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#1 zoelicious

Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:02 AM

I truly believe getting pregnant with IVF is pot luck, luck of the draw.

You can transfer poor quality embryos and still fall pregnant, you can transfer great looking embryos and not fall pregnant.

You can transfer a 2 day embryo and fall pregnant and you can transfer a blast and not fall pregnant.

What do you think? Pot luck, am interested to hear your thoughts.

xx

#2 spottydog

Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

Its such a numbers game, its like the lottery.... so yes i agree its a bit of pot luck.

I have always had 5 day blasts transfered and have had success once, and the rest MC or Chemical pregnancies.... and a friend of mine had a rubbish cycle, only 2 follies, they continuted with EPU and she got one 8cell embryo transfered on the 2nd day, she was successful that cycle.

You could transfer 30 embryos and not get pregnant or transfer one and have twins and complete your family in one go.

Good luck with your journey.

spotty.

#3 domestically~challenged

Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:57 PM

BFP mentioned ***

I agree it is a numbers game. We just kept falling on the wrong side of the stats. It really shouldn't have taken us to transferring 13 embryos to have success.

I was unsuccessfully transferring what were labelled by the clinic as "beautiful embryos" yet they wouldn't stick whilst others would have success with degenerating embryos deemed "too crappy to freeze".

However, there is still also so much that is still unknown shrug.gif

Edited by domestically~challenged, 03 May 2012 - 12:58 PM.


#4 jules095

Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:30 PM

Yes, I agree.

I believe that it doesn't matter what quality the embryo, how many cells or days it is, but when the right one is transferred into the right environment (who know what that is), then you will have success.
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Like Spotty said, it's like winning Lotto.

Good Luck. original.gif

#5 Torquoise

Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:52 PM

Hi Pot of Luck

I agree it's a number game.  I also think if you're meant to have children you will and if your not it won't happen.

Ciao

Torquoise

Edited by Torquoise, 03 May 2012 - 04:55 PM.


#6 GEH 77

Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:03 PM

Hi Zoe

My thoughts are same as yours & I'm hoping you are right!  I'm holding out hope that it is a numbers game, we are 0 for 3 at the moment, the closest I came to a BFP was a chemical preg in round one with a grade B day 6 blast (technically it was a day behind), whereas last cycle FET, was a grade A!  The other 3 in the freezer are Grade B, maybe that's where our baby is?

It never makes sense to me & to keep my sanity I just keep thinking it's all in the numbers....or I'd go mad!  

Thinking of you original.gif  Good luck!

GEH

#7 Hoping4a2012baby

Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:08 PM

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Edited by Hoping4a2012baby, 10 May 2012 - 12:02 PM.


#8 jules095

Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE (Torquoise @ 03/05/2012, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also think if you're meant to have children you will and if your not it won't happen.
blink.gif Interesting comment, considering which forum we're in.


#9 PigNewton

Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:32 PM

I don't think it's so much pot luck, more like the FS are playing a game of cards, but they are playing with half the cards upside down and don't know what half of the rules are.

I think once more is understood about the true causes of infertility and miscarriage and also about the ideal environment for conception, the hit rate will increase exponentially.

Until then, there is some guesswork involved. We can say that it is luck that such and such gets pregnant, while such and such doesn't, but there are probably very good reasons that have nothing to do with luck, science just hasn't gone far enough to tell us what they are.

#10 librablonde

Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:39 PM

Zoe- I agree with you. I think it's all down to luck with a hint of science to guide us. But that's all I've got to work with, so I have to make do with that luck and just hope for the best. Not easy sometimes....

#11 kez71

Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:15 PM

We have had 2 out of 4 transfers take. Sadly we MC'd both at 8 and 10 weeks, but my specialist said it really is a numbers game and we just have to keep trying until the right one happens.



#12 Lokum

Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Hoping4a2012baby @ 03/05/2012, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Zoe,

My understanding is that the grading system of embryos is far from perfect & there seems to be no correlation between embryo grading & genetic normaliity,if that makes sense. Also, I think there's lots of other factors we don't yet know about which affect whether we get pregnant each cycle. I also believe that some clinics & labs are able to get better quality embryos through better cycle monitoring, & lab culture techniques.

Also, we're not all in the same race. I think some people have very soft indications for IVF & would probably get pregnant anyway if they waited a little longer. They make the clinics success rates look fab whilst some of us feel like repeated failures.

Hope I don't sound too cynical. For some of us getting pregnant really is like winning lotto. Good luck!


***  PG mentioned. **

Agree with this.
I transferred a fresh, 4 cell embryo on day 2, and got a baby.
I transferred a thawed embryo, which was frozen at 4 cells. 18 hours after thaw it was grade 3, 6 cells with some fragmentation. I'm 10 weeks PG from that one.

I don't think blast/day 3 or grading is necessarily helpful at all.

I agree that there are many factors which influence a cycle, and how receptive the environment is. If you have unexplained infertility - well that's the big clue, isn't? It could be a minor problem which IVF by-passes and therefore you're basically as fertile as anyone, or it could be something serious and fundamental, in which case you could keep transferring and have no luck.

I have unexplained. Did 5 x IUI with no hint of a BFP. Have done 35+ natural cycles with no hint of a BFP.
Yet I'm 2/3 on IVF transfers. WTF? It's definitely not fair... but not just a numbers game. There's an element of luck of course, but there are all those other real, scientific facts which we just don't understand yet.

It still feels like winning lotto when you hit the jackpot though.
Better than lotto actually.

I wish luck, strength, and happy outcomes of those on the journey.

#13 melanieb530

Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:56 PM

luck or otherwise to a great extent
in some cases the odds are better than others but there is never any guarantee with good odds and even with very poor odds statistically you can still have a positive outcome
just depends if it is meant to be


#14 Little.One

Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:23 AM

For many it's a numbers game if you know what the issue may be.

It's like trying to roll a six on a die. Sometimes you get it first go and sometimes you can roll it over and over and still not roll a six.

I like to think of it that the chances are sooner or later you will roll a six.

#15 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:42 PM

It's a bit like the lottery in Hunger Games.   Some people have more tickets (chances) and some have less, but it's still a lottery.


#16 jill1972

Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:44 PM

Yes definitely a numbers game, there's just so many variables.   The odds were against me falling pg with my fragmented embies first go, but it happened.  Then you see the couples that have model perfect hatching blasts that don't eventuate to a bfp go after go.  That's what makes IVF such a white knuckle ride.


_________

#17 jill1972

Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Torquoise @ 03/05/2012, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Pot of Luck

I agree it's a number game.  I also think if you're meant to have children you will and if your not it won't happen.

Ciao

Torquoise



I think that's a terrible thing to say in a forum where IVF can be the only hope.  What a stupid comment to make.

__________

#18 zoelicious

Posted 06 May 2012 - 07:08 PM

I think that's a terrible thing to say in a forum where IVF can be the only hope.  What a stupid comment to make.

__________
so unfair yes.

zoelicious

Edited by zoelicious, 06 May 2012 - 07:12 PM.


#19 spottydog

Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (jill1972 @ 06/05/2012, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that's a terrible thing to say in a forum where IVF can be the only hope.  What a stupid comment to make.

__________


Insensitive much? So sorry that someone has replied that way, like IVF isint hard enough without comments like this sad.gif

Good luck OP.

Sorry my quote didnt work sad.gif

spotty.

Edited by spottydog, 06 May 2012 - 09:35 PM.


#20 pinki

Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:23 PM

People should think before they post something so hurtful... I mean really???



I do think it is a numbers game mixed in with some luck.. I just wish I could predict when my number was coming up...

#21 Torquoise

Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:06 PM

Hi Zoe, Pinki, Spottydog ,Jill1972

Sorry I didn't mean to upset you all,  my comment has been taken out of context.
We're all in this battle together and best of luck to everyone.

Baby dust to everyone

Torquoise

#22 Torquoise

Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

Hi Jules95

Sorry to you also, my comment has been taken out of context.

Best of luck to you

Torquoise


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