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#1 bettymm

Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:56 PM

I am planning on going to the doctors but wondering if anyone else has experienced this or have any idea what it could be..

I had my second baby 4 months ago, I only had a tiny 1st degree tear, requiring two stitches , BUT I had an incredibly difficult and long second stage due to a (eventually discovered after much pushing in vain) persistant cervical lip.  Babys head was descending in the wrong position so the cervix partly swelled , it just wouldnt go away so i ended up with epidural and a vacuum extraction (no episiotomy)  there was incredible amounts of pain and pressure on the rectum during this time, due to babys position..for about an hour and a half.

just recently i have been feeling strange in the rectal area..its like i   feel like there is something there..but dont have an urge for a BM it   just feels strange and im aware of it, also feels damp/wet ..  No pain or blood when i do pass a BM either.  Can there be hemmaroids that dont hurt?  

So basically im wondering whether there could have been damage  from extended pressure on the area even though there was no big tear and also, will the GP investigate do you think or would i get a referrel?  VERY nervous about the possibility of investigations in that area sad.gif

#2 Expelliarmus

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

One of the risk factors for pelvic prolapse is prolonged second stage. I would definitely get things checked out because its possible it's haemorriods but I wouldn't rule out getting checked for a rectocele. You would be best to ask for a referral to a gynaecologist. Hopefully it's something easily treatable/nothing to worry about. Good Luck.

#3 bettymm

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

Thanks Howdo,,going off to google rectocele..something tells me im not going to like what i find  ohmy.gif

#4 Expelliarmus

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

When your rectum bulges into your vagina.

#5 bettymm

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:26 PM

yep.  just found that out  ffear.gif

i have some of those symptoms, ill defintately head off to the GPS asap!

gah..i knew i couldnt get out of a pushing stage like that scot free!  though, still hoping its not too severe, i certainly cant see/feel any bulging

thanks again

#6 jenchristo

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

Perhaps ask your dr if you should see a physio that specialises in postnatal issues?

#7 froggy1

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

I'd recommend going to your GP, and maybe physio.
I'm loathe to admit it, but I had a similar feeling to you, and it was through basically extended pushing in labour completely buggaring my pelvic floor - everything felt 'lower' like things were sitting in the wrong place and basically it was the fact that my muscles were cactus and couldn't hold things up! sorry, TMI
Still not totally better, but at least I can sneeze now after a year of physio. small victories!
please get a check up!

#8 bettymm

Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:44 PM

yep, Froggy, i get that "lower feeling"
almost like a dragging feeling.  It was really bad the first six weeks then seemed to go away but now its returned.especially after ive gone for a walk..and also with this rectal feeling too, something certainly not right



at least ive gone back to doing my kegals religiously now!

Good to hear yours improved somewhat

Edited by bettymm, 18 April 2012 - 08:44 PM.


#9 bloodorange

Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

glad i found this post. last night during my shower (tmi proceeding) while cleaning down there i felt massisve bulges. Upon inspection, i  saw  the most scariest looking vagina with the exact pictures that appear when you google rectocele. holy lord!!!
i knew things never felt right after DD2 now aged 20 mths .  First birth I had an episiotomy, secind degree tear and stictches. Second birth just a small tear but suffered from haemmeroids.  
Area did always feel heavy after prolonged standing walking etc, and  i'd always do a quick kegal excerise to fix things up. I actually thought things were improving in my  mind.  Never really took a look when i had this sensation but boy oh boy last night was a real shock.  

It's really freaking me out and I'm just googling all over the place for information.
Do you think going straight to Royal womens (where i had babies) would be adviseable.  I dont really have a doctor i see regularly (all ny pregnancy appoints were thru this hospital.
Anyone had this issue and what the outcome was, and is willing to share? would be interested to here.


#10 Pantograph

Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:33 PM

You could contact the hospital and ask them if you can make an appointment or whether you need a referral.  This would be the relevant clinic (I think the phone number is the main switchboard)

Royal Women's Hospital
Urogynaecology Pelvic Floor Service
Locked Bag 300
Grattan St & Flemington Rd, Parkville VIC 3052
Tel: (03) 8345 2000

#11 snortle

Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:58 PM

I had something similar and it turned out I had prolapse of the posterior and anterior vaginal wall (and uterus and bladder but thats just lucky lol)

I recently had surgery to repair the prolapses and even though it was very difficult I am 100% happy with the result.

I started at the GP then had a few consultations with several surgeons (just to make sure I had a few opinions) and picked the one I liked best and off I went.

I was in hospital for a week, and on rest at home for another 5ish weeks.

On the bright side my sex life is so much better  ph34r.gif my DH can also tell there is a difference  blush.gif

I really hope its nothing as serious as mine but if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer best I can original.gif


#12 bloodorange

Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:06 PM

thks for rwh contact. Snortle that sounds rough but glad there was a positive outcome.
I think i should stop googling, i've come up with
Cystocele - the bladder protrudes into the vagina.
Enterocele - the small intestines push down into the vagina.
Uterine prolapse - the cervix and uterus drop down into the vagina and may protrude out of the vaginal opening.
Vaginal prolapse - in cases of severe uterine prolapse, the vagina may slide out of the body too.
And this pics all look the same, now i'm confused. Definately have a  prolapse that comes and goes though.  
Snortle what were the options given, wee they all surgical?
thks for being open to answer

#13 JuniPooks_

Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:16 PM

Oh my goodness I thought I was mad, I'm so glad I found this thread.

I can still feel mild pressure on my backside that I felt when pushing. It feels like there is still something pushing into my bum. It's a very uncomfortable feeling and I thought I was just crazy. The pain in there during pushing hurt more than anywhere else and I felt like fainting, it was far worse than at any other time during labour, and worse than feeling the episiotomy! I thought it must be psychological because I'd never heard of any of this stuff but now I'm wondering...

My GP is the place to start, I guess, what kind of referral do I ask for though? I don't want to ever go back to that hospital. sad.gif

#14 snortle

Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (bloodorange @ 26/08/2012, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Snortle what were the options given, wee they all surgical?
thks for being open to answer


Well it depends on the severity of the prolapse, there are exercises that can be done to help but unfortunately for me I was well past that stage

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 26/08/2012, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My GP is the place to start, I guess, what kind of referral do I ask for though? I don't want to ever go back to that hospital. sad.gif


You could just go to your gyno if thats easiest.
They will refer you to either a urogynaecologist or a colorectal surgeon depending on where abouts the prolapse is.

#15 Expelliarmus

Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:12 PM

The solutions depend on the type of prolapse. Uterine prolapse has a pessary. There are exercises as well, but as PP said, sometimes you are past that'.

My repair was done by a gynaecologist as it is uterine - looks the same as the googled rectocele pictures though. Anyway, I need to go and get mine reassessed. I'm pretty sure it's stuffed again.

Hmmmmmm. Not how I wanted to spend the school holidays ...

#16 bloodorange

Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:26 PM

gee its so mind boggling. Another post mentioned reading wholewoman.com .
This site doesnt recommend surgery, saying most times it comes back (worse), doesnt recommend the meshas it can move around to other areas such as vagina or in areas which the cant get it out,
Oh my gosh, this is a nightmare.  
Going to try and find out more about this WW posture and give it a crack.
Oh and Yoga and pilates can aggrevate a prolapse!
Anyone heard of this? What to beleive??


#17 lucky 2

Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:31 PM

I see a womens physio who works with my gynecologist, referred by my gp for some similar sounding issues.
I don't require any surgery yet, my issues are bothersome but not too bad, the pessary will probably be my next step.
The examination by the physio was very "personal" but worth it to get accurate information.

#18 snortle

Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (bloodorange @ 26/08/2012, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
gee its so mind boggling. Another post mentioned reading wholewoman.com .
This site doesnt recommend surgery, saying most times it comes back (worse), doesnt recommend the meshas it can move around to other areas such as vagina or in areas which the cant get it out,
Oh my gosh, this is a nightmare.  
Going to try and find out more about this WW posture and give it a crack.
Oh and Yoga and pilates can aggrevate a prolapse!
Anyone heard of this? What to beleive??



They like to avoid the mesh in Australia where possible I have been told. Especially in younger women (under 50).
Yes it can move. And yes the prolapse has a high risk of returning. I have already been told- even before my surgery- that I will be facing another surgery later in life.
I didn't get the mesh, I didn't want it and none of the surgeons I met with were keen to use it on someone my age (29)

Yoga and Pilates can cause significant strain on the pelvic floor.
Any of these types of exercises are out of the question.
I've been told I should never do a sit up for the rest of my life- I hate sit ups so I'm not too shattered wink.gif




#19 So...buttons79

Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:29 PM

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Edited by So...buttons79, 10 October 2012 - 08:03 AM.


#20 littlepoppet

Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:57 PM

Just thought I would add some personal info of mine. I also suffer from a prolapse - bladder I think. It feels similar to a tampon falling out as pp suggested. I went to a physio about 5 months after having my first son and was given exercises to do. I'm hopeless and didn't keep them up. Some days are good and some are worse - bad days are usually when i've been on my feet a lot and carrying around my children (most days really!). I feel I may need to go down the surgical path in future - really should give those exercises a go first!

The main thing I want to pass on is that the prolapse occurred after giving birth to my first child. I was so scared to birth vaginally again as I was worried about further damage. I have since had 2 more children (both vaginally) and the prolapse doesn't feel any worse. Definitely not saying that this would be the case for everyone but just thought I would share as I was pretty nervous each time.

It's a horrible thing to endure...

#21 Roobear

Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

I have a mild uterine prolapse after the birth of DS which is being treated with physio.

It isn't nice but 100% worth getting it thoroughly checked out for a good treatment plan.

Good luck.




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