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02/01/2013, 06:47 AM
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I had an infuriating conversation with my SIL yesterday about this topic and I'm just hoping that some EBers can help me understand her point of view.
Her view was that a marriage was something between a man and a woman, before god, who could then go on and make babies. That therefore meant that same sex couples could not marry because the church would not recognise it, and they couldn't naturally make a baby.
I said, then in that case, according to her view of what marriage was, I wasn't properly married, because god never even entered into it for me. I was married in a park, with a celebrant. Follow on with some rubbish about that not being right, because she believes in god, and he is everywhere, therefor if she was at my wedding then so was he.
I then said that same sex couples had fertility options available to them much in the same way that man/woman couples do, so that takes away the problem of being unable to have children and she then decided that SS couples could have and agreement but they couldn't have a marriage because a marriage is unique. Cue me even more frustrated, saying that actually, a SS couple is far more unique than a traditional man/woman couple. She doesn't see the problem with just calling it a partnership, but that just seems so 2 dimensional to me. Like a business arrangement or something.
I know that most here will agree with SS marriage, but those that don't, please help me see her side of this? I just don't understand the problem.
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02/01/2013, 06:59 AM
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QUOTE (Copacetic @ 02/01/2013, 07:47 AM)  Her view was that a marriage was something between a man and a woman, before god, who could then go on and make babies. That therefore meant that same sex couples could not marry because the church would not recognise it, and they couldn't naturally make a baby. And yet so many hetrosexual couples do not marry in a Church, so many beliefs besides Christianity, so many married couples struggling to conceive and if she is into biblical type marriages then surely she does not object to her husband taking another wife or two and a few concubines... Sorry, can't help.
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02/01/2013, 07:36 AM
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In my opinion marriage has very little to do with religion. (Or why would an atheist bother?) I woulodnt even bother arguing the point with someone who has already amde up there mind. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions, but know that your not alone is being cross at this short sighted view point.
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02/01/2013, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE (Jane Jetson @ 02/01/2013, 08:27 AM)  One argument I have seen a lot is that some people, including a lot of Christians, see men and women as having a particular role in a marriage. This is generally that the man is the dominant party and "lovingly" makes all the decisions and guides his wife, while his wife does all the submitting and doing as she's told.
A SS marriage therefore can't work, because with two men in a relationship how can one automatically be the head of the family simply because he has testicles?
It's certainly not an argument I believe in - and if SS marriage was to actually undermine this kind of marriage as constantly claimed I am all for it - but it's one I've heard posed. This is BS for the majority of Christians and I'm sad you've lumped all billion+ believers into one package. Some families may run like this, but certainly not all. I am a Christian and I have no problem with SS marriage.  I know, fall down in a swoon. I think where your friend is coming from is that the institution of marriage, as a term and an entity, should be between a man and a woman. For those who are same-sex, perhaps there should be another form of unity? I had a gay friend tell me once that this is what he believed. I'm not saying I agree with his stance, but nonetheless, it may be an explanation? (edited for grammar)
This post has been edited by Bartholomew: 02/01/2013, 07:40 AM
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02/01/2013, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (Bartholomew @ 02/01/2013, 08:37 AM)  This is BS for the majority of Christians and I'm sad you've lumped all billion+ believers into one package. Some families may run like this, but certainly not all. I am a Christian and I have no problem with SS marriage.  I know, fall down in a swoon. So am I. If you actually read my post, you'll see that I've written QUOTE some people, including a lot of Christians How you've managed to interpret this as "all billion+ believers" (including myself) I have no idea.
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