Hi Ladies
I am at a bit of a loss and need some advice as I'm starting to feel like a useless parent here.
My DD is turning 5 in 4 weeks time and is still not TT at night. She was TT during the day by age 2 without a problem.
At night she goes to bed with a Pull Up on and by morning the Pull Up is so full its bulging.
I have tried sending her to bed without one but she sleeps thru wetting the bed and wakes up in the morning saturated.
After experimenting with the above my intention was to wait until her Pull Ups became less wet and try again, but given her age now I am concerned this is not the right way to go. Both DH and I wet the bed as kids and this is also playing on my mind she will follow suit.
I am thinking about ordering a Slumber Dry but would very much appreciate some advice as to what I should really do about this. DD#2 is now 3.5 and obviously my next concern is TT her at night. Should I try and TT both at once as they share a room?
Any advice would sincerely be wonderful...

My friend recently got her 6 year old to finally be dry at night by buying some sort of sensor that alarms when any liquid comes into contact so she could get up and go to the loo. Sorry not sure of the name but maybe you could ask at the chemist or call a baby store??

Thanks for your replies girls....
A Slumber Dry is a mattress protector that goes over the sheet rather than under it, and its also like a pad, rather than covering the entire mattress if that makes sense.
I believe it absorbs up to 2 ltrs of fluid or so, so if your little one wets, you shouldnt need to change the sheets, just PJs.

Saw this on Dr. Phil a while ago and he said it was a hereditary condition. So as both yourself and your husband wet the bed, there is a greater chance that your kids will as well. The only bit of advice that I remember him saying was that if they wet the bed and wake up, make them help you re-make the bed. This isn't to punish them, but to make sure they fully wake up and are totally aware of what has happened.

Have you spoken to your doctor about it? There is a hormone in the brain that concentrates your wee during the night, which is why you can go so long without needing to go. I know when my brother was 5 they gave him a synthetic form of this hormone as he wet the bed - but this was 30 years ago, so they might not do it anymore. Worth asking about though.

Don't blame yourself for it - you are not a bad parent for her not being TT at night. It is mother nature at work here.

Cymantha
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Don't stress, I know its frustrating but it is in no way your fault or even hers. It is just something that eventually kicks in. Docs are not concerned before 7 years and dont even bother with medications etc until 12 years. You are certainly not alone it is very common.

Some advice I can give however is that some of the things we see as helpful to the situation are actually more harmful. For egsample,

Dont cut down liquid intake at all, increase the amount of water if anything as it helps train the bladder to stretch and hold more. Although I doubt she has any caffeen, make sure she does not, like coke etc.

Getting them up to go to the toilet is not helping either as they are emptying the bladder before it is full so not training it correctly as such.

Also pull ups can create another problem, how do you know that the child is not waking and just too lazy or scared to get up to go to the toilet. They think, ah, I have a nappy on, why bother. Unfortunately for DSD she admitted this when she was 3 so we never put them on her again.

Now having said that, I still get up DSD purely because I HATE CHANGING THE SHEETS!!! However she generally wets at around the same time every night so I sort of try to wake her just before then in the hope that it helps her get used to waking at that time to go. So I am probably doing more harm than good, but just thought I would pass on the info!! BTW, she is 8 and the docs are still not too worried.

As for the alarm thing, I dont think it would be any good for us as she is such a heavy sleeper, the other night DS1 had been playing with her alarm clock and turned the alarm on, it went off full volume at midnight (a lot louder then one of those bed alarms) it woke me and DH up in another room with both doors closed and she did not even hear it right beside her bed!! She does not even wake for the fire alarm.

I am night tt my dd at the moment and she turns 5 in July. I have a night time alarm what someone else suggested. That was the way that I was night trained, as my mother did it for me. I use to wee 2/3 times a night, and it worked for me over 2 months. I am doing my dd at the moment and it is killing me, she woke up wet three times last night and I am hoping it will improve soon. I have only been using the alarm system since Tuesday evening so it is only early days yet. I know that there will work in the end (I hope). My sister and my brother were both done this way too and it worked on them.

It is a mat that is put on the bed and as soon as it gets wet then the alarm goes off. My dd has to turn the alarm off and make sure they are awake enough for this to happen and then she goes to the toilet. Once she has completed her wee then she must changer her own pj's. She has to wipe down the mat and then help change the sheets. I think this must have something to do with making sure they are awake. I hear the alarm go off and I go to my dd and she is still asleep, she obviously can sleep through anything, but over time I am sure she will wake up.

I will let you know how I go in the future if you want.

To hire them you can get them from chemists and $60 deposit and then $60 per month or $20 per week. I have it for a month and if I need it longer then I will just extend it. They do say that for a child to be night trained they need to go 14 nights in a row. Even if they wet at night 10, they still are not night trained!!

My younger dd that will be 3 this month is nearly night trained. She has woken up dry in her nappies for quite a while now. She has been in undies at night time for a little while, but she will wee maybe once every 10 nights. So she isn't really night trained just yet. I might see how my eldest dd goes, and if the alarm system is available I will just do my younger dd, just to get her to the 14 nights.

My mother had sucess over about 30 years ago and they are still around with lots of success. I rekon they are tried and tested.

HTH's

Jens
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Well I thought I would let you know about my dd's night time training. She is still using the alarm at night time. The alarm has been going off about 2 to 3 times a night from weeing. Well last night was the first night that I heard her say Mummy I need to do a wee. She had actually woken up before she even wet and went to the toilet and did a huge wee. I was so impressed that I am hoping it happens tonight.

She has always being a really heavy sleeper at night, but it seems to be sinking in. We have been using the alarm system since the 1st of March. They do say that you won't get any sleep for the first 2 to 4 weeks because you are up and down with the alarm going off. It has been under 2 weeks at the moment. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks. They do say that for them to be night trained they have to go 14 nights in a row. She has been really getting into helping with the wiping down of the mat and changing the sheets, she has been a great helper. I am hoping it continues!!

If anyone wants to know any other questions then just ask. Oilucy what did you decide to do, did you order the slumber dry? HTH's

Jens
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Jacinta March 2002
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Should or should you not wake the child in the middle of the night to do a pee. I do with my 3yr girl and usually I get in quick. I am most of the time lucky sometimes not, 3 in the last week in a row. oh what to do! lol. I suppose you just keep on keeping on.
Amelissa

My DD is now 6 and only started being dry at night at 5 1/2. I find now that she will have a wet night after having any coke and sometimes fizzy drinks in general. So at least I can keep her away from those or I can 'plan' around it if its a special occasion. I am considering taking her to the doc to get the nasal spray that apparently you use when needed (e.g. sleep overs) I'm pretty sure she would stay dry but I would feel so bad for her if she had an accident at someone elses house. Has anyone used the spray and does it have any side effects??


My 4 yr DD is now wet every night (she was dry for six months) and uses pullups. I figure because my other dd grew out of it we'll just wait and see if she does. Unfortunately she hates wearing them and doesnt feel like a 'big girl' despite our reassurances. But she sleeps thru as well if she wears knickers and I would rather her have a good nights sleep!

My dd woke us up at 5:30am this morning to do a wee. The night before she woke up wet because the alarm is playing up a bit. This morning she woke herself up and told us. She has been using the alarm for two weeks on Tuesday and there is definately progress. My dd never ever woke up dry in a nappy at all!! She has gone from weeing in the night 2 to 3 times down to none at the moment, keeping my fingers crossed!! I do recommend the bed alarm because it is definately working on my dd. I worked on me as a child and my other sister and brother.

They do say though that for them to called night trained they have to go 14 nights in a row!!

I haven't tried the nasal spray, but I would love to hear about it.

Jens
Samantha July 2000
Jacinta March 2002
Lachlan September 2003
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This message was edited by Jen1 on Sunday, 13 March 2005 @ 11:15 AM

Well I have had three nights in a row success with the bed wetting alarm. My dd just gets up in the night and goes to the toilet all by herself. She seems to be able to go to the toilet at 7pm and then get up around 5:30am in the morning and go and then go back to sleep.
This is a massive step from someone that not once woke up with a dry nappy and had to wear extra pads in her nappies as she weed too much.

I rekon if you want to night train any children then the alarm system works a treat!!! I would recommend it to anyone

Jens
Samantha July 2000
Jacinta March 2002
Lachlan September 2003
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I don't want to brag or anything but my dd has now gone 7 nights in a row without being wet.

All I can say is that the bed wetting alarm has been the best thing for night tt my dd and I would definately recommend it to anyone!!

Jens
Samantha July 2000
Jacinta March 2002
Lachlan September 2003
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