Jump to content

Help please - not feeding today


  • Please log in to reply
26 replies to this topic

#1 rosiebird

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

My 4.5 month old is not feeding properly. She had 2 grizzly days, feeding constantly and my supply increased, leaving me with sore, hard, lumpy breasts. I block fed last night (several feeds from the right breast) because it was much more engorged, lumpy and painful than the other breast. Now today, she has block fed from the other breast - and after a full day of feeding from only the left breast, it is still lumpy, engorged and painful!! She hasn't had a wet nappy since lunch time, no dirty nappy all day and she isn't really feeding properly. She's arching her back and protesting after sucking for only a few seconds, then she bites down hard on my nipple with her hard gums and cries. She's not sleeping well today either.

We had a long day travelling yesterday evening and today so I wonder if it's just because she's unsetlled.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. My breasts hurt, I'm overtired and she's cranky (and presumably hungry and thirsty as well).



#2 Mamabug

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:19 PM

Rosie, sorry to hear you are both having a rough day.

All I can think of is, if your breast is engorged, the nipple may be to hard for her to attach properly, resulting in the fussy behaviour?

If it is, hand express a bit of milk to soften the nipple and then let her try attaching.

Express of a bit of milk to relieve pressure, but don't empty the breast as that will just stimulate supply. When feeding - if possible - take off your bra and let the other breast drip freely to relieve pressure as well.

Of course, you know the drill about wet nappies etc, and I have no doubt you will be keeping a close eye on your little one. original.gif

Random stray thought - possible early teething? Does she have any swollen gums or "tooth buds"? Try rubbing her gums gently and see if that helps to settle her?

#3 kissy10

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

Stop me if you have already done this, have you seen a lac consultant? If you are in Melb, I have an awesome lady!!

Mamabug has some excellent advice. Try expressing a bit first or a warm compress.

#4 Jenferal

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:53 PM

Could she have a sore throat or earache? Some babies go off feeding when they have an ear ache (though mine never did.)
Does she have a temp?
If she's not had a wet or dirty nappy by tomorrow morning I'd possibly take her to the ED to get checked over. Or a GP for a second opinion. It's different I would think when it's your own child and not someone else's

#5 Expelliarmus

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:57 PM

I would express off to soften the breast and massage to get the lumps out. It does sound like she is having trouble latching onto the engorged breast.

Another possibility - since she's clearly not had a lot ingested today, is that she is teething and is finding it painful to suck. Will she suck on a dummy/clean finger? If she won't do that either she is probably teething or has an ear ache and it hurts to suck.

If she is refusing the left breast her right ear might be paining her.

To get something into her, if she won't attach or suck, spoon or cup fed what you express out.

Edited by howdo, 16 April 2012 - 07:58 PM.


#6 winkywonkeydonkey

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:02 PM

I would take her to the GP tomorrow. Whenever my babies acted like this they either had an ear infection or a sore throat.It sounds like she could be unwell. will she sip water from a sippy cup?

Hope she is a bit more settled tonight for you.

#7 Mamabug

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

Another thought!

When mine were struggling to feed when unwell, I would express into a 10ml syringe and drop feed them that way. Was a time consuming, but I found it easier than expressing fully and then re-heating and feeding. And I only expressed as much as they would take.

#8 Guest_Dinah_Harris_*

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

Hi there,
Sorry to hear about the feeding issues.  I had a lot of problems so my initial thoughts are:

Your breasts are too full and hard for her to get a good grip on.  Perhaps try expressing a bit to soften them?  Would also help that lumpy, large discomfort.

Sickness as mentioned.  I assume you've had no previous issues with reflux?

I'd definitely get her checked by a doctor if she's still not feeding tomorrow.

#9 SplashingRainbows

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

Agree with all the pp suggestions.

One thing that has worked for me when my baby wouldn't feed (due to illness) is to express some into a sterile cup an use a syringe to drop into baby's mouth. Once he got the taste and had a few ml that way he would then attach and feed properly.

I would be expressing as much as possible and feeding anyway you can get it into her. Both your breasts are likely to be engorged by now and it is important you keep them working as much as possible to avoid mastitis, or a drop in supply.

Hope you find something that works.

Snap mamabug!

#10 rosiebird

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:19 PM

Good news, I finally got her off to sleep and then gave her a dream feed - she fed for 20min!! (Normally less than 5min for a feed). She must have been starving, the poor little thing. I know it was a good feed because my poor, lumpy, engorged breast is now completely soft and empty.

All evening she was sucking everything else in sight - my fingers, toys, my dinner plate - but I think she was too overstimulated to concentrate on feeding. She wasn't

I've still got lumps in the other breast but she can work on that one overnight  wink.gif I've got a feeling she's going to be up and down all night.

I have a suspicion that she is "reverse cycling" because I had a very busy week at work and couldn't spend much time with her during the day - so I think she is making up "mummy time" at night.

#11 Mamabug

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

Good to hear Rosie!

And a possible preview to when she hits the "stickybeak" stage mine is at now she's almost 8m months. Can't settle to feed during the day when there something - anything! - going on around her, but will happily feed when asleep, and two or three times at night!

#12 rosiebird

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

Has anyone else fed all day from one breast and all night from the other?

I used to give one side per feed and even though the breast wasn't drained, it was comfortably soft. Now, it is taking 5-6 feeds to drain one side and by that time the other side is starting to ache. Is block feeding a good idea or should I switch sides each feed?

I had these problems when she was a newborn, I thought we had it all figured out until this week!

Also, it is usually only one segment of the breast that is badly affected (ie. the whole breast will be full but the inner/lower quadrant of the breast will be one enormous painful lump). Does that mean that there is a blockage? \

#13 libbylu

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

I think if you look it up all the baby books say that many babies go through a breast refusal stage around 4-5 months.  My DS did this.  He hardly fed for two weeks.  It was quite distressing and painful as I was so engorged all the time.  The only real decent feeds were at night or when he was sleepy.  It's hard to imagine how he survived on so little.  In any case, it stopped as suddenly as it started and he was back to big normal feeds again.  It was such a relief.  Hopefully it doesn't last that long for you.

#14 Guest_Dinah_Harris_*

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

If it were me, I'd try to get back to switching sides, although by the same age, my DD was feeding from both sides each feed?
Block feeding I think does tend to increase the risk of mastitis, if my memory serves me correctly.
If the lump is painful, it could well be a blockage.  Can you try to massage it?  I used to use my shower nozzle on painful lumps, the hot water directed full blast worked quite well!


#15 Riotproof

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:06 PM

Rosie, that does sound like a blockage that could lead to mastitis. Can you try standing under a hot shower and massaging it out? It only happened to me once and I managed to get it out that way.

Don't avoid feeding from the lumpy one. You can massage it at the same time and try to position the baby so she drains the lump.

Edited by Riotproof, 16 April 2012 - 09:06 PM.


#16 suline

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE
try to position the baby so she drains the lump.


Try and aim her chin in the direction of the lumpy area…awkward if it is on top though  biggrin.gif

#17 rosiebird

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:16 PM

Riotproof, thanks for that advice. She has managed to drain the lump little by little each feed today but it took from 6am to 8pm. I tried to position her in different ways to drain all quadrants of the breast but she was too cross. It's definitely not mastitis - yet - but I don't want it to develop.

Dinah, I've had oversupply issues since day dot so she's never managed to finish the milk from one breast, even on a normal day when she's feeding 2-4hrly. It means I'm lopsided after a feed but it worked okay

Libby, glad to know that the breast refusal stage doesn't last!

Mamabug, she is becoming extremely distractible. I'm trying to feed her in a quiet dark room but it's not always possible and even in the bedroom there seems to be fascinating things for her to look around at (and taking my nipple with her!)

#18 mummyinahurry

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:25 PM

Have you tried feeding EBM from a bottle? That helps when my DS is too cranky to breastfeed properly. Just an idea  original.gif

#19 lucky 2

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:30 PM

QUOTE
I have a suspicion that she is "reverse cycling" because I had a very busy week at work and couldn't spend much time with her during the day - so I think she is making up "mummy time" at night.

Before you made this post I was thinking of suggesting you retire to bed with her, have quiet time and skin to skin/on your chest naked (with nappy) time, but you are very intune with her and yourself so you may be right with the above.
Reverse cycling could be the busyness and as mamabug said it could be the common distractibility that peaks at aound 4 months.
http://kellymom.com/parenting/parenting-fa...tractible-baby/

If the most congested area is the lower segment perhaps try bfing lying in bed then her chin will be where the problem is.

As per pp's I'd be concerned if your repeated feeding on one side led to congestion on the other breast.

How about making sure your areola is soft, attaching well, catching her when she is snoozy or asleep, ? warm pack ac, gentle massage during feeding, maximise the milk intake on that side with gentle breast compressions. If she wants more then of course offer the same breast if it is not softened.
You could then use a cold pack if needed and consider antiinflammatory medication if you are someone who can take them.
If you other breast is uncomfortable from not being fed then express enough for comfort and move on to that breast for the next feed.
The above is usual management of an oversupply.
If you actually have symptoms of mastitis such as redness or fever/myalgia then I'd be expressing after feeds to aid milk removal.
Could you give ABA a ring too and if this keeps up and your breasts are not settling down then getting in touch with a LC could be helpful in guiding you.
All the best.


#20 rosiebird

Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:58 PM

Sounds like a plan, Lucky2. I'll start doing that from tonight. She's fast asleep now with a full tummy so hopefully she will sleep a few hours.

#21 lucky 2

Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

I hope the night goes well and that you avoid any further complications (ie mastitis), I suppose you can only be on the alert and be guided by your breasts and baby. And I hope you get some sleep!
All the best.

#22 Riotproof

Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:07 AM

Does it feel any better, Rosie?

#23 Soontobegran

Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:13 AM

Just saw this thread.......hope she is doing better today Rosie.

#24 wallofdodo

Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:10 AM

To help clear the lumps when she is feeding, you can sort of massage the lump towards the nipple.

And as for the one side, towards the end, I pretty much fed exclusively from one side. A couple of suck on the right, then a full feed on the left.

Hope you had a quite night and today is relatively normal... whatever normal is! It seems to change every few days with a baby.

#25 CharliMarley

Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Mamabug @ 16/04/2012, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Random stray thought - possible early teething? Does she have any swollen gums or "tooth buds"? Try rubbing her gums gently and see if that helps to settle her?

My babies all had teeth by this age, so perhaps this is what is happening and some children/baby's panadol will help and make your baby more comfortable. wub.gif




2 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Tot meets his heroes, falls apart with excitement

Two-year-old Quincy finished his potty training last week, and as part of his reward he was able to meet his idols.

Beautiful in our eyes: Georgia's story

I will never deny the fact that grief has a place when you give birth to a child who brings a set of circumstances very different to what you imagined. Because for nine months, I thought I knew my Georgie.

'It's been phenomenal': widower dad of quads thankful for support

There was nothing Erica and Carlos wanted more than a baby.

Vin Diesel names daughter after actor Paul Walker

The actor said there was "no other person" he was thinking about when he chose the name.

How midwives can help women who experience domestic violence

More than half of women who live with abusive partners experience violence during pregnancy.

Mum describes giving birth during Cyclone Pam

A new mother was told she must flee Port Vila hospital with her baby as Cyclone Pam bore down.

6 signs you're done having babies

There were a few signs I'm never going back to the land of maternity jeans, breast pumps and bassinets.

Marta Dusseldorp reveals breastfeeding cost her an acting job

Australian actress Marta Dusseldorp has revealed she was forced to withdraw from a Sydney Theatre Company production because a director did not approve of her breast feeding.

Female celebs (or their babies) with traditionally male names

Looking for a name that's a little bit different for a girl? Turn to names that have been traditionally used for males, as these celebs (or their parents) did.

'If you're anti-immunisation ... take a look at this picture of my son'

Greg Hughes is "an absolute shell of a man" as he and his wife Catherine struggle to come to terms with the loss of their newborn son Riley to whooping cough.

How an extrovert can raise an introvert

Introverts are often misunderstood as shy, and sometimes even rude. A timid child can be difficult to build rapport with, but it's important we nurture their sensitive natures.

Sheryl Sandberg's advice

'Choreplay': Help out at home to get more sex, Sandberg tells men

Forget foreplay. The new and improved route to intercourse is "choreplay" - it's good for your spouse, good for your house, and comes with the imprimatur of feminist du jour Sheryl Sandberg.

How to play with your baby

The first time your child learns a new skill at playtime is very exciting - for both you and your baby! Play is important to your child's development for a variety of reasons - here are some simple ideas for you to try at home.

I'm a single mother by choice

For me, being the best mother I can be means being a mum alone, at least for now. Thinking of my friends with inadequate partners, I wonder why more people don’t choose single motherhood.

Awkward wedding photos

Weird poses, surprise photobombs, bizarre editing: these are the wedding photos that should have never seen the light of day.

Four-week-old baby Riley Hughes dies of whooping cough

The mother of a four-week-old Perth baby who died after contracting whooping cough says her family has been left devastated by the loss of her "gorgeous, sweet" son.

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, we are giving away five DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Oh boy! Video shows family's reaction to baby surprise

Little Peyton Williams thought she was getting a baby sister named Charlee. But the two-year-old has had to settle for a doll dressed in pink after her baby "sister" turned out to be a boy.

How to help build up your baby's immune system

We all know that having a strong immune system is the best way to stay healthy – but what can we do to help it along?

'Nick, you need to call an ambulance': home birth mum's tragic death

A Melbourne mum who died after the home birth of her baby pleaded with her husband to call an ambulance because she felt she was going to die, the Victorian Coroners Court has heard.

When dads believe their baby doesn't 'like' them

Q: My two-month-old baby doesn't like me. He's perfectly content with my wife, but when I try to hold him, he gets upset and cries. I've backed off a little, thinking that he just needs a little time to get used to me, but that doesn't seem to be working. I'm starting to think I'm just not a very good dad. Is it too late for me to build a relationship with my baby?

When was the last time a stranger praised your parenting?

Wouldn’t it be great to get some nice feedback every now and then? After all, everyone likes to hear positive praise, particularly when it comes to parenting.

Special Ticket Offer, Save $8!

The Essential Baby & Toddler Show is back this April! Save $8 off the door price for a limited time only!

15 names on the verge of extinction

If you're looking to revive an older name, or don’t want anything near the top 1000 list, check out these rare monikers for your unique baby.

5 characteristics of great dads

It’s great to see a generation of dads who are more actively involved with caring, nurturing and loving their kids.

Why doesn't Australia have more breast milk banks?

When there’s no question that milk banks are important, why don’t we have more of them in Australia?

Carrie Bickmore announces birth of daughter

Television personality Carrie Bickmore has given birth to her second child.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

Man faces jail after giving woman abortion pill smoothie

A Norwegian man is facing jail after putting abortion pills in his ex-girlfriend's smoothie, causing her to have a miscarriage.

'He's a blessing': family of baby born without eyes

Jordy Jackson was born without eyes. He has anophthalmia, which affects one in every 100,000 babies born.

Win one of 5 Cadbury Easter Hampers

With Easter fast approaching, Cadbury are giving away 5 Cadbury Easter Hampers. Enter Now!

Super fit model Sarah Stage defends her pregnancy body

Model Sarah Stage has defended her pregnancy body after critics claimed her slim figure at eight-and-a-half months pregnant wasn't "normal".

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom and Peppa Pig prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, Essential Baby and Entertainment One are giving away five bumper DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Why I post breastfeeding photos online

I love to take pictures of my children. In some of the pictures, my younger son is nursing.

The day I broke my baby

There are things I wish I didn't know. I wish I didn't know that companies make tiny braces, small enough to hold necks no bigger than a wrist.

The place just for dads of multiples

When a couple discovers they're expecting multiples, the dad can sometimes be almost forgotten in all the excitement and preparation. But one group offers a space just for dads of twins and higher-order multiples.

Brave mum calls for domestic violence law reform

A brave mum of two has shared details of the harrowing attacks she suffered at the hands of her partner in a bid to help other victims of domestic violence.

Why I had the new test for Down syndrome

Early last year I turned 35, and having just found out I was pregnant, I opted to have the new test for Down syndrome.

Geeky baby gear

If your family is more into Star Wars, gaming and the periodic table than most, you might want to check out these geek-chic baby items.

2015: the year of the sheep

According to the Chinese zodiac, babies born in the year of the sheep are creative and enjoy spending quiet time with their own thoughts.

Breakthrough genetic testing now available in Australia

Pregnant women will for the first time have access to locally analysed, accurate, non-invasive pre-natal genetic testing when the first Australian clinic to offer the services opens its doors next week.

Grandbabies: the babies born looking old

Not a day under 65 and a lifetime of struggle! That's the look of these newborns, who look adorably older than their real age. Social networking site Reddit recently featured user submissions of adorable grandbabies, here are our favourites.

Family kicked off flight after toddler seatbelt drama

An entire family was kicked off a Cathay Pacific flight when a misbehaving toddler refused to put his seatbelt on.

Stolen baby found after 17 years

A baby stolen from her mother's arms shortly after birth has been found through an astonishing coincidence.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

Clever breastfeeding products

Check out this range of products designed to help make your breastfeeding journey more enjoyable, manageable and convenient.

 

Sign up now!

30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Receive a daily email from Essential Baby during April with great play tips and ideas, then submit your baby at play photos to our Playwall, Instagram or Twitter for your chance to win.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.