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#1 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:19 AM

My 10wk old formula fed bub does a poo every day and always in the morning generally between 6-7am. However he always wakes from his sleep to do this poo and is in distress trying to get it out. He can wake up to 2hrs before the arrival of the poo in distress. When he finally does it there is some relief.
The poo is of normal consistency and colour.

Is this normal?? Surely it shouldn't be such a drama every day to do a poo?!
He also farts constantly all day long. Wind seems to be a big issue causing constant distress every day (he is also a silent reflux sufferer).

I am starting to wonder if he has a dairy or lactose allergy which is causing the poo pain and constant wind. It is becoming all very hard to deal with especially when we have restless sleepless nights AND days - getting him to sleep during the day is a nightmare will only catnap for 45min max and grizzles all day wanting to be held and particularly wants to be held over the shoulder and walked around the house- when you stop he melts down.

Help help help please!!!!!

#2 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:29 AM

Big hugs

Can't help with the poo issue, but a lot of the other stuff (unsettled, catnaps, waking up at 5am,, having to be carried around all the time) can be totally normal for this age.   Its not necessarily all down to a medical issue, though you could see a paed to have everything checked out.  Have a look at...

http://www.purplecrying.info/



#3 Agnodice the Feral

Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:39 AM

Reflux causes painful poos. The rapid gut transit in babies means the extra acid passes through the gut and causes the poos to burn his bottom as they come out. If pooing was painful before you started meds, he will have an aversion to pooing, and it will take a while for him to get used to it not burning.

People always jump to conclusions about intolerances but most people (and babies) don't have any. My first was a reflux baby and they are HARD work! My second is not and seems an absolute breeze, but my first was unsettled for six months until he could sit, then stand, and his reflux got better. Hang in there, I am sure you're doing a great job. And there are support groups for parents of reflux babies if you need a bit more support, or someone to talk to.

#4 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:08 AM

QUOTE (MsN @ 23/04/2012, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Reflux causes painful poos. The rapid gut transit in babies means the extra acid passes through the gut and causes the poos to burn his bottom as they come out. If pooing was painful before you started meds, he will have an aversion to pooing, and it will take a while for him to get used to it not burning.

People always jump to conclusions about intolerances but most people (and babies) don't have any. My first was a reflux baby and they are HARD work! My second is not and seems an absolute breeze, but my first was unsettled for six months until he could sit, then stand, and his reflux got better. Hang in there, I am sure you're doing a great job. And there are support groups for parents of reflux babies if you need a bit more support, or someone to talk to.


Thanks,yes having a reflux baby is hard work alright!!

#5 Agnodice the Feral

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:18 AM

Miss Kiwi have you thought about a sling? That way bub can be upright, and you still have both your hands. Our hug a bub was a lifesaver for the first six months. It also meant he slept properly durin the day (in the sling) and wasn't overtired. The one thing I learnt late, with DS being my first, is that all 'bad habits' can be broken later. I wish I'd spent less time trying to settle a reflux baby to sleep on his back, and more time just carrying him and getting on with it, because there really is nothing you can do until the reflux settles.

#6 Turn left

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:19 AM

My 2nd DD had silent reflux and she was very challenging.  I just wanted to wish you the very best, I hope you get the poo issue sorted out soon.  My DD outgrew her reflux at 9 months and we haven't looked back since.

#7 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (MsN @ 23/04/2012, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Miss Kiwi have you thought about a sling? That way bub can be upright, and you still have both your hands. Our hug a bub was a lifesaver for the first six months. It also meant he slept properly durin the day (in the sling) and wasn't overtired. The one thing I learnt late, with DS being my first, is that all 'bad habits' can be broken later. I wish I'd spent less time trying to settle a reflux baby to sleep on his back, and more time just carrying him and getting on with it, because there really is nothing you can do until the reflux settles.


Yes tried a sling and he hated it! He doesn't mind the baby Bjorn though so
Might try that again. It's weird though cause he will happily sleep in bed with
me and is relatively flat on his back. He will sleep like that for hours. Like you though I have stopped worrying about bad habits, you just gotta do what you can to get by:)

#8 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (Turn left @ 23/04/2012, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My 2nd DD had silent reflux and she was very challenging.  I just wanted to wish you the very best, I hope you get the poo issue sorted out soon.  My DD outgrew her reflux at 9 months and we haven't looked back since.


Thanks for that. I hope my DS grows out of it soon gods it's trying. As for the poo thing we are due to see our paed in 2wks so will be discussing with him. Did your DD have poo issues with her reflux?

#9 deejie

Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (Miss Kiwi @ 23/04/2012, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am starting to wonder if he has a dairy or lactose allergy which is causing the poo pain and constant wind.


In my experience with two dairy allergy babies, the poo would *not* be of normal consistency and colour (especially in a cow milk protein based formula fed baby). It is often green, very sloppy/runny consistency, mucousy and in some cases can have blood traces in it.

There is a lot of talk around about intolerances and allergies but in all honesty, they are not as common as you would think. It is good you are seeing a paed to get it checked out though.

#10 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (deejie @ 23/04/2012, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my experience with two dairy allergy babies, the poo would *not* be of normal consistency and colour (especially in a cow milk protein based formula fed baby). It is often green, very sloppy/runny consistency, mucousy and in some cases can have blood traces in it.

There is a lot of talk around about intolerances and allergies but in all honesty, they are not as common as you would think. It is good you are seeing a paed to get it checked out though.


I am glad to hear intolerances are not common. DS poo is not green and runny so that's good. He just farts soooooooo much and the pain trying to poop seems at odds. But perhaps it is normal...?!

#11 GoodGollyMolly

Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

I've got a 9 week old DS who farts like a trooper! Loads of farts.  And they smell! He's Breastfed but sounds a lot like your bub- gets all worked up about doing a poo, only catnaps during the day, needs walking around the house on my shoulder. I am thinking its all just par for the course around this age.



#12 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (GoodGollyMolly @ 23/04/2012, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've got a 9 week old DS who farts like a trooper! Loads of farts.  And they smell! He's Breastfed but sounds a lot like your bub- gets all worked up about doing a poo, only catnaps during the day, needs walking around the house on my shoulder. I am thinking its all just par for the course around this age.


Everyone keeps saying once you get to the magic 12wk mark everything calms down...here's hoping aye! original.gif

#13 mama123

Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

I completely forgot my son was like this until I read your post. Ah, how quickly we forget! biggrin.gif
He was a real stinker, popped off all the time and he had a lot of trouble doing poo's even though he was exclusively breastfed! He would even throw himself around whilst trying to do it.
I asked the GP and he said it was normal as the bowel is still developing and the child is still learning to co-ordinate their muscles. He also said it was something they grow out of. I had my suspicions but the paediatrician backed it up and surely enough he grew out of it.
I wish I could remember the age he grew out of it. Either way I would ask whoever you can, just in case.

#14 Miss Kiwi

Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:41 PM

Argghhhh another restless night of him waking in between feeds grunting thrashing about and farting. Surely this is not normal??????

#15 mama123

Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:57 AM

Follow your instincts. Take him to a doctor if you need.

#16 Princess.cranky.pants

Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

DD3 had terrible wind. Infants friend and Ifacol helped. You can use both together. She has Ifacol at every feed for months (GP/MCHN recommendation). I was still burping her at 12 months!

We also found we needed to burp DD really well or she would get terrible wind/gas. The best way that worked for her was gentling bouncing her up and down on my leg. This would make the bubbles of wind rise up to the top of her tummy and it was much easier to get the wind up. She was a hard baby to burp! Cycling the legs like he is riding a bike helps with wind too.

What kind of formula is he on?  I do feel for you.. glad those days are over!

#17 Miss Kiwi

Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Princess.cranky.pants @ 24/04/2012, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DD3 had terrible wind. Infants friend and Ifacol helped. You can use both together. She has Ifacol at every feed for months (GP/MCHN recommendation). I was still burping her at 12 months!

We also found we needed to burp DD really well or she would get terrible wind/gas. The best way that worked for her was gentling bouncing her up and down on my leg. This would make the bubbles of wind rise up to the top of her tummy and it was much easier to get the wind up. She was a hard baby to burp! Cycling the legs like he is riding a bike helps with wind too.

What kind of formula is he on?  I do feel for you.. glad those days are over!


Thanks for your advice. I give Infacol before each feed but are going to start giving gripe water after. Only problem is he is normally asleep before he finishes his bottle. I would prefer not to put in the bottle as he doesn't always drink the whole thing.

He is on Karicare Anti Reflux formula. He did do a greenish poo today so am still thinking we could be looking at an intolerance but will see what our pead says at our next appt.

#18 Feefifofum

Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:51 PM

My reflux baby was similar at that age in many respects. She is breastfed and used to be very farty and have a lot if pain associated with that. She got noticeably better when I stopped eating dairy food, and every time I try and have dairy to see what happens, sure enough the wind and screaming starts up again.

So from my experience, I'd say it's worth exploring the idea of some kind of intolerance, and perhaps trialling other formula. You just don't know until you try.




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