[UgglePuggle]

This. You'll need to have full permission from your photographer in order to have them edited. At the end of the day, you might not like them, but they are her artistic vision and her intellectual property, and you'll need permission to make any changes to them

I'm so sorry you've been through this, it's awful when this happens and I really do feel for you.

Perhaps you could find someone in your area to do a shoot in your wedding outfits. I had a client recently do this, they were married overseas and didn't really like their photographs, so she had her hair and makeup done, got re-dressed and the two of them had some bridal portraits taken. I'm not sure what area you're in, and I know it's not the same as your wedding day, but perhaps you can find someone local to you that might be able to do it for you and at least give you some really beautiful portraits in your wedding dress etc.

All the best. I hope the photographer gives you permission, so that someone can have a crack at them for you

How would she know?

[~BumbleBeeeee~]

QUOTE (~BumbleBeeeee~ @ 07/03/2012, 07:49 PM) *
This. You'll need to have full permission from your photographer in order to have them edited. At the end of the day, you might not like them, but they are her artistic vision and her intellectual property, and you'll need permission to make any changes to them sad.gif

I'm so sorry you've been through this, it's awful when this happens and I really do feel for you.

Perhaps you could find someone in your area to do a shoot in your wedding outfits. I had a client recently do this, they were married overseas and didn't really like their photographs, so she had her hair and makeup done, got re-dressed and the two of them had some bridal portraits taken. I'm not sure what area you're in, and I know it's not the same as your wedding day, but perhaps you can find someone local to you that might be able to do it for you and at least give you some really beautiful portraits in your wedding dress etc.

All the best. I hope the photographer gives you permission, so that someone can have a crack at them for you original.gif

How would she know?

Are you serious?

As a professional photographer, that question alone makes me so sad. I would like to think that the OP would do the right thing by the photographer. If she does it, and if she was ever caught, she would be in breach of contract.

Seriously...you're saying she should just go and do it and not care about legalities or the fact that she would just not be doing the right thing?

It makes me so, so sad that people think it's okay to do this.

[Kay1]

It depends what the arrangement was. If she bought the digital images - on disk then I think she is entitled to do whatever she wants with them. If the photographer wanted to guards against that she should not have provided the digital images, or should have watermarked them.

[Spring Chickadee]

This. You'll need to have full permission from your photographer in order to have them edited. At the end of the day, you might not like them, but they are her artistic vision and her intellectual property, and you'll need permission to make any changes to them

I think the photographer has done the wrong thing by you so I wouldnt feel the slightest bit guilty having them retouched. she should have realised the images were not good enough and retouched the images (in not offering I can only assume she doesnt have the skill and therefore should not have marketed herself as a professional). I would have the photos retouched and not bother asking for her permission and wouldnt feel the sightest bit bad about it. She'll never know anyway and you'll get the wedding photos you deserve.

My Photographs were brilliant for my wedding and I have still made additional versions from those (cropping different areas, B&W, brightness/contrast etc). it's my face and the photos were purchased for my personal use.

ETA- if you dont want to spend any money and want to have a play around yourself you can download a free 30 day trial of photoshop and you could google tutorials on how to brighten the images. it wont be the same as getting them professionally done but it will be alot better:)

This post has been edited by Spring Chickadee 2: 07/03/2012, 07:36 PM

[Sweet Chilli Phi...]

It depends what the arrangement was. If she bought the digital images - on disk then I think she is entitled to do whatever she wants with them. If the photographer wanted to guards against that she should not have provided the digital images, or should have watermarked them.

I can't believe people think this is okay! If you have signed a contract then you are breaking a legal document!

You can't do what you want with the files just because you have them given by the photographer...that is why a contract is in place! Otherwise why bother getting one signed if you can't follow it.

Sorry to hear that the OP wasn't happy with the files but that doesn't give anyone the right to edit the files without full permission from the photographer.

This post has been edited by Sweet Chilli Philly: 07/03/2012, 07:33 PM

[~BumbleBeeeee~]

It depends what the arrangement was. If she bought the digital images - on disk then I think she is entitled to do whatever she wants with them. If the photographer wanted to guards against that she should not have provided the digital images, or should have watermarked them.

This isn't true...it depends on what she's signed in her contract.

I provide digital images for a wedding, but in the contract, signed by both parties, it states that they are not to be altered, changed, digitally manipulated in any way, shape or form. The client buys a COPY of them, not the copyright.

My clients buy their digital images, yes. But that's it. They can't change them. They can't just go and do whatever the heck they like to them. They can print them, they can share on facebook or via email...things like that. But they can't change them. It is part of their contract and so if they DID decide to do something to them, they would be in breach of contract.

[~BumbleBeeeee~]

I think the photographer has done the wrong thing by you so I wouldnt feel the slightest bit guilty having them retouched. she should have realised the images were not good enough and retouched the images (in not offering I can only assume she doesnt have the skill and therefore should not have marketed herself as a professional). I would have the photos retouched and not bother asking for her permission and wouldnt feel the sightest bit bad about it. She'll never know anyway and you'll get the wedding photos you deserve.

My Photographs were brilliant for my wedding and I have still made additional versions from those (cropping different areas, B&W, brightness/contrast etc). it's my face and the photos were purchased for my personal use.

Honestly, it's this kind of attitude that makes photographers not want to provide digital images to people.

I simply can not believe that people think it's okay to do this. Talk about an eye opener!!!!

[Sweet Chilli Phi...]

I agree ~BumbleBeeeee~ my jaw just dropped.

I can't believe people think this is ok...

Would you take a painting of van Gogh and add your own brush strokes???

Why choose a photographer if you are just going to edit them yourself afterwards? What happened to choosing a photographer because of their art, which if you go editing it pretty much nulls and voids it..

This is why you should at least look at one full wedding prior to choosing your photographer so you know what you are going to end up with....

This post has been edited by Sweet Chilli Philly: 07/03/2012, 07:45 PM

[Kay1]

I can't believe people think this is okay! If you have signed a contract then you are breaking a legal document!

Chill. I said it depends what the arrangement was. How do you know what the contract (if there was one) said. If there wasn't one and there are no watermarks then I think she has every right to alter them. If there was one and it says she may not alter them then of course she legally can't.

Would I - if they were the only records of my WEDDING and I had already registered my dissatisfaction with the photographer to no avail.....? In circumstances where doing so would not in any way hurt the photographer or her business, or even be known to anyone except myself.....well I'd sure be tempted.

[Spring Chickadee]

Honestly, it's this kind of attitude that makes photographers not want to provide digital images to people.

This thread is actually the first time I've even considered I wouldnt be able to play around with the images I had purchased. I also have bought a painted artwork and 'added' to it to match in with some other colours in the room it was in and edited music to match a home video it was being inserted into (cutting and piecing together differnet parts). I also purchase d a custom made necklace....and changed it.

I told my photographer I didnt want the prints or the albums or any of that, I just wanted the thousands of full res images to do with what I pleased. Come to think of it I cant remember signing anything, I just paid for the photographer before the wedding date.

I cant say I feel guilty about it given;
A) I have purchased the images (therefore they have benefited from the transaction)
B) I am not changing them or using them for commercial gain
C) The Photographer will never have their feelings hurt as they will never know

But I can see why photographers would be horrified to imagine their images being changed.