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#76 magicalmotherhood

Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

This is so so heartbreaking. I just can't stop crying and could visualise myself holding that little angel. May her soul rest in peace and I'm sure she is happy to know she had such loving parents. Well-done to her mum for being so brave and trying to bring more awareness for other parents and babies. Kaliah will come back to you in future, maybe karma decided it's not time for her to be here yet, but she will come back to you. XOXO, Aartee

#77 sprinkle

Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (bottle~rocket @ 20/04/2012, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think there needs to be much more publicity and action on the part of GPs to encourage couples who are planning pregnancy to get boosters for pertussis.  

It was certainly not something I was aware of while we were trying to conceive.  I saw a GP for a preconception appointment and a fertility specialist and neither of them ever mentioned it.

That story is absolutely tragic. I must say that I didn't know this either. I was vaccinated when I was younger and assumed this was enough. For what it's worth, I will visit my GP after reading this, as we are hoping to be pregnant soon. So sad  sad.gif  She is very brave to publish her story... such a beautiful baby

#78 LifeGoesOn

Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:54 PM

Very sad outcome. For the record I was not made aware that WC was an issue when I found out I was pregnant. I only became aware of it at the hospital after giving birth.

What I did find strange in the article republished by EB was why was the WA mentioned at the top of the article if the mother is based in America?

Not that it makes it any less tragic, however it does 'lead' the reader to believe that the mother is based in Australia.

#79 bestjobever

Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

QUOTE (Put lipstick on it @ 19/04/2012, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just that she made a point of saying the baby was planned. You'd think that would be part of the planning.

Really? I have never heard of any Dr suggesting a WC booster before pregnancy. My Dr gave me one AFTER bub was born. Most people wouldn't think to even ask for a WC vaccine in the planning stage especially for a first child.

This is such a sad tragic story.

I do not blame the mum at all.

#80 beabea

Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:12 AM

Oh gosh.

I read just yesterday that in the California pertussis outbreak of 2010, 80% of the kids affected were fully vaccinated against it. It's pretty hard to explain that away other than by the vaccine simply not working.

PP's have already made some great arguments about numbers of kids vaccinated and severity of symptoms with vaccination etc, but the other point to be made is that if the population as a whole was sufficiently vaccinated there wouldn't have been an outbreak in the first place. And that's the same point this article is trying to make. Socratic dog learned a bit about immunology but got sick the day they taught the more-relevant course on epidemiology, apparently.

(Also, I think trying to liken pertussis to the vertical transmission of hepB to a newborn under 2 months is a bit of a stretch. I encourage everyone to discuss their individual family's disease risks with their doctors in advance. Your doctor can take into account various risk factors specific to you including number of in-contact people, vaccination/disease status of in-contact people, lifestyle, location/type of community you live in, etc. Having this talk with your GP in the planning stages before pregnancy has occurred is definitely the best strategy, but during pregnancy is still very useful.)

Poor family.

Edited by beabea, 21 April 2012 - 01:21 AM.

#81 IamzFeralz

Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (beabea @ 21/04/2012, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PP's have already made some great arguments about numbers of kids vaccinated and severity of symptoms with vaccination etc, but the other point to be made is that if the population as a whole was sufficiently vaccinated there wouldn't have been an outbreak in the first place. And that's the same point this article is trying to make. Socratic dog learned a bit about immunology but got sick the day they taught the more-relevant course on epidemiology, apparently.

I agree.  When you read responses from non vaccinators they often say that the disease has mutated to a form not covered by the vaccine, so what''s the point?  However, they seem to miss the point that if vaccination levels had been kept sufficiently high perhaps there would have been fewer evolutionary opportunities for it to mutate in the community.

I found the article a difficult read, Kaliah was such a beautiful baby.  I'm amazed that her mother has found the strength to become an advocate.  I'd be a mess in her shoes.  She sounds a fantastic mother because she is still advocating for Kaliah even though she has passed away.

#82 purplekitty

Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:05 PM

Apparently 1.5 million people have viewed Kahlia's story on Shot of Prevention.


Edited to try and fix link. Damn you iPad.

Edited by purplekitty, 21 April 2012 - 01:13 PM.

#83 EBeditor

Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

EB's copy of the story (with some local info added) has been shared more than 2000 times on Facebook. The mother is so amazing and strong to become an advocate and share her story, despite the profound grief she must be feeling.

#84 mrs_bubbles

Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

cry1.gif Just devestating, tears streamed reading this.

What a brave mum for sharing her heartbreaking story.

I hope this changes the mind of anybody who is anti vaccination.

#85 Epitome

Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (bottle~rocket @ 20/04/2012, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think there needs to be much more publicity and action on the part of GPs to encourage couples who are planning pregnancy to get boosters for pertussis.

I recently got my renewal notice for my drivers licence, about a thrid of the letter was taken up with an advertisement/public health notice recommending that everyone who is thinking of starting a family gets their vaccinations updated.

I had WC two years ago (lapsed vaccination) it was horrendous.  Fortunately. I used this as a trigger afterwards to make sure I got all my boosters - DH was in the army for 7 years so hes vaccinated againsted everything, and then some

#86 Guest_bottle~rocket_*

Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:07 PM

What state is this in Melbelle?  We only found out about the WC booster from an MCHN after our baby was born.

In Vic the government offers a free WC vaccine to parents of newborns and partners of pregnant women.  However if you are planning a pregnancy you have to pay for it yourself.  

#87 jcbenny

Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:10 PM

It's brave of such a young mum to write this story.

#88 F1widow

Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE (melbelle @ 21/04/2012, 08:48 PM)
I recently got my renewal notice for my drivers licence, about a thrid of the letter was taken up with an advertisement/public health notice recommending that everyone who is thinking of starting a family gets their vaccinations updated.

I had WC two years ago (lapsed vaccination) it was horrendous.  Fortunately. I used this as a trigger afterwards to make sure I got all my boosters - DH was in the army for 7 years so hes vaccinated againsted everything, and then some

That's awesome! I wonder if health notices in the mail get taken notice of a bit more now that letters in the post are novelty?
It would be interesting to see research on demographics of people who don't vaccinate and what their decision making process is like. I have this preconceived notion that they're all ignorant hippy conspiracy theorists but that's because the only non-vaccinator I've known believed the moon landing was faked and was married to a long-term unemployed stoner. I realise this is obviously a stupid generalisation but I've been too afraid to check the anti-vac threads just in case my suspicions were confirmed. You can't reason with people like that and it worries me. original.gif

#89 alli01

Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:53 AM

OMG tears running down my face reading this   cry1.gif .  Poor girl, and so brave for wwriting this story, lets hope people take notice.  She's just made a good point that NOT having vaccinations is more harmful than having them.  My family including the grandparents have had all theirs updated, and the government does incentives and rebates etc for these too.  I had my WC vacc done again 6 months ago in hospital after I had my DS and hubby and his done at the doc's for free the same week.  It's actually a shame that they have made it mandatory for mother's now in hospital to have this vaccine after they have the baby but not for the fathers they have to organise it themselves.  

So much more research and funding is going into improving these vaccines it's so not worth not having them done.

#90 1st time mummy...

Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:59 PM

This story brings me to tears cry1.gif Such a beautiful, little baby girl taken way too soon!

As I read this story though it makes me realise just how thankful I am that my son survived this horrible, PREVENTABLE disease when he was only 12 weeks old (3 months).

He had his 6 week needles (1st of 3 WC vaccinations) and the doctors assured me we would have probably been faced with a tragic outcome if he didn't have these. I had been vaccinated so had my DH and ALL immediate family. We don't know where he got WC from but definately know it was from the WIDER community. The thing people don't realise is that babies can pick up this illness so easily and simply from going to the local supermarket!

My son spent a week in hospital on oxygen and struggling to breathe. I think all anti vaccine parents need to spend a day in a children's hospital or intensive care unit to see these poor babies suffering from WC and maybe, just maybe, they would think twice about it!

My son is fully vaccinated but to those parents who don't agree with all vaccinations...at least consider this one! It SAVES LIVES and WC is a preventable disease that is killing innocent babies!!

#91 ednaboo

Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:34 PM

Such a tragic story, and such a beautiful little girl.

According to the National Immunisation Progran Schedule a booster for pertussis should be given at age 15 - 17 years of age.  I wonder if the mother ever got that booster?  I don't know how the program works with older children.  Is there a reminder sent out?  Are these vaccinations given at school or do parents have to follow it up with a GP?

#92 purplekitty

Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:54 PM

^ This happened in the US.

#93 caz411

Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (EBeditor @ 19/04/2012, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is my understanding that more vaccinated children catch the disease because there are simply many more vaccinated children! They are likely to have a much milder case of it and be less infectious though.

Absolutely.  The antivaxxer claim that because vaccinated people still get some of these diseases, the vaccines are useless, is a strawman fallacy.  Vaccines are imperfect, and a goodly proportion of people vaccinated against certain diseases will still contract them, the big difference is because they have been exposed to the antigens via a vaccine their immune system is already armed against the infection and can respond much more rapidly.  Hence they may still contract it, but the course of the disease is milder and they recover sooner.

Antivaxxers take an all or nothing approach to vaccines, in that if something doesn't work according to their understanding then it just doesn't work at all.  Thats not how the human immune system works.

#94 caz411

Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (TinCat @ 19/04/2012, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How devastating for that family sad.gif

Can anyone tell me how long the adult booster lasts for please? I had mine a few years ago when friends of ours were having babies and was wondering if I would need to get it again yet?

Truth be told we are not entirely sure.  It's probably about ten years, but I know several doctors who recommend boosters more frequently for child care workers and anyone who will come in contact with babies and young children.

And since we use an acellular vaccine now (to reduce adverse effects) it's a little bit less effective than the older cellular one, so it may be less than 10 years and does not "take" in some people.

SO even after you vaccinate, be very selective about your contacts.

My son got whooping cough after vaccination.  Because he had received two of his three doses, he had a very mild case (like a bad cold, with no characteristic "whoop" at all) and it was only diagnosed on a swab after I was diagnosed with it.  And as I was a medical student I'd had my booster - clearly I was unlucky because I had a fairly bad case.

#95 ednaboo

Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 02/05/2012, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ This happened in the US.

Right you are - somehow I missed that.  I also missed this the first time I read it:
I hadn’t gotten the vaccine in 5 years and I needed it for school when I was pregnant, but they wanted to wait till after I gave birth.

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