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#26 la di dah

Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM

Justice - I would have thought of this as an ungendered name.
Logan - I've known one who was a girl. I don't actually like it on either.
Fallon - I've only known girls by this name. I thought it was a girl's name.
Michael - Known females from newborn to fifty by this name, I think because Michal is historically unisex.
Kennedy - Only known girls by this, never a boy.
Marlow - Known a girl named this.
Mason - Mostly masculine but I've met one or two girls.
Jules - I don't know if all the Jules I've known named this were actually Jules or Julias or whatever but I know bajillions answering to Jules.
Elliott - I prefer it on boys but it is increasingly common on girls.
Chandler - Known only to me as "girls under 10" never boys never older kids.



#27 Feral Madam Mim

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:08 PM

I consider every name on that list to be a boys name (though Addison I see as a girls name, but I think it has to do with the fact that my niece is named this).

#28 homewith1

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

I love seeing girls with strong names.   In fact, I named my baby girl Noa, which is a hebrew girls' name, but in Anglo countries, mainly used on boys, as "Noah".

I'm hoping in the next few years to see more baby girls called Noa. In the old testament, Noa was one of five sisters. Noa and her sisters fought for a change to the inheritance laws which favoured sons.

So I'll be doing my bit to see Noa climb the girl's top ten!

I met a guy who called his daughter Bo. I thought this was cute too.

#29 lactasticmama

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (homewith1 @ 19/04/2012, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I named my baby girl Noa.

I met a guy who called his daughter Bo. I thought this was cute too.


wub.gif Both gorgeous names!

#30 Cat People

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:35 PM

I don't get it either.  I have to wonder if the kids will grow up thinking their parents wanted a boy.  Probably not, but strangers definitely will.



#31 Guest_tigerdog_*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

I've heard of a Fallon and a Logan - none of the others, though.  Can't imagine a girl named Russell biggrin.gif

#32 homewith1

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (MadameCatty @ 19/04/2012, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't get it either.  I have to wonder if the kids will grow up thinking their parents wanted a boy.  Probably not, but strangers definitely will.


Wonder away...

These daughters will know they're wanted, loved, cherished, adored. Who cares what strangers think.

#33 tassiegal

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:41 PM

My name (Peta) has become more common as a girl's name but I don't think it's ruined as a boy's name.

My DS is Kodi, but he first time I heard this name was on a girl and I also had a client who was 30ish whose name is Kodie.

#34 la di dah

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

I prefer to keep girls and boys' names seperate but I don't think of Noa as a boy's name, just a name that sounds like a boy's name - Noah. I would think of Noah as a boy's name.

I know a lot of people think of Asher, Ezra, etc. as girls names but I wouldn't not use them for a boy just because of that. You don't "lose them to the girls'" if you don't stop using them for boys.

EDIT: I have to say I don't think of Peta "ruining" Peter for boys anymore than Josephine ruins Joseph or Gabrielle ruins Gabriel for boys?

Edited by la di dah, 19 April 2012 - 04:45 PM.


#35 mandaandstarr

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:49 PM

My cousin named her daughter the name I'd always liked for a boy. I was a bit disappointed at the time, but the name does really suit her (even if I've never heard of this name for a girl before.)

#36 Cat People

Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (homewith1 @ 19/04/2012, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wonder away...

These daughters will know they're wanted, loved, cherished, adored. Who cares what strangers think.


I consider Noa/h a unisex name.  I'm talking about very obvious boys' names.


#37 4kidlets

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:40 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 19/04/2012, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IEDIT: I have to say I don't think of Peta "ruining" Peter for boys anymore than Josephine ruins Joseph or Gabrielle ruins Gabriel for boys?



Exactly my point upthread - many names like Michael, Joseph,Peter, Daniel etc etc have long established female equivalents - but  I dont think the likes of Michelle, Josephine, Peta, Danielle have ruined the names for boys - given the female versions have been around long time this is hardly likely to happen either.


Cant see why modern versions like Rylee should ruin Riley for boys either.

#38 PatG

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Tesseract @ 19/04/2012, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Women with men's names do better in life, study after study shows this. Our GG being a perfect example.



QUOTE (Bam1 @ 19/04/2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think parents have much more to do with how a child turns out then the name itself. A name is a reflection of the parents though and I think its not so much that Bryce is a "boys" name but in giving their daughter a name like Bryce back in the 50s(?) it shows her parents weren't willing to let convention stop them or their daughter in doing what she wanted to do. Bryce seems to have carried this strength throughout her life.



Um, her name is Quentin not Bryce....  Same point to be made I guess.  And she was born in 1942.

#39 treefalls

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:02 PM

There are a few there that are masculine (to me) without any near feminine alternatives:
Gavin, Russell and Bradley

A LOT of them are surnamey names, which is a huge trend now. I think people are attracted to them because they sound strong and gender neutral.
Logan, Kingston, Dalton, Reid, Kennedy, Keaton, Marlow, Mason, Elliott, Carter
I can also see women choosing these names for their daughters if they decide to honour the naming convention of giving their child the father's surname, then perhaps using their maiden name as a first name. Just a thought.

Then there's the NN as FN phenomenon. So many people just name their kid the short version:
Jude, Jules, Teddy (Theodora?)

The other huge naming trend is for (again) something neutral like an occupation, object or something symbolic.
Justice, Mason, Basil

So, for me, that leaves the following:

Colin - I'd probably just use Colleen
Michael - Michaela and Michelle are okay, so Michael's not that much of a stretch.
Aiden - I'de probably just use Ada, but can understand that a name ending in 'a' might not suit the surname, leading to the temptation to keep the name and 'close' the ending.


FTR, our daughter's middle name is Marlowe. We understood it to be a surname (originally) but we chose the "masculine" spelling (over Marlo) as I thought it looked better with her other two names. No other reason.  I never thought of it as a masculine name, even after the research I did prior to using it. Our son's middle name is also a surname.

Edited by MelbChick, 19 April 2012 - 09:02 PM.


#40 Severus

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (scooty @ 19/04/2012, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My Mum's name is Marion and it has definetly been a girls name for a long time. I found it to be in the top 100 in 1930 (number 88).


That's what I said, my point being it's an ongoing process but I feel it's 'worse' today.

What is your point here? Should I have said 150 yrs ago i.s.o. 100? I stand corrected.

#41 Severus

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE (4kidlets @ 19/04/2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would dispute that Anne was ever an established male name


It most definitely was in the Netherlands, not more than 2 or 3 generations before mine you find 'plenty' of male Annes. Maybe it was always unisex, I don't know, but it was definitely established for males. Now only the most daring parents use it - for a MN at most.

#42 4kidlets

Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:27 PM

Perhaps the Netherlands used Anne as a male name until relatively recently - but it is originally a female name and has remained so for most of the times and most of the places of its life.
Anne certainly doesnt fit the standard  'male name gone to the girls' pattern.


I dont think Marion would either - being a derivative of Mary.
I know it was sometimes used for males in the past but would think has been a predominately female name for most of its life - there was Maid Marian back in the Robin Hood legends - yes, I know it is only a legend, not a real person - but the female has featured in the legend for many centuries.

#43 la di dah

Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (4kidlets @ 19/04/2012, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly my point upthread - many names like Michael, Joseph,Peter, Daniel etc etc have long established female equivalents - but  I dont think the likes of Michelle, Josephine, Peta, Danielle have ruined the names for boys - given the female versions have been around long time this is hardly likely to happen either.


Cant see why modern versions like Rylee should ruin Riley for boys either.


Those others aren't only have similar, not identical pronunciations to the male ones, though. Rylee is said just the same as Riley, isn't it?  That'd be the main difference, I think.

Unless Rylee is said differently or a different accent on the syllables, as in Gabrielle vs. Gabriel, in which case yeah it is exactly the same.  unsure.gif

#44 Angelot

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:02 PM

I noticed that when I was compiling a name list, I tended to like, not unisex names or using names typically given to one gender for the other, but still strong names for girls, and gentle names for boys (which perhaps reflects something of my hopes for daughters and sons!)  I did find, though, that when I posted those names for feedback, I got a lot of negative response; people wanted me to go softer for girls and stronger for boys (it wasn't universal but was a noticeable trend).  I found that interesting if a little sad.

#45 libbylu

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:10 PM

Marlowe with an 'e' has been a girls name for a long time.  I know a new baby Marlo.
I have never met a girl with any of those names unless it is a nickname or a female derivation (i.e. Jude from Judith, Michaela rather than Michael.)

#46 la di dah

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Ange Vert @ 19/04/2012, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I noticed that when I was compiling a name list, I tended to like, not unisex names or using names typically given to one gender for the other, but still strong names for girls, and gentle names for boys (which perhaps reflects something of my hopes for daughters and sons!)  I did find, though, that when I posted those names for feedback, I got a lot of negative response; people wanted me to go softer for girls and stronger for boys (it wasn't universal but was a noticeable trend).  I found that interesting if a little sad.


That's interesting. I'm not sure we're talking about the same names but I tend to like relatively un-frilly, non-a ending girls names: Esther, Judith, Lilith, Vivien, Imogen, Ivy, etc. I like a number of -a ending boys names though, probably out of nostalgia for names like Ezra, Josiah, Judah.

Anyway I get some similar reactions, my girls names are too sharp and my boys names are too ambiguous. I admit I don't hear the gender ambiguity for the boys because I'm used to those all being male, so I wasn't looking to make a gender-neutral statement, but it's probably sad that the worst thing many people can say about a boys name is it isn't macho enough.

I mean there's also a matter of what you're used to. I'd never heard Gabriel to be considered effeminate or not strongly masculine before EB.

Edited by la di dah, 19 April 2012 - 11:12 PM.


#47 Angelot

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

Probably not quite the same names.  I liked a lot of girls' names ending with -n sounds; Perrine was a good example.  And French or European boys' names like Laurian which was "too close to Lauren."

The -a ending boys' names is probably a bit cultural.  I recognise the ones you've listed as male names, but I look at my (lengthy!) list and the only such name I liked at all enough to include was Joshua.  The ones you've listed come across to me as, if not feminine, very dated; a throwback to a previous century.

I liked Gabriel, though, and would have thought of it as a "gentler" name, so perhaps that's a difference in cultural background.

#48 mjaler

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE
I know a lady in her 30's called Scott

The little girl in the movie 'The Descendants' is called Scotty, I must admit I watched with my 'only in America' hat on wink.gif

My daughter has a female version of a popular male name and my son has a fairly soft sounding name that is trending towards unisex. I kind of regret using his name as he is rather gentle and would now prefer if his name was more masculine. If I had my time again I would not have given him a unisex name unless it was a predominantly male name or a stronger sounding male name. i.e. I wouldn't have used a name like Ashley or Charlie/ee but would use a name like Mason or Carter.

#49 prettypenny

Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:50 AM

I met a little girl called Archer the other day. Until then I always thought of it as purely a boy's name.

Naming trends evolve and continually change which I think is great. My only concern is that there seems to be a perception that if you want to give your daughter a strong name then it has to be a unisex or predominately male name. Do people really think that strong feminine names are oxymoronic?

#50 4kidlets

Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 19/04/2012, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those others aren't only have similar, not identical pronunciations to the male ones, though. Rylee is said just the same as Riley, isn't it?  That'd be the main difference, I think.

Unless Rylee is said differently or a different accent on the syllables, as in Gabrielle vs. Gabriel, in which case yeah it is exactly the same.  unsure.gif


Yes, pronounciation is same as Riley and other spelling variations used on boys or girls.

So, I see your point that a name that is only different in spelling but is pronounced the same is different to a name like Daniel/Danielle, Paul/Paula,Pauline/ Colin/Colleen, Joseph/Josephine etc which are very similar but pronounced  slightly differently or additions like a or ine to feminise.

However the concept of names pronouced the same but spelt differently is not a new concept either - Robyn/Robin, Frances/Francis to name a couple of long established ones.

    And of course some names are truly unisex such as Shannon.


I guess what  I am saying is that just because a name or a very similar or just spelt differently name is used by girls doesnt mean it is lost or ruined for boys (although  I concede it is sometimes the case that a name is so taken over by girls that it is no longer a boys name - not all that often though)




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