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#51 Gangnam Style

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:08 PM

What a terribly sad story.  sad.gif

I wonder why the mother wasn't vaccinated though?



#52 purplekitty

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Socratic Dog @ 19/04/2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suffice to say that my research suggested my nagging suspicion was correct: there is a bit of a credibility problem with the whole vaccine industry.  And make no mistake, it is an industry.  After 20 years as a medical professional, a part of the system, and 10 years developing medical immunoassays, culminating in owning a company in that field, this was all a bit of a shock to me.  I am glad that I learned very early in life to Question Authority.  I suggest that a few of you might try doing the same.  Your primary job as a parent is to protect your child.  Getting a bit more  knowledge in this area than is offered by Essential Baby or by the industry flogging the products would be a good start.
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Your research skills are poor then, for a medical professional of 20yrs.

Perhaps you can link us to this information and knowledge that will change our minds?


#53 Jobrielle

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 19/04/2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your research skills are poor then, for a medical professional of 20yrs.

Perhaps you can link us to this information and knowledge that will change our minds?


Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. I am stunned that someone can come into a thread like this and start spouting the kind of rubbish the PP did, especially outright lies such as trying to say that there are an equal number of vaccine injuries as deathss by the illness.

That poor baby. This shouldn't still be happening.

#54 Kaesli

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Socratic Dog @ 19/04/2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm.  A lot of very emotional responses to a not unreasonable post.  I seem to have touched a nerve.

Let me point out that the title to this article (in the SMH, anyway) was "This is why we need to vaccinate: Kaliah's Story".  It was an overtly political headline, thus introducing some gentle politics to the forum would seem fair enough.

I am not an immunologist, neither are any of you who responded.  I am a parent of three young children who was shocked to find the medical staff insisted on vaccinating his firstborn against Hepatitis B immediately following a traumatic and near-fatal birth experience.  I am also someone who knows a bit about Hepatitis B, including what the risk factors for acquiring it are, and did not think my son was likely to encounter promiscuous sex or IV drug use anytime soon.  Thus I fought them off, and went home to do some research, tempered by the nagging suspicion that any establishment that insisted on vaccinating newborns against something they have virtually no chance of acquiring until they hit their late teens has a bit of a credibility problem.

Suffice to say that my research suggested my nagging suspicion was correct: there is a bit of a credibility problem with the whole vaccine industry.  And make no mistake, it is an industry.  After 20 years as a medical professional, a part of the system, and 10 years developing medical immunoassays, culminating in owning a company in that field, this was all a bit of a shock to me.  I am glad that I learned very early in life to Question Authority.  I suggest that a few of you might try doing the same.  Your primary job as a parent is to protect your child.  Getting a bit more  knowledge in this area than is offered by Essential Baby or by the industry flogging the products would be a good start.
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Where did you get your research from? You claim it is your primary job as a parent to do protect your child. Why don't you do EXACTLY THAT??
You know a little bit about HepB????? I doubt that. Your child doesn't have to engage in unsafe sex or IV drug use to become infected. That is completely ridiculous and shows how little you actually know about this illness. It is a highly infectious disease and a lot of people carry the virus without knowing it. Your baby could get infected at mothers group or at the playground or wherever and then pass the virus on to other kids. Have you even thought about that??? Why would you expose your own child and potentially other children to that risk????
The vaccination at birth is a matter of 5 seconds and the babies don't even feel it.
I don't understand people like you.

#55 Hayleymumof3

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

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Your primary job as a parent is to protect your child.


You are right it is my primary job to protect my children that's why I Vaccinate them.

#56 CountMyStars

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

what a heartbreaking story.

years ago, as a teenager, i went to the old Melbourne Museum and they had an exhibit on preventable childhood diseases that had been *eliminated* by medical science - whooping cough, polio etc.

they had an old iron lung there.  but what made a permanent impression upon me - i will never forget it - was a looped soundtrack of a child 'whooping' and struggling to breathe.

for that reason, i insisted on all people who would be in contact with my newborns to be vaccinated.  my family thought i was crazy.  however, a baby born at the same time as my son (last January) who was seen by the same family doctor as my children, died at 6 weeks of age in the Royal Children's from whooping cough.  such an absolute tragedy.

i don't get the justifications for not vaccinating your children.  i just don't.  100 years ago there was terrible infant mortality from a range of diseases we can now prevent with immunisation.  sure, the drug companies make money.  unethical? so what.  children die of these diseases.  no child should ever have to suffer from whooping cough, and no mother should have to lose her child from a preventable illness.

#57 Ellen D

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (Put lipstick on it @ 19/04/2012, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a terribly sad story.  sad.gif

I wonder why the mother wasn't vaccinated though?


As I understand it, she was due for her booster while she was pregnant, and they wanted her to wait until she had given birth to have it.

#58 Guest_holy_j_*

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:44 PM



Why should I believe someone with 2 posts to their username, coming in here claiming to have 20 years experience in medical research? Good thing I learned early in life to question so called "authority" on certain topics.


your post reeks of a copy paste job from anti vaxx websites. You disgust me.

Edited by catalyst, 22 April 2012 - 05:36 AM.
Personal attack


#59 Gangnam Style

Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (lady-android @ 19/04/2012, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I understand it, she was due for her booster while she was pregnant, and they wanted her to wait until she had given birth to have it.


It's just that she made a point of saying the baby was planned. You'd think that would be part of the planning.



#60 BetteBoop

Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Socratic Dog @ 19/04/2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seem to have touched a nerve.


Yes, you did. It's the nerve that reacts to inane dribble.

#61 Flimsy*But*Fun

Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:00 PM

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Your primary job as a parent is to protect your child.

It seems our job, as parents, is to protect YOUR children as well as our own.

#62 GoldenBlack

Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (BetteBoop @ 19/04/2012, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, you did. It's the nerve that reacts to inane dribble.


Unfortunately, some people seem to think they've 'won' an argument factually if they post something inflammatory and idiotic.  Maybe it's how they can compensate for lacking scientific evidence?

I can't even begin to understand the argument - even if vaccines DID cause autism which there is zero proof of, there is absolutely no comparison between 'autistic' and 'dead'.  Give me a happy, healthy autistic child any day, over one dead of whooping cough, for the love of dog.  

If vaccines cause some level of illness, I will rather take that over dead.

If vaccines very rarely cause death, I will take that over 'very commonly causes death'.

Edited by Goldenblack, 19 April 2012 - 06:47 PM.


#63 zande

Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

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What a terribly sad story.  

I wonder why the mother wasn't vaccinated though?

I was wondering this too. I was expecting to read that the baby had caught WC from a visitor or something, who hadn't been vaccinated.


#64 Mamabug

Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:09 PM

You can still get whooping cough if you are vaccinated. It is usually a milder impact. She may not have been aware that her level of vaccination was compromised whe she was ttc.

I wasn't aware that my rubella status was dodgy until I conceived my first. I was fully immunised and thought I was fine. I had a booster after she was born..and after my next three were born as blood tests when pg with each showed the vaccination was no longer effective. I have had four booster shots in six years.



#65 Jane Jetson

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Socratic Dog @ 19/04/2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your primary job as a parent is to protect your child.


Yep. From measles, mumps, diphtheria, whooping cough, ending up in an iron lung and from people like you who delight in spreading misinformation with either malicious intent, or with a completely incompetent grasp of the issues involved.

#66 namie

Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

Such a sad story, I really feel for Chelsey and any other parents who lose a child to a preventable illness.

DP got his whooping cough vaccine a few weeks before DS2 arrived. I had the booster in hospital and everyone who came in contact with him in the first few weeks (not many people as we live interstate from all family) got their booster before coming to see us. They were all happy to do so. My mum had already booked an appointment with her GP when I mentioned it to her, she said she wouldn't have dreamed of visiting without it!

QUOTE (TinCat @ 19/04/2012, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can anyone tell me how long the adult booster lasts for please? I had mine a few years ago when friends of ours were having babies and was wondering if I would need to get it again yet?

You can have your immunity checked which is the best thing to do. I think the time it lasts for varies depending on the person.


#67 Angelic80

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

Ladies, would really appreciate a response. I am due for an Embryo Transfer this Sunday.

Not sure if I am vaccinated against this. Is it possible to get the shot during pregnancy or will I have to do it before?

Thanks heaps.

#68 Soontobegran

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Socratic Dog @ 19/04/2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm.  A lot of very emotional responses to a not unreasonable post.  I seem to have touched a nerve.


Suffice to say that my research suggested my nagging suspicion was correct: there is a bit of a credibility problem with the whole vaccine industry.  And make no mistake, it is an industry.  After 20 years as a medical professional, a part of the system, and 10 years developing medical immunoassays, culminating in owning a company in that field, this was all a bit of a shock to me.  I am glad that I learned very early in life to Question Authority.



Yes, you touched my raw nerve. Whilst I think there is a distinct possibility that you are an old member who is trying to disguise this fact by opening a new account, the fact that you did it to post anti vacc propaganda in a thread that was started to discuss the needless loss of a precious baby to a preventable disease was all sorts of disgraceful to me.


Aside from that I think you need to rethink these research skills you talk about.
Any research from any reputable source will tell you that the risk of vaccinating are overwhelmingly less than the risks of not and you can argue this until the cows come home but you'll be wrong.
Shame on you.

#69 Eternally

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:14 PM

Socratic dog, the reason hep b vaccine is given immediately after birth is to reduce the risk of vertical transmission.

Edited by Eternally, 19 April 2012 - 09:15 PM.


#70 Feralina

Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (Angelic80 @ 19/04/2012, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ladies, would really appreciate a response. I am due for an Embryo Transfer this Sunday.

Not sure if I am vaccinated against this. Is it possible to get the shot during pregnancy or will I have to do it before?

Thanks heaps.


Angelic, from what I've read and understand, most GPs will avoid doing the vax during pregnancy unless it's a high risk situation, as there is no evidence that it will not negatively impact the foetus - however, there is also no evidence that it could negatively impact the foetus in any way. There just haven't been enough studies done on it either way.

My GP was happy to give me the vax during pregnancy (end of second trimester, I think it was, or beginning of third) because there was an outbreak in my local community at the time. We've had no problems at all in terms of the pregnancy and my little boy, luckily, but that's just my experience :-)


edited to make more sense.

Edited by strawberrymojo, 19 April 2012 - 09:26 PM.


#71 TsubakiHiki

Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:50 AM

After reading this, I was in tears. Chelsey is brave to tell her tragic story and the loss of her newborn is just beyond words. I cannot fathom how much I wanted to protect my son from these diseases. I'm fortunate I made the right decision to vaccinate my son. Some mothers out there may disagree with my decision, but it's their choice.

Thank you for putting this up.

#72 chicken_bits

Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (namie @ 19/04/2012, 08:07 PM)
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Such a sad story, I really feel for Chelsey and any other parents who lose a child to a preventable illness.

DP got his whooping cough vaccine a few weeks before DS2 arrived. I had the booster in hospital and everyone who came in contact with him in the first few weeks (not many people as we live interstate from all family) got their booster before coming to see us. They were all happy to do so. My mum had already booked an appointment with her GP when I mentioned it to her, she said she wouldn't have dreamed of visiting without it!


You can have your immunity checked which is the best thing to do. I think the time it lasts for varies depending on the person.


You can't get immunity checked for WC. my mum tried to get it checked before DD was born bc she didn't want to get another shot. Got it sent to the lab and everything, only to find that it can't be tested. Talk to your GP.

Edited by chicken_bits, 20 April 2012 - 10:22 AM.


#73 Honeymummy

Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

This made me cry so much....how devastating..

#74 Feralmummacat

Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:10 PM

I too had tears flowing down my face. My heart goes out to the family.

DS1 was in hospital 18+ months ago (unrelated to WC) when there was an outbreak of WC. It was so heartbreaking to listen to the tiny babies fighting for every breath.

I did my research from reputable medical and scientific sources and have vaccinated both my children.

#75 Guest_bottle~rocket_*

Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Put lipstick on it @ 19/04/2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just that she made a point of saying the baby was planned. You'd think that would be part of the planning.


I think there needs to be much more publicity and action on the part of GPs to encourage couples who are planning pregnancy to get boosters for pertussis.  

It was certainly not something I was aware of while we were trying to conceive.  I saw a GP for a preconception appointment and a fertility specialist and neither of them ever mentioned it.




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