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Faith?, A Question
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08/12/2012, 02:11 PM
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So I've been a Christian but not really practising for a few years, though we've dabbled and will find a place to go again one day. One reason I struggle to get back into a church is how naive I think some christians are.
One thing I would like to know your impression on:
At the moment we're going through some difficult issues. Everyone around me keeps saying having faith, and God will help you find a way so have faith - and the 'I believe everything happens for a reason' and so forth. But I struggle with this. Because I don't understand why the first world issues should be met when there are millions of people around the world who are eating out of garbage bins and struggling for a piece of bread to eat. Why should God provide for my needs simply 'if I have faith' when he doesn't supply their needs?
So I would love a Christian, and even non-christian perspective on this. This is why I struggle going back to church. I would have a hard time just saying 'Oh it is a part of God's will', or to 'Have Faith in that God will open a door, or provide my needs' when I am sure there are millions of people crying out to have their needs met yet God is obviously not throwing down dollars or bread in their path.
As said, I am on no sides of the fence so happy to hear both opinions. But I have a lot of difficulty praying for God to meet my needs when I feel it is a selfish prayer, when it such a lesser need than those all over the world who don't have enough food or water to survive.
This post has been edited by Katakacpk: 08/12/2012, 02:12 PM
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08/12/2012, 02:43 PM
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I think there are a few separate issues tangled up in what you're asking.
First up, I definitely take issue with the idea that if we have enough faith when we ask God for something, we'll get what we ask for. What does that even mean? How do we measure "enough" of an intangible like faith except by seeing who doesn't get what they ask for and blaming them? I think it's more the other way around; faith looks at what one has and says "It is enough."
I'm also disturbed at the way this discussion always happens on a very individualistic basis. God calls Christians to function in unity, as one body, and the fact that some go without is I think much more of a judgement on the community of faith than it is on the individual whom the community is often all too quick to scapegoat.
I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for things for ourselves in prayer, even though others also have needs. I'm sure Lazarus wasn't the only guy who was sick the day his sisters sent for Jesus. But I think it's one of the constant challenges in the spiritual life, to cope with the fact that we don't get everything we ask for, and sometimes God's way of dealing with us leaves us baffled, hurt, angry, and lost.
I feel that's a beginning but a very inadequate response; I'm also looking forward to seeing what others say.
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08/12/2012, 04:57 PM
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Here's a bit of reading for 'why does God allow suffering'
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08/12/2012, 06:50 PM
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Hi OP, I think your question is a good one, and I also think that God welcomes our questions and struggles, because to me, I think that that shows that we are wanting Him to be involved in our lives, but that we just can't comprehend how He could possibly be interested in us as individuals. I have been a Christian for many years, but my early faith journey was one of fear of a God who would condem me to hell, if I didn't follow a pious and religious looking life. Statements like the one you mention "everything happens for a reason" don't really help me, when the world is crashing down and I fell like my life is in the toilet. This year has been a huge struggle for me - the deaths of 5 people close to me, my youngest son being diagnosed with aspergers syndrome, my mum being seriously ill in ICU and the doctors telling us they didnt know what else to do, ongoing health struggles for me. The list goes on. I didn't need or want to hear platitudes from well meaning Christians, but I didn't really know what I did need. I'm not a person whon"hears" God audibly, though i appreciate that some do, and I can't really explain how I became aware of the following, but it was like an inner awareness. Anyway, one night, I sat and sobbed my heart out. I cried to God that it was all too hard, that I couldn't do it anymore, that I wanted out, and that I didn't think He could understand my pain. Somehow, God reminded me that He had lived as a man, He knew what it was to lose someone he loved, he knew what it was to have a child that others didn't understand, are knew what it was to watch someone he loved suffer. He felt pain, he worked in a real job. So many things about the incarnation made sense to me. God didn't have to come to earth as Jesus, but the fact that he did shows me that he feels my pain, and my joy. That night, I was reminded again that I am actually a beloved child of God. It's not whether things happen for a reason or not that is important. The world is a corrupted version of Gods plan, so corrupted things will happen. The important thing for me, is that I'm not in it alone. I would encourage you to find a church that welcomes people without judgement or expectation. They do exist - I go to one  find a faith community where it is ok to admit you have questions and where discussion about the reality of faith and life are open and often, and most importantly, a space where you don't have to agree with everything the minister says!!! Oh, and I highly recommend getting a copy of The Message translation of the Bible - it is written in a very personal style - and start reading
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