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#1 She-Ra

Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

This guy John Abbott was a founding “father” of the blackshirts who were/are this terrorist style vigilante group who ran around terrorising women that separated from their husbands.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/candida...6-1226330767450

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A GOLD Coast mayoral candidate is defending his reputation after being revealed as the former leader of the Blackshirts, a men's rights vigilante group accused of terrorising women.
John Abbott led the group - whose members dressed in black and wore balaclavas and sunglasses during protests outside family law courts and the homes of ex-wives in Melbourne in the 1990s and early 2000s.
The group campaigned for adultery to be punishable by death and was vocal on what it called "immoral" women.
Mr Abbott, 66, was convicted of stalking in 2004 after picketing a woman's home in suburban Melbourne. He was sentenced to four months' jail, suspended for 18 months.
The Blackshirts' actions were condemned as "unacceptable" by former Family Court Chief Justice Alistair Nicholson and "one step along the path to terrorism".
But Mr Abbott said he felt like he had been "murdered" when his wife left him in 1990 and saw himself as a crusader.
He also believed enough people would vote for him, including women.
"Much was said and written about the Blackshirts and almost everyone had an opinion as to their conduct, which included almost everything from terrorist to crusader (group)," he said this week.



Would you vote for someone like him?

More info here:
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s625671.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/...0174344351.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/...6527988330.html




#2 She-Ra

Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

Would you vote for someone like him?

#3 She-Ra

Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:59 PM

More info:
http://violentangrymen.blogspot.com.au/200...lackshirts.html

#4 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:22 PM

Meh. Heartbroken people don't think straight. Appears to me he was heartbroken, and trying to point out that men don't get a fair go in the family court. He just did something to make himself stand out.

And I won't vote for him, he's not in my area.

Seems to be men offering support to other men in a divorce situation.

Edited by *Lib*, 19 April 2012 - 03:29 PM.


#5 Gangnam Style

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

What a stupid thing to say Lib.  rolleyes.gif  



#6 Doodalicious

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

From the ABC article:

"If, for example, someone contacts the group complaining their partner's cheating on them, the Blackshirts will step in to activate a shame campaign. More often than not the victim is a woman and the group will promote her alleged affair via a letter drop to neighbours. But the Victorian government is accusing it of even more sinister behaviour including knocking on doors at midnight, making death threats and phantom phone calls."

Now I find that scary. And no, I wouldn't vote for him. This wasn't an isolated "attended an extremist rally while heartbroken in the midst of ugly divorce" type thing - he was in the group long-term and acting as a spokesperson.

#7 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:30 PM

Apparently this morning he offered any of the other candidates $50,000 if they gave him their preferences.....so I think that will kill him before the blackshirts info will.

#8 Hayleymumof3

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE
Meh. Heartbroken people don't think straight. Appears to me he was heartbroken, and trying to point out that men don't get a fair go in the family court. He just did something to make himself stand out.

And I won't vote for him, he's not in my area.

Seems to be men offering support to other men in a divorce situation.


Umm Not quite.  They want to reinstate marriage for LIFE.

QUOTE
The solution;
Reinstate marriage as recognised by law.
The Marriage Act:
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.


So no divorce EVER.

also this bit is a bit disturbing
QUOTE
THERE IS ONLY ONE HOPE, ONE CHANCE, AND ONE OPPORTUNITY!
The only natural force available to protect children is the father and family.
It is the duty and obligation and the right of every father to protect his children against any moral and physical harm


huh.gif   Only the father can protect the children.

#9 purplekitty

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

Just a little scary. Certainly not meh.

" "But theirs is not just a crusade to turn back the clock. By demanding adultery be treated like murder by the courts, the Blackshirts are seeking the creation of a law that does not currently exist in Western society.

Adultery must be met with the greatest severity," Abbott says. "I'm very angry, but I don't yell. I just make a list of men and women to die."

The words are shocking, but Abbott does not seem to notice. He is consumed by what he sees as betrayal."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/...0174344351.html



#10 BetteBoop

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:40 PM

Yeah, poor heartbroken bloke. So he's a convicted stalker.

I understand his pain. Poor men.

#11 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

Some of it reads quite sensible. Should believe everything we read I suppose......

#12 Froger

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE (*Lib* @ 19/04/2012, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meh. Heartbroken people don't think straight. Appears to me he was heartbroken, and trying to point out that men don't get a fair go in the family court. He just did something to make himself stand out.

And I won't vote for him, he's not in my area.

Seems to be men offering support to other men in a divorce situation.


WTF?
QUOTE (*Lib* @ 19/04/2012, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some of it reads quite sensible. Should believe everything we read I suppose......


I was hoping you were being sarcastic but appears not! What bit sounds sensible? huh.gif


#13 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:49 PM


QUOTE
THE BLACK SHIRTS
Thank God for the Black shirts. The only real power that can put an end to the evil imposed on marriage, family and children and bring back family values.
Don't be intimidated by restraining orders, family court applications or for that matter - members of the legal profession.
As mothers or fathers, you have a right and indeed a duty to defend your marriage - family and especially - your children.




#14 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:51 PM

Obviously some of the stuff he and his group does is a bit far, but generally they are fighting for the rights of the wronged in a marriage bust up. Male or female. Or am I the only thinking that?

I'm happy to be educated......no need to be rude about it. I'm a big enough person to admit if I am wrong. FTR until 10 minutes ago I hadn't even heard of him.

Edited by *Lib*, 19 April 2012 - 03:52 PM.


#15 BetteBoop

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:52 PM

No Lib I don't believe anything I read. Or what he's directly quoted as saying by the ABC. Or what the courts have convicted him of.

It's all one big conspiracy.

QUOTE
The example I can give you is the act of infidelities, the act of homosexuality that children are exposed to. Anything that corrupts the child as I said before.


Taken from the ABC transcript of an interview. It does indeed read quite sensible.



#16 Froger

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:53 PM

You can't be serious lib? Even the name they have choosen for themselves is deliberately threatening and intimidating.

#17 Doodalicious

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

He lost me at the bit where he's "making a list of people to die".

Lib did you read the articles that were linked?????

#18 Froger

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:00 PM

Read the articles Lib!! The guy is directly quoted. It is beyond disturbing.

Edited by SarahM72, 19 April 2012 - 04:00 PM.


#19 *Lib*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:01 PM

A couple of them, and the blog. I sped read it. I could have been hasty to reply,  it seems that some of the things he's saying are over the top.

No need to approach me like I'm an idiot......I said I'm happy to be educated.

Edited by *Lib*, 19 April 2012 - 04:03 PM.


#20 Hayleymumof3

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:04 PM

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but generally they are fighting for the rights of the wronged in a marriage bust up. Male or female. Or am I the only thinking that?


Since we have no fault divorces no one is "wronged" in a marriage because it doesn't matter why the marriage ended because for the last 37 years we haven't had at fault divorces.


ETA: yes I know you can be wronged with cheating or domestic violence.

#21 purplekitty

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE (*Lib* @ 19/04/2012, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A couple of them, and the blog. I sped read it. I could have been hasty to reply,  it seems that some of the things he's saying are over the top.

No need to approach me like I'm an idiot......I said I'm happy to be educated.

"Blackshirts are adept at keeping on the right side of the law and none has been charged with a criminal offence for activity with the group. When picketing the family law courts they avoid arrest by standing just beyond the precincts, although lawyers say it is still often necessary to push past them to get in the building. But Mr Abbott says that if the law is not changed their tactics against "adulterers" will intensify.

"People should take them out, find the nearest branch and hang them for what they're doing. But unfortunately the law does not allow that, and we are law-abiding. The question they need to ask is how long before the laws change.

"When they do, the adulterers will hang up like chandeliers in every park. And that will come."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/26/davidfickling



#22 Flimsy*But*Fun

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:09 PM



There he is at the front.  There is his band of violent crackpots at the back.  They dress like a fascist death squad to deliberately intimidate.  Freaks.

#23 She-Ra

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

That pic is hilarious, kind of.... The Black shirts were originally a fascist military group that liked Mussolini, and these freaks seem to be basing their approach to women and children on their distorted and sick views. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts

I bumped the thread a few times because I think it’s important that people know that these freaks are out there.

I don’t believe there is a website and I don’t think the Blackshirts exist as an orgonised group anymore. Instead former members have infiltrated and formed other less in your face groups, but continue with the same sort of rhetoric. Unfortunately and unbelievably they have quite a bit of support and have managed to influence public opinion and have had a hand in influencing changes in family law under John Howard.

The fact is that this sort of bizarre sentiment is fueled by some men’s groups and especially so by a certain website that claims to ‘help’ people (ie: men) in family law matters.  What they are doing is fueling hatred and exploiting vulnerable and naive people.




#24 Froger

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:17 PM

Yes there is a website actually. I'll see if I can find the link and post it. They reckon they have hundreds of members, but surely not?? I would hope that hundreds of men would not have joined this group, but I guess you never know. nno.gif

ETA: I can't find their website now. I do remember reading it though, one time after I was doing a bit of research on some of these groups after listening to a particularily shocking Dads on the Air program.

Edited by SarahM72, 19 April 2012 - 09:22 PM.


#25 Lightning_bug

Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:55 PM

At its peak... 300 members.  Probably only a dozen active.  It was a nusience and it's gone now because it was nothing more than ridiculous and a majority of its members were going through the 'angry, disgruntaled' stage and got over it.

It lost its membership because it would "tend to entrench men in an angry-victim role because they don't provide a way out for these people other than a knock-down, drag-out fight."

Its 'infiltration' powers must have been poor at best.  LOL.

Thank heavens it doesn't exist anymore and that it was such a small 'flash in the pan'.  

I wouldn't vote for him in a heart beat though.  The guys a fruit loop.




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