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> Should the 'faith and religion' section of EB be re-branded tas 'belief systems'

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post 16/12/2012, 10:38 AM
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I believe it should, because apparently you aren't allowed to post anything to do with atheism in this sub-forum, yet atheists do not have a 'protected' forum of their own but must resort to the general boards, or so I have just been told by a moderator after my posts were deleted from a thread because they weren't supportive of the 'faith and religion' section as they expressed an alternative viewpoint.

I would argue that atheism is just as valid a belief system as Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism or Islam etc. and if it's good enough for religious groups to have a protected sub-forum for discussion then so should atheists. Or at the very least faith and religion needs to be expanded to cover all belief systems.



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post 16/12/2012, 10:40 AM
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I never saw atheism as a belief system, more as an absence of belief in deity. I would be interested to hear in what way atheism is a belief system.

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post 16/12/2012, 10:46 AM
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I don't consider atheism a belief system and nor would I want to see an atheist section.

However unless you were very rude I think it's disgusting that you were turfed out of the religion section. An alternative viewpoint, respectfully delivered, is not inappropriate.

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post 16/12/2012, 10:47 AM
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You could argue Howdo that the belief of the absence of a deity, and faith in humanity is a belief system. Perhaps I should use the term 'secular humanist'. I realise that there is debate as to whether atheism is a belief system at all, however, I find it grossly unfair that atheists (or indeed secular humanists) cannot express an alternative viewpoint on that sub-forum yet cannot have sub-forum of their own. There is an inequity there that really rubs me the wrong way.

Do you have another suggestion for a name for the sub-forum that encompasses all viewpoints on the subject?

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post 16/12/2012, 10:48 AM
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It seems to me that a lot of atheists are as zealous about their belief that there is no god or superior power to humans as any other religious group. Belief systems works for me. Also because Buddhism is primarily a philosophy, not a faith or religion.
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post 16/12/2012, 10:49 AM
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post 16/12/2012, 10:51 AM
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I read your post in the other thread before it was deleted and I completely agree with you.
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post 16/12/2012, 10:53 AM
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I am not generally a zealot at all about my viewpoint, but I am very annoyed at the suggestion that you cannot have a viewpoint or express an opinion in that sub-forum if it doesn't fit with the dominant paradigm of that sub-forum.

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post 16/12/2012, 10:55 AM
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Agreed. This is a public forum and disagreement should be allowed. This shouldn't be a safe place for zealots.
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I think atheism is a belief system, but most atheists don't seem to share that view.

I think the belief in god or not gets discussed on EB fairly openly and fairly. The point of the Faith and Religion thread is to allow people with faith to talk about it without every thread turning into an atheist/theist debate. Sometimes you just want to know what to wear to a baptism without having to justify your entire faith and defend the church's history.

I don't know what your post was, OP, but I just looked at that thread and it seemed like the OP was just asking a simple question and then got lectures for supposedly shoving her religion down her sister's throat. Yet the OP was quite clear about the fact that she never did that, nor wanted to.
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