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#1 Guest_holy_j_*

Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:51 PM


AN INNOCENT mother has been killed and her teenage daughter injured after police ran a red light during a pursuit of a stolen vehicle today.

The tragic crash comes as it emerged this afternoon that the two officers did not have official permission to engage in the pursuit, which claimed the life of a 50-year-old Dianella mother and left her 16-year-old daughter in hospital.

Police said two Gang Crime Squad constables in a marked Ford Territory had been chasing the stolen grey Audi sedan when they contravened a red light and hit the Toyota Corolla travelling south through a green light on Alexander Drive at 11am.

"It is understood the Gang Crime vehicle went through a red light chasing the Audi which had also gone through a red light before it,'' Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan said.

"That crash has resulted in the death of the driver of that car, a 50-year-old woman.''


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-car...?fb_ref=rec-top

#2 Soontobegran

Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:59 PM

Very very sad for the family and friends of the victim and I am sure the police people involved will be in serious trouble and will regret this action forever.
What else can you say! sad.gif

Edited by soontobegran, 12 April 2012 - 08:01 PM.


#3 LambChop

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:02 PM

Tragic mistake by the Police, they will live with that decision forever, as will the family be impacted forever.

As for the criminals they were chasing, they couldn't give a flying truck... a pox on them.

#4 purplecrayon

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:05 PM

Having seen recently a stolen car, speeding and going through a red light very fast with no warning,  crash into another car with an innocent person in it, I have a strong view on people criticising the police.  There was no police chase on the incident I witnessed, and innocent people were very badly injured.  It is not the police that cause the tragedies in these situations it is the criminal/s who stole the car.  The article I saw implied it was the police's fault.  

It is tragic for the woman's daughter and their family and friends.  Let's get a whole lot tougher on those that steal the cars and drive recklessly and dangerously.

#5 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:06 PM

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I am sure the police people involved will be in serious trouble and will regret this action forever.


Until the crash investigation unit has finished their investigation I would refrain from making those type of comments that I bolded.

Did you miss this part of the article?

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Today, Mr O'Callaghan confirmed the officers had activated their lights and sirens although a witness at the scene told Channel 10 they hadn't.


While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.

#6 LambChop

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:09 PM

purplecrayon - the fault part is that the Police didn't follow 'chase protocol' designed to keep innocents safe.  Yes they should be 'allowed' to chase, but clearly being in public, safety is paramount.

#7 LambChop

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

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While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.


Depends how fast they were all travelling and if in fact the police car did have its lights on.  Guess the investigation will reveal more facts.

#8 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

Lambchop where your there?  Did you witness the crash?  Were you in the police car?

If you answer no to all of these questions you can't state
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that the fault part is that the Police didn't follow 'chase protocol'


Until all the investigations have been concluded I would refrain from making those kind of comments about the police.

#9 Currywurst

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Until the crash investigation unit has finished their investigation I would refrain from making those type of comments that I bolded.

Did you miss this part of the article?



While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.



The speeding car did not hit and kill her the police car did. If the lights and sirens were not on then she may not have even been aware that they were being chased. From the article it would appear the police are at fault. Must await the investigation but I really feel for the family of the two that were killed.

#10 Guest_holy_j_*

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.


are you serious??  ohmy.gif

#11 Guest_NinjahAlpaca_*

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:20 PM

I read this earlier and was so saddened to hear it.

It's such a tough situation - the police HAVE to come down on these car morons, and yet by doing so it can put others in danger.

There'll be no blame from me until full investigation, but in all likelihood I'm guessing it will come down to tragic accident.

My thoughts are with her daughter and family.

sad.gif

#12 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:21 PM

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are you serious??


Yes actually I am.  All police cars have digital equipment these days so it's all recorded the police say lights and sirens were on making them visable.  Just because 'witnesses" say they weren't doesn't mean that what the witnesses are saying is true.  There was a case here in the A.C.T a few years ago where a family was killed(mum,dad, small baby) by a speeding driver(driver died as well) only the passenger survived witnesses stated that the police were right behind them yet the evidence showed that they didn't come upon the site until 5 minutes AFTER it happened(witnesses were WRONG) Hence why I am stating REFRAIN from saying the police are to BLAME UNTIL ALL INVESTIGATIONS ARE DONE.

#13 Soontobegran

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Until the crash investigation unit has finished their investigation I would refrain from making those type of comments that I bolded.

Did you miss this part of the article?



While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.



Why?
It has been released they were not following protocol, they had not been given permission for the pursuit...it is no presumption they will be in trouble.

Sorry but please do not try and lay any blame on the woman who was innocently going through an intersection with her daughter.


#14 Lim Lam

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (NinjahAlpaca @ 12/04/2012, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I read this earlier and was so saddened to hear it.

It's such a tough situation - the police HAVE to come down on these car morons, and yet by doing so it can put others in danger.

There'll be no blame from me until full investigation, but in all likelihood I'm guessing it will come down to tragic accident.

My thoughts are with her daughter and family.

sad.gif

This puts eloquently what I couldnt

#15 GoneWithTheWhinge

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While sad what about a little personal responsibility for the driver, how did she miss the speeding car going through seconds before the police car did and miss seeing the police car.


Isn't this exactly the same as making comments about the police being at fault? Were you at the scene and observed her not reacting to any chase which may or may not have been immediately apparent? (depending on outcome of investigation)


All I do know is that it is a desperately sad outcome for the lady killed, her friends and family AND the police officers involved in the chase as they will have been affected by this as well. Thinking of everyone involved in this. Except for the person whose actions caused this crash - the scumbag who was running from the police.

#16 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:25 PM

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It has been released they were not following protocol, they had not been given permission for the pursuit...it is no presumption they will be in trouble.


They need to call in that they are activating a pursuit they don't need permission to do so.  Stop laying blame on the feet of the police UNTIL ALL INVESTIGATIONS ARE DONE.

ETA: All I am trying to say that until all the FACTS(not speculation) are in stop blaming the police you can't know what went on unless you were in the car with the police.

Edited by hayleymumof3, 12 April 2012 - 08:27 PM.


#17 Hashley

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:25 PM

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REFRAIN from saying the police are to BLAME UNTIL ALL INVESTIGATIONS ARE DONE
But you're quick insinuate the deceased driver is at fault for not anticipating a police chase.

Sometimes things are a serious of unfortunate events and in this case it starts with the car thieves who can take full responsibility IMO.

#18 Soontobegran

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lambchop where your there?  Did you witness the crash?  Were you in the police car?

If you answer no to all of these questions you can't state

Until all the investigations have been concluded I would refrain from making those kind of comments about the police.



My DH is a retired career police officer....most of the time they make the right call but sometimes they don't.
They did not have permission for this pursuit....they will be in trouble regardless of what the investigations reveal.

#19 purplecrayon

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

My frustration is that the thieves will drive dangerously regardless of whether there are police in chase or not.   The public's safety is at risk from these criminals.  The police chasing them will improve the chances of catching them sooner and minimising the time they are driving around like this.  

After talking with the fire officers and police that attended the most recent incident I witnessed, the officers indicated that it is really common  that they steal the car keys and drive recklessly until they crash the stolen car and then run off. The officers told me several stories where emergency personnel had been attending another incident and were nearly killed by a stolen car.

That's why I'd like to see more of a focus on punishing the criminals who steal the cars in the first place, than the focus on the fact that there was a police chase .  There are many accidents caused by stolen cars and many of them are not a police chase.  The recent article seem to focus on the police chase only.  



#20 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

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My DH is a retired career police office


The fact that your DH is a retired police officer makes me very surprised that you are so quick to judge the police as guilty before all the facts are in.

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But you're quick insinuate the deceased driver is at fault for not anticipating a police chase.


No where did I say she was to blame I said "personal responsibility" which means she could have been distracted or just didn't see them I never said that she was to blame.

Edited by hayleymumof3, 12 April 2012 - 08:34 PM.


#21 katniss

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:31 PM

If the lowlives who stole the car are caught, they should be charged with murder.

#22 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:31 PM

double post.

Edited by hayleymumof3, 12 April 2012 - 08:34 PM.


#23 Soontobegran

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 12/04/2012, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They need to call in that they are activating a pursuit they don't need permission to do so.  Stop laying blame on the feet of the police UNTIL ALL INVESTIGATIONS ARE DONE.

ETA: All I am trying to say that until all the FACTS(not speculation) are in stop blaming the police you can't know what went on unless you were in the car with the police.


It just seems really inappropriate for you to be so vigorously defending their actions here yet so ready to suggest the deceased woman was at fault for not 'seeing the car coming'.

It appears they didn't call in the pursuit........I do know the protocol and they must get permission to continue once they have activated a pursuit.

#24 aussiespecial123

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

I feel sympathy for the accident family involved and the police officers and their family too.


However I also feel that police are dammed if they do and dammed it they dont. Everyone gets to critise the actions of police in a second to second break down of events, when reality when a situation occurs for police - they dont have that time nor luxury.  

You just cant win -



#25 Hayleymumof3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:37 PM

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..I do know the protocol and they must get permission to continue once they have activated a pursuit.


My bold you said they had to get permission to start a pursuit not to continue, I corrected you.  Stop second guessing the officers involved you don't know that they wouldn't have gotten permission if they hadn't crashed the car you don't know how long they were following the stolen car.  No one knows but the investigators.

Edited by hayleymumof3, 12 April 2012 - 08:38 PM.





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