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#76 Izy Bee

Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:42 AM

hi!! Shelby, there is always the hope of a miracle, and the boys will love to have all the attention on then, i know mt DD and DSS, take up more than enough time...especially now soccer season has started again......

AFM...had a very crampy tummy....with a few sharp pains....not sure what this is...i still have a fairly high risk that this is a ectopic....the FS said this before my ivf even started...just have to ride it out until U\S....which i think i booked a week late....ill try and change it this week!!!!

Well DD is being a brat...so i guess i had better get back to debating everything with her...
xxxooo

#77 Shellby

Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

Izy Bee - I have a high risk of EP due to my health condition (my cilia doesn't work very well and that is the hairs in your tubes that move the eggs down, same hairs in your lungs also which is why I have so many lung issues, plus its what you hear with in your ears, again I'm hard of hearing, and they are also in your sinuses so I have had ops to try and make it easier to drain - not the most fun condition to have) and I always have a scan at 5w, even my clinic was big about it as at 5w you will normally at least see the black dot - I always have with my boys, nothing more just the black dot but then you know where it is. Then I do another scan at 7w for the heartbeat. If your clinic is only doing the one at about 7w, its just the viability scan.

Just keep an eye on pain and spotting is another big sign along with slow rising HCG levels - I had this with my last loss and they think it may have been a EP that my body knew to get rid of before it got to big to harm me. If you get worried, drop by your ED and mention your risk of EP and they will do a scan, but not until 5w, until then you should be safe - its between 5-6 that is becomes a issue.



#78 Stronger

Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:45 PM

Sorry to hear that Shelby - I keep hoping that one month you will get your miracle. xx



#79 SleepDebt

Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:53 PM

Shellby, Thank you for sharing your story for me. You've been through so much, I wish for your little natural miracle soon. x

Izy - Hopefully it is just baby bedding in for the long haul and not ectopic. I did get a few cramps with DS plus spotting - gave me a few frights. Good luck with the debate, I got asked my first ever 'why' question yesterday - I am sure they will keep coming from here on in!

AFM - well Clomid and me are not mixing very well at all, on the times where I'm feeling reasonably normal (like now) and can reason with myself I just keep chanting that it's short time loss for a long time gain. Definitely feel like life is a bit unfair the fact I have to put myself through this to get a baby. It took my many long years to come out on top of depression and I feel like this drug has put me at square one again.

Should be writing uni assignment right now. Just can't get my head around anything at the moment  sad.gif

#80 Izy Bee

Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

im5 weeks tomorrow, and my FS is on leave until27th , so i might just pop up to ED, especially, becaise my clinic is 1 1\2 away...thanks Shelby...always a wealth of knowledge...i would not have handles this at all if I didnt have the support of all of you!!!

#81 kezball

Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:39 PM

Hi Guys,

Had to reply to Izzy's post.

Izzy - I had an ectopic pregnancy (exactly 7 years ago today actually, 22 April 2005, in my left fallopian tube. I still have the tube - but it's now blocked - as the drs found the ectopic pregnancy before the tube ruptured). Did you have a blood HCG test? What level was it?
If you are at risk of ectopic, you should have 2 blood pregnancy (HCG) tests 2-3 days apart. Often an indicator for an EP is that the HCG levels aren't doubling every 2-3 days. When I had mine the levels were rising but they weren't doubling.

Because of my history I am at risk of another ectopic too, the minute I know I am pregnant I have to have at least 2 blood tests to make sure all is ok, then I have an ultrasound around 6 weeks to make sure all is in the right spot.

Bellefin - In my last post I somehow missed reading about your BFP, congratulations to you! I hope your pregnancy goes well.


Hello to everyone I have missed. I may not post a lot but I read regularly.
Take care everyone!


#82 Izy Bee

Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:29 PM

i have blocked tubes due to infection...
my fs has said this puts me at risk...i have another blood test tiesday, but at the moment i am feeling like i have a fever, and low crampy pains, shooting ocasionally in my side...not sure what to do....make a twit of myself at the ED, or wait until morning!!!!

#83 sunshinechick

Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:17 AM

Hello.  Sad and devestated again today.  Day 22 of my cycle, 9 days post iui and im spotting. Bugger! Anyone else had spotting a week before AF due while doing AC?  iI think it only started when i started on the clomid but i cant remember. Really thought this one was going to be a winner. My heart is breaking, again and I dont know how long i can go on with this,  i have spent the last 5 years trying to fall pregnant and im over it (not as long as some of you lovely ladies, so im really sorry about the whinge). dont know wether it would be better just to progress onto IVF.  It seems there is no real reason for my infertility - everyone at the clinic just keeps saying, " you have done it twice before, there is no reason it cant happen again", which is frustrating as obviously there is something wrong......aaarrrggggggg!
as my great hubby says - "chin up tiger" - am trying really hard my love.

#84 Shellby

Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

Sunshine - Do you spot early on not AC cycles? You could have a progesterone issue. Maybe ask them to humor you and on your next IUI ask for progesterone pressies- it can't hurt and it should hold off spotting even if you don't get a BFP.gif at least you will have some peace of mind of having a full 14 day LP.

Also you need more than just the CD21 BT to find out if you have progesterone issues, so even if you have had that test in the past and if came out fine, you could still have a issue. My 21CD test always comes out perfect, but within 48 hours it has dropped below 15 which it shouldn't until 12-13DPO, but until I had a doctor willing to do a series BT (basically a BT every 2nd day from 3DPO to 11DPO) I had no idea my progesterone was failing the way it was causing my early losses and stopping implantation. I find most FS tend to stick to the CD21 test only and not bother looking into LP defects more.

Izy - Hope your feeling better today.

#85 HaleyW

Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

Izy, how are you. Hoping this is just part of a healthy pregnancy for u!
Sunshine ... We did 5 IUIs, 3 mths Clomid & 2 mths fsh inject with no result! It's so frustrating especially when unexplained. A wise FS said to us 'you have no identifiable issues, Clomid won't enhance your chances of conception it will only increase chance of multiples, try naturally until you're over it then do IVF'. Wish we had of listened to her instead of wasting 6 months. After this 6 mths slight MF was mentioned...so this other treatment was a big waste. However, it DOES work for some ... I hope you're one of the lucky ones.



#86 Izy Bee

Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:15 AM

well i went to ed....was given an ultrasound, and a bloody canular...twice...one needle busted through the otherside of the vein...and i still dont have any answers....except.my ovaries are quite large still....so waiting waiting...preg test still positive.....waiting waiting.....

#87 SleepDebt

Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

Izy - Sorry to hear you don't have any answers yet. Sounds like an awful experience.

Well only CD6 and I think I am already out. sad.gif Had bright red spotting and major period pains last night and this morning. My body really does not want to cooperate. So I think that's a total waste of a clomid cycle. Will ring clinic today and see what there advice is.

#88 Stronger

Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:24 AM

Izy sorry to hear you still have no answers - a positive test is a good sign though - hope you feel better and get some answers soon.

Studymuffin - that doesn't sound good hun so early on in your cycle?Hopefully you can get some answers 0 I did Clomid for 8 months and only ovulated once on it so it really did nothing at all for me.

Well can I have a little self indulgent whinge please....yesterday I woke up with the sorest throat and now today it is even worse I can hardly swallow...worst thing is I have to go to work today and I can't take day off as I have been having a few days off with IVF...I get school hols off so today is first day back at work. I just feel like crying...have slept badly and feel so awful I just want to curl up in bed and hide. I think the last few weeks are all catching up with me - plus I am still way behind with uni sad.gif

Sorry to complain but DH doesn't really get it and have hardly seen him as he has been working so much...but I will pull myself together and off I go...oh and called for doc appt yesterday as I think I will need anti -bi's as I usually do when I get an infected throat and no appointments until Friday!! Gee thanks that's helpful!

Hope everyone has a good day xx

#89 SleepDebt

Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:38 AM

Oh hun that does sound positively dreadful. Men just don't get it do they? I have a really good relationship with DH but he doesn't have to experience what I do, and it doesn't affect him like it does me and I jsut don't think they get the full picture nor appreciate what we go through on this journey. Makes it feel quite lonely at times.You got us though original.gif

Just dose up on lots of cold n flu tabs, wash them down with some scotch and you'll be right haha *jk* But seriously, hope your throat gets better soon!

Rang clinic, they seem to think it's all part of the cycle and just to continue on and they'll see what going on with my next BT results. It all seems a little too AF like for me but anyway we'll see. My body just doesn't do what its supposed too - I get AF on the pill, I get AF on clomid .... the only time I dont get AF is when my cycle is left alone to do it's natural thing! One extreme to the other  rolleyes.gif

#90 HaleyW

Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:07 PM

Raffi, hope u r better soon! DHs can be very insensitive no matter how well-meaning. Hang in there - your time is soon!
Izy. You poor thing, like this wait for bloods isn't agonising enough. Good luck!
Study muffin, hope everything works out for you and good news is on its way!
Everyone else thinking of u; as always!

#91 Stronger

Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

Thanks ladies - am feeling a bit better today. Work was ok yesterday - hopefully tomorrow goes ok too!

No other news here - just waiting, waiting, waiting....so many friends are having babies and putting announcements and photos of newborns up on Facebook and while of course happy for them - I just can't help thinking when will it be meeeeeee???

Studymuffin - hope it all settles down for you - it might just be your body getting used to the Clomid.

Izy - hope you get some good news soon.

Hi to everyone else!

#92 SleepDebt

Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

Raffi - It sucks doesn't it. I must admit I hide people with newborns, may sound slightly bitter but just better for my mood if I do.

AFM - I reckon my body lives in opposite land - naturally ... I can't get AF for love or money put me on the pill, clomid or even my pregnancy with DS and hello spotting!  rolleyes.gif It slowed down significantly yesterday and spotting has stopped completely so far today so I am still holding hope that my body is going to behave this cycle!

Hope everyone is well! Who's next to test?

#93 Izy Bee

Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:27 PM

more blood tests, so far so good all levels are rising nicely...so as long a the little bugger is in the right spot...U\S next thursday at 6 1/2 weeks..so i hope for a heartbeat!!!!

#94 *littlemiracles*

Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

I have all my fingers crossed for you Izzy xx


#95 HaleyW

Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:30 PM

Good luck Izy! I found the ultrasounds torture but I had a previous missed m/c like beautiful D so have been very anxious all along!
Raffi, how r u going? Thinking of u.

#96 SleepDebt

Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:47 PM

Good to hear Izy!! x

FS just rang me - result of today's blood test is the Clomid did F-All. I knew that. Soooo it's a rinse and repeat style solution. Have to do it all over again starting tonight. Not sure that DH is going to be home if it works anyway as he has plenty of site trips planned, at same time not much point planning these things if it won't work again.



#97 HaleyW

Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:01 AM

Sorry to hear that Study Muffin ... Clomid didn't help us either. I hope you'll get some results soon ... It's so testing & stressful. In fact I read somewhere that infertility stress levels are equal to those of suffering a serious, life threatening illness...take care & be kind to yourself.

#98 Stronger

Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

Sorry to hear that Studymuffin - clomid never did anything for us either...wish now we hadn't wasted almost a year trying something that wasn't working...have FS given you any idea on how long before they try the next thing? I hope this cycle works for you.

Izy - sounds good hope it keeps going well.

Haleyw - thanks for the kind thoughts hun!

As for me - nothing happening with me...just up to CD14 I think it is today...blood test not to Friday 11 May so a while off yet. Am so far behind in uni I am just trying to catch up now DD is back at school - but it is really hard! Plus today I have to work which I really don't enjoy sad.gif

Hope everyone has a good day!!

Edited by raffi06, 01 May 2012 - 08:53 AM.


#99 SleepDebt

Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:32 AM

Haley - I feel so silly sometimes because it does feel like such a big obstacle and it really gets me down, thanks for those words it does kind of justify to me that these feelings are all part of the process.

Raffi - I find myself in a situation where DH doesn't want to take the next step so Clomid I think is pretty much my last resort  unsure.gif They haven't given me any idea - just speak to the nurse after my tests. Hopefully if this second shot doesn't work then I'd imagine they would reassess - no point continuing something that isn't working on me. Least I don't have to wait a whole another cycle .... but it does mean more BT's sad.gif Had a bit of a bawl to DH last night. I was okay until he asked me if I was alright ... I said 'no, but I'm not devastated' then he started saying all this sweet stuff to me and I just lost it sad.gif My mind just runs away with me of if this doesn't work and he doesn't want to progress to IVF, how do I deal with that? How do I know when to just call it quits?

Raffi - I'm also really behind in uni. Don't really give a crap this semester. Just keep chanting to yourself as I do 'only a few more weeks and it's over'  



#100 Shellby

Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:42 PM

Studymuffin - Is clomid not working as in you did not ovulate - or you did not get a BFP.gif? Clomid worked for me in as I did ovulate - however I ovulate anyway so not a big deal. I didn't get a BFP.gif though. That is one thing to remember with clomid - it doesn't make you pregnant, it just makes you ovulate which if you weren't before then it increases your chances quite alot of getting a BFP.gif but if you were ovulating anyway, then its not a huge increase in getting a BFP.gif really.

If your still not ovulating on clomid but making good follies still then ask to have a trigger shot when the follies are 18mm, alot of women will make great follies on clomid but don't get enough surge to release them and the trigger shot then allows the surge to happen and release the eggs - so basically the clomid is to make the good follies, and the trigger to make you ovulate.

If your not making any good follies on the clomid, then ask to go to 100mg then try 150mg if the same result. If your still not making good follies on 150mg then its time to change meds to injectables to make follies, like IVF but not as strong as you don't want multiple follies.

While doing each cycle even with clomid I would ask for progesterone pressies for support, I wish I had as if I did I would have been pregnant 4 years ago on my clomid cycles. It doesn't hurt to have it and if you were doing IVF even without progesterone issues they would use progesterone support, so why not in a clomid cycle. The reason they don't normally do it is because its about $100 for 14 days, and clomid is a cheap try in the AC world (about $35) whereas your paying so much for IVF so they throw everything in to make sure everything is covered just in case as $100 is nothing compared to the other $3000 your paying. At least then you know your covering all bases, not only the ovulating side but the LP support side as well.

Also if your DH isn't wanting to go onto IVF and you want to feel like you have covered everything up to that there is a clinic in Perth which is the sister clinic to the one I went to in Brisbane, they basically do everything except IVF, and is much cheaper - mostly bulk billed. They have a very high success rate as well. If you like I can try and look it up from my old clinic and get the details for you. If its like the one at the mater the waiting list is like 2 weeks and no referral needed.



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