillor is a great idea, and maybe just going for a coffee with someone? (not easy, I know). Even talking on here is better than not, we are all here to listen. Maybe the baby is having a growth spurt and you are just drained?? I am always willing to help with uni stuff too, even if it is just structuring an essay or brainstorming, or referencing... lots of experience! big hugs.

Feliss - PMSL, colostrum in a bottle! Can't imagine it is very good... placenta? age old that one. I'm not sure I can bring myself to eat mine, even if it is supposed to stop PND!

BBL
anna

Hi everyone

MoT - I sort of know how you feel. I am also 1.5 hours from my hospital and am very concerned that I will have bubs on the side of the road. My labour with DS was very quick, once my waters broke, I had a few very intense and painful pushes and he was here, less than 20 minutes. I also ended up having stitches as it all happened so quick and tore. I was thinking that CS would be the safest option, as far as not getting caught out in the middle of no where on the side of the road, but then it scares the heck out of me as it is major surgery and they have to cut your stomach open. I don't know, I am so confused. Also, with DS, he was 9 days early, so there is a chance this one will be too.

I hope that all makes sense

purplebeck - I also know what you mean about not feeling bubs move. I haven't felt anything yet though, so I am really starting to worry that something is wrong. I have also been having the occasional stomach cramp too.

I still have another week until my scan, man it is taking forever.

Well, thats enough of my whinging and worrying

Will chat again soon

Aprillbell....Urrgghh....the thought of eating your own placenta..might be good for you...but the thought of it even makes me sick

Feliss...I'd be thinking the same as you "Colostrum Tablets" & "Placenta Facial Cream"...what the???

Petie & Aprillbell....Good Luck with today's scans...looking forward to seeing some piccies.

Beck...Your not alone about not feeling too much movement. I'm nearly 21wks & have still only felt a few. But the ones I have felt are enough for DH to feel too. Like a few of the girls have already said its still early days & it also depends on the position of the placenta.

Sarah...Re Circumcision....its a heavily debateable question!! Looks like I'm alone in this DIG regarding this topic . We had our DS circumcised when he was 5wks old (he's 2yrs at the end of this month) done with no problems at all. Its a personal thing that is left up to the parents. We did our research & believed for us it was the right thing to do for our son....like all other parents that choose not to get it done. The procedure done here in Brisbane no cutting at all was involved. You can check out the following website to make a more informed decision www.russellmedical.com.au. Some of the reasons we opted for it : (1) Circumcision can be expected to substantially reduce the risks of AIDS for males and their partners. (2) Neonatal circumcision prevents cancer of the penis, which only affects uncircumcised males. It is not rare in that population, affecting about one in 600 uncircumcised males older than 40. It usually results in amputation of the penis and is often fatal. & (3) Neonatal circumcision also prevents or reduces the risk of penile inflammatory conditions, some STDs and cancer of the cervix in female partners.

The pack I got from the hospital this time even had a brochure on circumsicion & its benefits. They estimate about 50% of boys still are circumsiced today. Also my friend's brother had it done when it was 20yrs old due to an infection...he was away with a few mates (camping) when it happened due to not cleansing properly. Obviously more painful to get it done later in life. Also my cousins boy had it done only last year (he was 10yrs old)....said he hated being different to the other boys in his class...said it was worth getting done. Obviously a hard decision to make but I'm sure you'll make the right choice for your son (if you have a boy that is).

Okay....will go now...rambled enough for now . Will BBL to see how everyone's scans went today.

Cheers,

Jules x

Hi All,

Petie - Take care of yourself and definitely seek out some help if you think it is more than just being a little down. There are a few of us here who have experienced PND (and yes you can get antenatal depression as well) and trust me it is better to get help sooner rather than later. Of course it might just be a hormone slump, but you don't want to spiral down at all - worst feeling. If you need to talk PM me as I've been there myself. Have you applied for special consideration at uni? Definitely worth doing as I work in the uni system and it is there for people in your situation.

Feliss- that is soooo gross! Hope you kept walking past VERY quickly. I think I'll stick to my innoxa thank you very much!

Sarah - circumcision is a big decision isn't it? My DH is, but we chose not to with DS as I just could not see the need - each to their own though. I've only known my Jewish friends to circumcise and none of the boys in our Mother's group (all 6 of them) are so am thinking my son won't be the odd one out at school.

Aprilbell and Petie- hope the US went well. Can't wait to hear all about it!

purplebeck - I am a complete worrier too so it's pretty normal when you are pregnant. I guess by checking with others (that's what we are here for) you can work out if they are things you should be worried about or not. And believe me, the worry just keeps going when they are born (sorry) - just a whole new set!!

Well I am over the moon. Just found out I get 48 weeks paid maternity leave! Can you believe that?? Our award changed a year or so ago and I hadn't checked what the latest was - the HR department told me today.

Better go and remove DS from in front of the tv. Very wet here today so far too much tv viewing happening.

My goodness... 3 posts in one day... you can tell whose boss is away today can't you!

Aprillbell I knew that the placenta was meant to be great for skin... but... hmmmm, I'm wondering what animal all this colostrum and placenta nutrients is coming from... surely it wouldn't be human???? I know someone who also took their placenta home and buried it under a tree!!

Raven You hit the nail on the head with the nipple problem!! It's like the kind of pain you get when you're really really cold... but I'm not cold and it's constant!! Anyone would think I was the guy on that chewing gum add... have you seen it??? His nipples grow so much that he's able to throw a frizbee with them!

petie I'm guessing the pregnancy hormones have a lot to answer for. You've taken the right step in contacting someone to talk to though. Take it easy and look after yourself!

imac 48wks paid maternity leave... BRILLIANT! Who do you work for and do they have any vacancies????? I get 12wks paid maternity leave which I'll take out over 24wks at half pay... every little bit counts!!

PMSL Feliss! I was thinking of that ad... but wasn't going to be the one to bring it up ROFL - its certainly how you feel you looks after BF!

Imac - OMG, that is just sooooo fab! wow, 48 weeks, sheesh!

Julie - I would be a bit curious to see where those stats came from about circumsising though.... not sure if I believe that one in 600 men (uncirc over 40 even) get penis cancer... and AIDS? no idea how on earth that works either. I'm not judging your decision in any way though, just wondering about the info that is all. The inflammatory thing is the only one I have heard, and it IS just a cleanliness thing..... so clean more (LOL).

Well, DD is outside playing on her own (shock!) so I am keeping quiet in here.... oops, spoke too soon, off I go!
anna

Gee you guys talk a lot, I was reading a few times today but had a really crappy day at work and didn't get a chance to post anything, so here I am, I think my temper is getting the better of me at work. I had so stupid lady from one of our other sections on the phone today and she just didn't get what I was telling her, It took me 3 phone calls and an e-mail to get through to her. The scarey part was it was HER job she didn't understand and I had to tell her how to do it. I just don't have any patience at the moment. Anyone else the same?
Maybe I can blame it on hormones!

Feliss74 Wish my boss would go away, for some reason today he was in an exceptionally helpful mood which is very unusual. Nipples; mine are all lumpy around them, feels sort of strange they are huge though. Not too sore only if I knock them or something like that.

imac As Feliss said have they got any jobs at your work. I was excited when they changed ours from 6 weeks to 8 weeks paid. I know a lot of banks pay the whole year though. Where do you live again that it's raining today? We have no sign of it here, would be nice though.

**julie** You seem to have done heaps of research of wether or not to get DS the 'snip' good on you. We decided against it for our DS and won't do it if this one is a boy either, but each to their own, it's one of those controvesial (sp?) topics isn't it. Sort of like bottle or breast feeding. Everyone has to make the "right" decision for them and that's all that matters.

AngelBabe Time always seems to drag on when you are waiting for something, it will be worth the wait, good lucj for when it finally does come around.

-Raven- I'm with you don't care what eating the placenta is supposed to do, I'm never doing it, did you check yours out after DD was born, I did it was very disgusting.

Aprillbell Awaiting your return with you great results, can't remember if you were finding out, you better post some piccys in photobucket to.

petie I can sympathise (sp?) with you, I don't even want to get out of bed in the morning and face another day at work, DH is working on his models all the time when he is home at the moment and it's starting to get me down, I'm sick of busting a gut to do everything, and also trying to keep up with work, have bought a whole heap home to do tonight and would rather just curl up on the couch and sleep. Take care of yourself, hopefully Uni can offer you some assistance.

Well guys I've reached the end of the previous 10 posts sorry to those I have missed, need to organise dinner for the kids, DH is going out with his boss for dinner. Then have to get stuck into the work I have bought home.

I have booked my 3D/4D scan for 28 weeks, anyone else getting this done?

BBL maybe.

Take Care

Katie

Just a quicky.
US was okay. Baby is perfect and measuring exactly on dates so all good except it was one uncooperative baby! Took 2 rather long hours for the sonographer to get the images.......sigh...... I am knackered

Baby was head down with its head right in the pelvis and noi matter what we did it wouldnt move out of there!!
Didnt find out sex.

but anyway all is good, theres only one and he/she is due same time as before Whoo Hoo

I am sleepy now though and have a headache so I am out of here


Linda

Julie,
On Circumcision, Every 'fact'you have stated is highly disputed. AIDS... safe sex is the only preventative... Cancer, men who have had a circ can and do get penile cancer, and are more likely to require full amputation as it generally starts in the foreskin so can easily be removed but if there is no foreskin it is on the actual penis itself. The cervical cancer one in women has been proven false numerous times. Its all based on what you read. If you read a 'Pro'website of course it will talk up the claims. Try this one http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm
It outlines both the pros and cons and the truths based on numerous doctors studies. It is not a pro or con site it is just a result of research.


But like I said. its a parents decision to make. As long as its an informed decision not just done for the hell of it then go for it!

JULES: Dont panic lovely your not alone, I to am a supportor of circumsision. I know the pros and cons and DH and i have made an informed decision that should we have a little boy he will be circumsised. Everyone is entitle to there opinion concerning this topic and its a very person choice. I respect everyone elses opionion and decision so please noone attack me over mine...

Aprilbell: Glad that you scan went well. i know exactly what your talking about. My little smurf was exactly the same, head right down in my pelvis. I have to go back and have another scan in three weeks cause we couldnt get all the pictures.

Katie: Im having my 3d done at 24 weeks through my Ob and then the girls from work will probably just keep scanning me every week till we get the best pic. The best time for 3d/4d is from 26- 28 weeks so hopefully youll get great pics.

IMAC: Wow cant believe you get 48 weeks paid maternity leave. What do you do?? I get 14 weeks paid and then 48 weeks unpaid..

Hey guys!

Re: circumsion - as always it is parent's choice. Personally I am not a supporter of circumsision except for medical or religious reason's... these days it is not as easy to find someone willing to do the procedure, especially in the public sector... I concur - safe sex practices are the best prevention for STI's... Circumsion CAN lead to sexual dysfunction, nerve damage, emotional/psychological problems (bizairre but true) and even death - and it is NOT the norm these days - boys who are circumsised are likely to 'look different' to their peers - when 30-40 years ago it was the reverse. Parents have the right to make an informed choice though... being aware that in newborns no anaesthetic is used (as it is deemed unsafe) and yes newborns DO feel pain. Personally I see it as genital mutilation - and there are cases of people suing becasue they were circumsised without consent as babies becasue evidence has not supported it to date... That said however, In my role, I support mothers in their choices, give them information pros and cons...

It seems this is a controversial topic, especially on EB - but as parents we have the right to make the choices we think is best for our children until they are old enough to make their own choices.

I would recommend viewing this... warning it may be distressing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNoqk

Its great to see this group is supportive of all members - its a credit to the DIS, as I have seen other forums of EB that are not as accepting of people who chose non-conventional options for their children... this really is an awesome group of women!

Imac - here is the nettle leaf infusion info I promised - for haemorraghing and many other ailments. sorry that this is long, but these are medicinal herbs and the more info the better as they are best taken strong. So here goes (tune out those who aren't interested!)

Stinging Nettle leaf is only to be taken at the end of your pregnancy (although some say safe throughout, see links below). I would suggest about 4 weeks before due, in rotation with RRL. And definitely after the birth.

Its benefits are: helps with reducing blood loss after birth, lactation, menopause(!lol), very good for odema (the fluid retention we all love), vitamin deficiencies and allergies especially. It is very very high in iron, - "high iron and chlorophyll content. It is also very high in the minerals calcium, magnesium, silicon, sulphur, copper, chromium, zinc, cobalt, potassium and phosphorus. Nettles also contain high amounts of vitamins A, C, D, E, and K as well as riboflavin and thiamine." The vitamin K content is enough to take away the need for that injection after birth for the baby apparently (I would believe it). Also, "Due to its high calcium content, the tea is specific for easing leg cramps and other muscles spasms, and also diminishes pain during and after birth" [from http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060517.htm]


Stinging Nettle Infusion

* Put 1 ounce of dried stinging nettle into a quart-sized canning jar (1 ltr).
* Boil a quart/ltr of water and pour it into the jar containing the herb. You won't be able to get all of the water into the jar because the herb will take up some room.
* Stir the herb to get the air bubbles out. There will now be room to pour some more water in.
* Put a tight lid on the jar and let it steep for a minimum of four hours. I make it in the evening and let it steep all night.
* The next morning, strain the plant material out and remove it. Squeeze any liquid from the plant material back into the jar.
* Give the plant material back to the earth. The liquid, which is the infusion, can be strained into another quart jar.

You can drink it at room temperature, heat it up, or ice it. You can put honey, milk, salt, or alcohol in it (or maybe not when pg LOL). Refrigerate what you do not drink, and consume within 2 days.

How often do you drink it?
Mostly, we rotate herbal infusions on a weekly basis (one ltr a day, or every 2 or 3 days even). So one week red rasberry leaf, one week nettle is very popular in pregnancy. Also helps you know what each herb is doing with your body, and gives your body time to react to each seperately. Not recommended to blend them.

And these articles about whether it is safe in pregnancy or not,

safe for pg women
http://health.howstuffworks.com/medical-us...r-nettle-ga.htm
http://www.fahc.org/Womens_Health/Midwifer...ving/herbs.html
http://www.babycenter.com/plus/safe/quest....QuestId=1137231

not sure, mentions research
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TKXuhVj...f+tea+research+ pregnancy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20

"Reduce excess menstrual flow" - which is why some worry
http://www.allnatural.net/herbpages/stinging-nettle.shtml

Mix it with a berry tea, or Roboois tea to make it taste better LOL

I buy if loose leaf at the local organic shop - a brown paper bag about as full as half an A4 piece of paper for around $5, much cheaper that tea bags, and way more effective than any tablets etc.

WARNINGS -one of the reasons it has these effects is that it is anti-inflammatory and slightly thins the blood. So not good for people with low blood pressure (yes, me included grrrr). Also, have a little bit first, rarely, but recorded, people get a body rash (harmless, goes away) from it. Also, it works on the kidneys a lot, normally a good thing - but NOT if you have kidney troubles. you also need to keep your fluids up , as it has a slightly duretic effect, and will help 'loosen the bowls' for some LOL, like we don't need that...

Ok, I think that covers everything... sorry to be so in depth, but I am not a herbalist and have to cover my bases.
nighty night

Hi ladies,

my 2 cents re circumsision.

We did not have our son done even though DH is. I guess we saw no good reason for it. Ds's ped offered after he had a double ingranal (sp?) hernia operation at 2 weeks and we said no, could not see the point.

I think this is an issue up there with cloth nappies, breastfeeding and c sections - it can cause alot of heat and people have very strong opinions.

Each to their own really.

Glad everyone is progressing well.


ETA - My delivery date is now the 10th of September but I thought if noone objected I would hang around here ????? Anyone mind.....
xxxxx

Morning Ladies,

Firstly, thank you for the support I received on here yesterday re: being worried about lack of movement from the baby! I went to my Ob yesterday and everything is fine - heard the little heartbeat (what a glorious sound) and I am right on track. the Ob said he could describe me in one word 'normal' - the first time I have ever been called that! Since conception (or my normal weight) I have put on 4 kgs - now I am 62.... was a bit of a shock to me as I didn't put on any from 12-16 weeks and then the whole 4kgs since then. All my clothes still fit me other than around the waist so I think it is all belly. Oh well I am not worrying I know weight gain is not constant or regular.

Fly - I understand completely about lack of patience - I seem to be working with some very stupid people at present or I am very intolerant. Cool - a 3D/4D scan at 28 weeks, no I am not having one of those - bummer..... make sure you post pics.

Imac - I nearly fell off the chair here at work. 48 weeks paid leave WOO HOO, how exciting and what a surprise for you. I wish I would get even 1-2 weeks paid!

Petie - as others have said we all can feel this way and to a certain degree it is fine, but please grab help if you need it and talk to us here. I second imac re: getting special consideration at uni.

Angelbabe - as others said to me - try not to worry too much about non-movement. As my Ob said it is still only little and has to do big kicks for you to feel them and that is if it is in the right spot. it is probably having a ball in there and we just don't know what antics it is getting up to.

Jules / Tarli and others who have contributed to the Circumcision debate - it is what my DH and I are currently going through at the moment as well. At this point we are both leaning towards it but will do more research. Thanks for those with links for info and as bananafishbones said it is great to have a group of women who respect each others decisions.

Aprillbell - Congratulations on the scan results - 2 hours being scanned though - you must be tired. I hope the sonographer wasn't too rough on your tummy to try and get the pics.

Thank goodness it is Friday - have a fab day all. Marsbars, Ginny, Tictacs, Kylie and Sam - good luck on your scans today.....

MummytoJack - Of course you are welcome to stay with us even though your due date is earlier - we wouldn't want it any other way!

BBL, BECK

ahh more awake today
Man I was a mess last night. The US gave me the biggest headache so I came home posted fed the kids and more or less was in bed by 7:30.

Anyway more detail.
Bubba is measuring exact on dates, placenta is lying along my back/spine as it always is with my kids. and bubba is a wriggler! No wonder I feel all this movement!
Head was well and truly down, hence the 2 hours SIGH>.... But I guessed that anyway. Can sort of feel it in there

Anyway I am glad its over. Kids enjoyed it for a little while but got bored. I was put into some awful positions (bum raised etc etc) and it gave me the biggest headache being on my back and head below waist for so long. Needless to say my blood pressure was really low when I saw my MW afterwards but she wasnt concerned. Have a couople pics I will put up once little miss#3 is off to the inlaws ( I love fridays)

I can say for certain I will not be bothering with an US next time..... (yes I know MAD, already planning #5!!) really wasnt pleasant


GL to all having scans today, hope it isnt as long and uncomfortable as mine was.


Linda

Linda - congrats on the scan! Well, sort of.. the results are great, the process sux. I really didn't like mine either and it was only about an hour... so I can only imagine 2 hours.

I'm having PC dramas today, hating Dell a lot right now grr. Oh well!
anna

Hi all. Now how am I supposed to keep up with personals when you are all so chatty? I love it though - feels like a nice big bunch of girlfriends. And I am very impressed the circumcision debate has not been nasty - there was a particularly nasty one on the Pregnancy forum about pain relief recently. Given there is no right or wrong, just personal preferences it is good that we can air our points of view nicely!

MoT- hope your headache goes away soon. No chance of a rest for you! Glad your DS is okay. My DS has had croup a couple of times... so scary. We were at the docs last night as I found an abcess on his gum yesterday - poor boy.

Raven- thanks for that info. A friend of mine is a herbalist so he's been helping me with stuff for sleep and also for my thyroid... so will get him to make up some of the stinging nettle as well. Anything to prevent that again!

Aprilbell- glad the measurements were all fine. Sounded like such an ordeal though. Poor thing. I can't believe you are thinking of number 5... there is no way I'm getting pregnant again after this one (if my first pregnancy had been like this DS would be an only child). Remind me of that in the future will you?

purplebeck- glad you are "normal"! Well done... it's nice to be average with some things isn't it? The weight gain sounds promising for you too. I've put on 5 kgs this time, about the same as I had with DS - despite feeling like I am eating everything in sight.

Tarli - How exciting that you can get scans done frequently. That must be reassuring.

I work in the uni system and they have the most generous maternity conditions - probably because they are trying to encourage a younger, female demographic. When I come back they even pay me 12 weeks salary that I can use for childcare, reduced load etc.

mummytojack- definitely stick around. These bubs have minds of their own anyway so who knows when they will actually arrive!

And me... I am feeling crap today. Still very nauseous and very tired (not sleeping well again at the moment). So am hanging out for the end of the day - I'm over work today!

Good luck to everyone having scans today!

Mum of Twins - a GREAT DANE - oooohhhhhh! We have an 18 month old Lab and the next/2nd dog we get will be a GD. They are lovely. beautiful nature, personality and just a lovely all round big dog. Tana (our Lab) plays with 2 GD's one nearly 2 and one 9 months old and they are adorable. The owner has kids not young but 10+ and they are great with them. The only thing that I know of that you have to watch for is walking them. We walk Tana off lead most of the time because he is so good but with a GD I don't think it is an option, they can be chasers (of cats, etc). Saying that - I guess as all dogs can be, they can be trained. Also - they can (as you know) have great strength behind them so pulling on the lead and being in control can be an issue. You would have to say who was the boss from the outset. Although any dog can be dominant if given the chance.

Meanwhile - have you looked at rescuing one? or do you want a puppy? JIC GD Rehoming and Rescue

My best friend had a GD whilst I was growing up and he was the gentlest giant ever. They are wonderful!

Good luck! If you want more info on rescuing PM me - my mum is very involved in it.

Cheers, BECK

Hi All,

Feeling a bit down & hesistant about coming back here...as I felt a little 'attacked' last time after I posted re circumision. I know it's a widely debated topic but I was replying to Sarah from the other side of the fence...as a few here are in disagreeance with getting it done....which is fine & I don't judge their opinions. Sometimes its nice to hear the other side of it as well. As I said before, the procedure my DS had done their was NO cutting whatsoever involved....as they used the plastic circumcision device & there's NO RISK involved in this method & pain relief IS used. Two years ago when we had him done...I nearly had to wait for 3mths but luckily there was a cancellation earlier. Back then they did approx. 400 p/mth & thats just from one surgery. This surgery has a good reputation & thats all they do. We only did what we thought is best for our son & would never risk any harm whatsoever to him...we love him too dearly for that.

Hi Julie... please don't feel hesitant about coming back. I for one am a big believer in doing what is right for you and your child... we all have our own opinions about these things! And here I was in my earlier post saying wasn't it great that we could talk about these things without them turning nasty - not realising you already felt like you had been attacked. I'm sure that wasn't anyone's intention. I guess perhaps it is one of those contentious issues like pain relief in labour - some people feel very strongly about them. I myself don't have a strong opinion either way. I wouldn't do it with my boy/s but would not judge someone else for doing it with their kids. Each to their own.

Julie, I am sorry you feel that way, I was personally very interested in hearing your opinions and your experience as well as everyone elses. We all make decisions for the reasons we believe in which is totally our right and choice and others who have differing opinions are of course able to have them and voice them but at no point should we think that you would do anything to the detriment of your child or that you love them any less.

Mum of Twins - sorry I didn't actually check the website out to see if there were any for rescue before posting the link. Another great website for information, puppies and rescue is Dogzonline, they are great! Yes I do love them! Keep me informed!

Sorry gotta fly, BBL.

MoT - can you add me to "it's a surprise".

Well, I've had enough of work (or sitting pretending to work) so I'm off to pick up DS and go to medicare (what an exciting life I lead). BBL to check in on those scans.

Julie: i felt abit the way you did. There were a couple of snide uncalled for remarks, that were i bit below the belt (excuse the pun). but as you and everyone else says its a personal choice and there should be no attacking of ones choice. We have all been supprortive of each other and this support should continue cause god knows its only gonna get harder.. No one has been attacked over there choice of birth plans or feeding process and i dont think anyone should be made feel bad over there choice in this matter.. Who ever you talk to have strong opinions on any topic you raise. Its the way that they convey these opionins that matters and what make people listen tothem. You dont have to be in your face and smart at someone decision or opinion cause it differs from your own... I truely believe that the comments we have both been upset by werent meant to come across that way.. We all must remember that in a chat room there is no emotion in what we say so its hard to determine the way something was meant to sound..Please dont leave the DIG...you belong just as much as everyone else does... Everyone is here to support you and be supported by you...