Jump to content

Encopresis?
Tell me about it please!


  • Please log in to reply
6 replies to this topic

#1 JJ98

Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone can tell me more about experiences with Encopresis, the symptoms, the diagnosis, the treatment and the cause if it was found.

History (TMI) - DS (4) has had sloppy poos (or diarrhea) for as long as I remember.  When he was little I asked the MCHN several times if the sloppiness was normal and was always told yes. First time Mum so I believed it.  So I'm not sure when it changed to be completely abnormal.

He is constantly hungry, has always had a big pot belly, does large poos at least once a day sometimes more, usually quite explosive sometimes with a bit of blood when he is finally finished, and he has never appeared to be constipated all his life.

For nearly 18months the doctors have been trying to figure out what is going on, we cut out dairy, had blood tests (slightly low iron) had a gastroscopy, sigmoidoscopy and several poo tests. He is not lactose intolerant nor coeliac. Some inflammation was found in the lower bowel.

The poo test thru the naturopath showed bacteria and parasites and he suggested putting DS on a diet of no carbs to starve it. However maybe I am wrong but I decided that was not a good idea for a growing body.  We did continue with dairy free and went completly gluten free again with meals as plain as possible.

Prior to the gastroscopy/sigmoidoscopy he had been gluten free but put him back on wheat in preparation for the biopsies and we had 3 days of semi formed poos.  Then back to the way it was until several months later- january when things started to improve slightly, good days and bad days, I got very strict again with the plain diet in Feb and things were going OK not brilliant but alot better than it had been until about 3-4 weeks ago. The normal kinder teacher was away and DS ate a cupcake red icing then 2 days later a red icypole.  No idea wheter the red colour is a factor but anyway things have not been good since, regardless of the same plain diet.  Unfortunately it does not appear to have any consistent results.

Went back to the doc last week I asked again about xrays/ultrasounds, he agreed to the xray and it did show his bowel is distended and appears to be backed up. He explained that the diarrhea is just what squeezes past the constipated portion. I asked if it was encopresis and he said yes.

So He is now on 1 sachet per day of movicol day 5 today. Apparantly the night we went to the doc before starting the movicol there was "a big long thing in the toilet" (DH's description) but since then no change so far.  DS has spent the last probably 30 mins in the toilet (wiping twice only for him to need to go back and do more) the first time large next time medium then small amount with blood. He is going back to the toilet as I type  sad.gif

Anyway I guess it confuses me a bit as it doesn't seem to be what the "traditional" symptoms are, he has large amounts when he goes and generally he knows when he needs to go it just comes in such a rush that he does occasionally have an accident but not often.  His worst used to be occasional faecal incontinece at night during his sleep but thankfully that hasn't happened for awhile.

So this has turned into a bit of an essay so if you have managed to keep reading thankyou and please share your own knowledge about encopresis.

How did you get the diagnosis, what were the symptoms, what treatment was used and how long did it take to settle down, what was the cause if found? Or any other info you might have.

TIA

JJ

#2 I*Love*Christmas

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

My DS had watery poos for as long as I could remember. I thought it may have been something he was eating causing him to have diarrhea. Took him to the doctor when he was 18 mths and they said something about "toddler diarrhea" or something and that it was normal and not to give him juice.  12 months later when he was about 2.5 he had just gotten over gastro but was constantly feeling sick and throwing up and no apetite so took him to the doctor. That is when they picked up he was very constipated. He had an xray which showed he was backed up and the doctor sent us to the hospital. The paed at the hospital wasn't convinced it was so bad so were sent home with movicol. He had that for awhile until we took him off it.

Basically with him he needs water, water, water. I offer water all day long and that seems to work. If he doesn't poo once a day he can get constipated very quickly so these are things we look out for. Otherwise I am sorry I haven't dealt with it like you. Is your son perhaps holding it in? I was told the child doesn't realise they really need to go. The movicol helps everything come out easily and keeps things soft till the area goes back to normal size and they feel normal urges again.

#3 I*Love*Christmas

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

Just wanted to add I have seen a few ladies on here with lots of great advice and experience with this so hopefully one of them will see this post OP and will reply for you.

#4 JJ98

Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

Thanks HART85,

We waited about 2 months last year to see a paediatrician who brushed us off with the toddler diarrhea diagnosis, I was not happy.

I too struggle to keep him drinking lots of water - how much should a 4 yo drink?

As for holding it in, I don't think so as before TT he usually had several sloppy nappies a day and has never "appeared" to be constipated but obviously something has been going on in there!

Day 8 of the movicol today and no change as yet  sad.gif

JJ

#5 UpsyDaisy

Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:48 PM

Firstly, I am SO sorry you've been struggling with this for so long.

To answer your question Encopresis is just the medical terminology meaning faecal incontinence.

My son has Encopresis. He's 7 yo, has Autism and toilet trained late at 5 years of age. His is more constipation and accidents from holding on. He is on laxatives at the moment but the issue is still there. His pead. has us going right back to when he was toilet trained and starting all over again.

Here's some more information:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002537/

Hopefully the movical has worked, or your closer to answers.

Edited by UpsyDaisy, 13 May 2012 - 11:49 PM.


#6 New Sparkles

Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:03 AM

Hi another mother of a 6 year old girl with this problem. I feel for you all.

It is so frustrating, but now I am more concerned as its affecting her socially at school. the problem is turning into something more.

She has always wet her pants at school, then last year she started having pooey pants in the day. I didnt understand why, but then we got a diagnosis of constipation, and it made sense. She was treated for it and it improved.

Like a PP, someone- I suspect a teacher last year- had said to her dont drink water or you will just need to go to the toilet all day. .. So I am struggling with her to drink more in the day. She has been home sick this week, which was also a chance to rehydrate her and give her poor self esteem a break from school.

We are into week 3 of using parachoc everyday. And I am obsessed with observing her poos. Im also very aware that I dont want to make her feel belittled for having accidents. I tell her its not her fault, and the light up of her face just told me that she carries alot of worry about it.

So, sorry, getting a little caught up in it,

but we are parachocing her as per directions, our GP and Paed have both approved of this, and I know we have to improve veg intake and fluid intake in particular.

I have more success with her drinking cordial, so I fill her drink bottle for school with watered down cordial or apple juice. I would rather her drink a full bottle of that, than no water at all.

I have also found that I need to keep her other care givers in the loop about it. They need education and advice to about managing her when things happen at school or when shes with my parents. Thankfully, they seem to be coping ok.

I have tried reward charts, regular toileting intervals, giving her responsibility of changing her clothes, stickers, chocolate eggs to have after poos.... you name it I have tried it. I havent found anything that lasts in favour. So I just keep the fuss to a minimum about it, ask her if she needs the toilet or a change (she lies about it often) and remind her that i want to help her, and that im not angry at her for soiling.

Original poster, you sound like you have been through a whole ordeal about it all.  I hope your DS is on the improve? I really feel for you, you are trying so hard like everyone else here to help your child.
Sometimes I feel like I cant do it anymore, im way out of ideas about it all, and i get sick of people bringing it up too and asking me for answers when i dont know. I guess some things will take time to heal and improve.  





#7 hiccamups

Posted 04 June 2012 - 08:34 PM

OP, we had this when DD was little.  For her, it was gluten.  She had the distended stomach and many other symptoms.

She was never scoped but removing all gluten from her diet made all the difference.  It took a while and we also removed dairy for a time.

She now eats dairy quite fine but doesn't go near the gluten.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Exclusive Black Friday Sale!

Get over 40% off selected products, including prams, baby carriers, cloth nappies, sleeping bags and much more! 24 hours only, on May 6 - register now for your special code.

Kelly Clarkson shares first photos of son

Kelly Clarkson has shown off the first photos of her son, Remington Alexander Blackstock.

5 childbirth myths that need to be busted

Birth is an unpredictable, mysterious process that intrigues us all, and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

Mum of three fatally shot by toddler while driving

A US mother has been shot by her toddler while driving on a highway in Wisconsin.

All you need is one minute to work out

The seven-minute-work out is old news. Research shows the effectiveness of going hell-for-leather for just one minute.

Pregnant women needed to join diabetes study

Pregnant woman in country Australia will help Adelaide researchers figure out why cases of type 1 diabetes have doubled over the past two decades.

Just announced: the Mountain Buggy Unirider

It's the perfect solution to combat those toddler meltdowns when they no longer want to be in a pram but can't walk long distances.

Authorities euthanise dog that fatally bit a newborn baby

A pit bull mix that fatally bit a 3-day-old infant last week has been euthanised, authorities said.

The push for Medicare to fund lactation consultants

While meeting with a lactation consultant can make an enormous difference to a new mother, it's not a service that is available through the public health system.

Why it's perfectly natural to dislike other people's children

Members of a popular forum are fiercely debating whether it is acceptable to dislike a friend's child.

Woman gives birth on plane, names baby after airline

A pregnant woman who unexpectedly gave birth on a flight has named her new baby after the airline, Jetstar.

Heartwarming photos show the joy of adoption after foster care

Children living in foster care can feel like their future is less than clear. But that uncertainty disappears the day they are adopted by their "forever family" 

'Oh my god, it's a baby!' Mum shocked to give birth

When the cramps started to kick in, Klara Dollan just assumed a painful period was starting.

Mum's Facebook plea: 'Help me find my daughter's father'

Kerryn has a unusual present planned for daughter Imi's 13th birthday celebrations - she hopes to be able to be able to give the soon-to-be the teenager her first ever photo of her dad.

Is it possible for your house to be too clean?

Our houses are cleaner than ever before. But how clean is too clean? Could a sterile home be putting your family's health at risk?

Millions of Monkeys: puzzles that grow with your toddler

Here's a puzzle that grows with them; the Puzzle Grow Pack by Millions of Monkeys.

Baby names from Britpop

If you grew up in the 90s you might want to look to the genre of Britpop music for baby name inspiration.

What to eat and drink when you have gastro

When you catch a bug that causes acute infectious gastroenteritis (gastro), your stomach and intestinal tract become inflamed, causing diarrhoea, nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramping and pain. The last thing you probably feel like doing is eating.

'To this day, I owe her my life'

Would I have survived if I hadn't crossed that street?

Why baby Sonny needs you to vaccinate your children

Caitlin is a firm believer in the importance of immunisation to protect children from harmful and deadly diseases.

Five-year-old's photo captures beauty of motherhood

There is no make-up or special outfits and hairdos, but the five-year-old boy who took this picture captured the essence of motherhood as well as any professional photographer.

Babies know whether you are naughty or nice

Studies have shown that infants in the first months of life try to avoid dealing with social wrongdoers - for example, sharing less with them and helping them less - and they expect others to, too.

 
Advertisement
 

Top 5 Articles

Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

The babies who are one in 70 million

Bethani Webb was excited to find out she was pregnant, but the first time mum did not realise she was carrying four babies not one.

Exclusive Black Friday Sale!

Get over 40% off selected products, including prams, baby carriers, cloth nappies, sleeping bags and much more! 24 hours only, on May 6 - register now for your special code.

Cafe offers breastfeeding mums a free cup of tea

A Sydney cafe is offering breastfeeding mums free cups of tea in a bid to show support for the right of women to nurse their babies wherever they choose.

To snip or not to snip? When the decision is not clear cut

Jamie Oliver, who considered a vasectomy, is to be a father again. A fellow dad reflects on his own decision 11 years ago

Doctors stunned by rare twins born almost six weeks apart

To everyone's surprise, Kristen Miller "kept doing better each day", keeping her second baby safe.

Baby book ideas for modern parents

Before my son was born I was given a lovely baby book full of blank pages waiting to be filled with weights and heights and first words.

The adorable smile of a baby seeing his mum clearly for the first time

There is no doubt seeing their child smile for the first time is an unforgettable moment for parents everywhere.

Mum tells how toddler 'nearly hung himself' in cot mishap

When Alison Johnson put her 18-month-old Caleb down for a nap, she had no reason to believe her son was in any danger.

Babies are still switched at birth? Yes, it can happen

All my panic and tears aside, my biggest question looking back is about the kind of security measures used in the maternity ward.

Doctors slammed for taking selfie with newborn

Everyone who visits a mum in hospital in the days following childbirth wants to get a photo with the new baby.

ergoPouch Twosie Sleepsuit for winter breastfeeding

Finally, there's a way to keep warm while breastfeeding through winter.

Health check: How long does sex 'normally' last?

What to do with this information? My advice would be to try not to think about it during the throes of passion.

When breastfeeding sucks: fixing common problems

From niplash to tight boobs, biting to milk supply issues, Pinky McKay looks at common breastfeeding issues and how to solve them.

10 things I've learnt in my first six months with twins

Six months on we're all still alive, and the more we get to know each other the easier the days become.

Mum's loving kiss leaves baby fighting for life

Kirsty Carrington thought nothing of giving her newborn son a kiss, little did she know it would leave the baby fighting for life.

When doing chores is your new 'me time'

After children, 'me time' looks a little different.

Get going: 14 travel strollers for families on the move

A stroller can make or break travelling with a baby or toddler. Here are 15 great single travel stroller options.

10 ways toddlers are terrific

It always pays to remind yourself of how terrific toddlers can be - they're little like this for such a short time

 

ENTER NOW

Do your kids love bananas?

This is the comp for you! We have $800 worth of Myer gift cards and boxes of Australian Bananas to be won. Entry is simple: just post a pic of your little one enjoying a banana in the comments of the FB post to enter.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.