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#1 Mumsy4

Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:42 PM

Hey all,

So DS is just 6 months old and has been rolling for a while now.
He has just started trying to crawl, getting up on his knees and frog hopping forward and apparently he does this during the night time, because I have watched him to see why he is waking up and it's because he is headbutting the cot bars.
So I went out and got those Air wrap bumpers, but they go around the outside of the corners and this is where he is hitting!!

Any idea's would be much appreciated, I am so over getting up during the night just to pull him further down his cot and the poor thing isn't getting the full night sleep he otherwise would!!

TIA!

#2 weepingangel

Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:37 PM

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Edited by pukeko~ponga~tree, 19 March 2012 - 11:22 AM.


#3 sparkles30

Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:40 PM

Another vote for safe-t-sleep. Also good when they keep sitting up for no reason, and can't figure out how to lay back down. It's like a seat belt and keeps them in the middle of the cot. Doesn't work for all temperaments though. One of my daughters tolerated it, the other didn't.

#4 belinda1976

Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:48 PM

I might get grilled here but my DD1 was doing the same thing and the only thing that worked for me were proper cot bumpers.

I will say though when I put them on DD1's cot she could easily sit up, turn over/around and almost crawl.  It was the only thing that stopped it for her.

#5 Soontobegran

Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (belinda1976 @ 18/03/2012, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I might get grilled here but my DD1 was doing the same thing and the only thing that worked for me were proper cot bumpers.

I will say though when I put them on DD1's cot she could easily sit up, turn over/around and almost crawl.  It was the only thing that stopped it for her.



Eeek sad.gif
No grilling from me but truly those things are so dangerous.

#6 tick

Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:56 PM

My DD did this for about 2 weeks at the same age.  Suddenly, as with most other frustrating phases, she learned not to do it and it was no longer an issue.

Give it a week or two and you might find it resolves.

#7 Mumsy4

Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:04 PM

Thanks for the suggestions all...
I did use to have a safe-t sleep for my DD because she needed to be wrapped to sleep after she could already roll, but I since heard they were a no-no so was avoiding them this time around. Also he is in a sleeping bag so I don't think they work with that do they?

fertile woman - do you know at what age they usually get use to the size of their cot?
The movement happens while he is sleeping and it doesn't seem to matter how many times I move him down to the bottom of the cot off he goes again.

#8 mummaorange

Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:16 PM

maybe try a porta cot as they are softer, my nephew headbuts till he falls asleep and is in a portacot as he was banging up his poor noggin

#9 belinda1976

Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:59 PM

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You made a decision for your child that went against the safe sleeping recommendations. Cot Bumpers are associated with higher rates of infant death but it was your decision to use them and that is your right.

Please be very careful with what you present as a recommendation to other parents. It isn't the only thing that works because there is no safe solution in this situation apart from allowing the baby to grow out of the behaviour


Thanks for the grilling.  As I said it was the only thing that worked for me and I didn't actually tell the OP to use them.  I also tried the other methods suggested to no avail.

Nuff said!

#10 ~ky~

Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:25 AM

When my son started bumping his head and getting tangled up in the bars at night, I put him into a portacot full time. He was also climbing out of his cot at 7 months, so it was a strategic move with regard to that as well. He started climbing out of the portacot at 11 months so we put him into a bed with a bedrail.



#11 sophiasmum

Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:56 AM

My DD was travelling up the cot & hitting her head which would wake her, so I used a cot bumper up that end of the cot & she was fine.

Disclaimer: I understand the risks.

Edited by sophiasmum, 19 March 2012 - 09:57 AM.


#12 Fright bat

Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:44 AM

The use of cot bumpers and safe-t-sleeps is not recommended - but here's the evidence.

The absolute risk of any infant dying of SIDS is 0.8/1000 (varies a bit between population level studies but that's a reasonable average) - this equals one infant per 1250.

The relative risk of any infant dying because as a consequence of being placed on its stomach is about 2 - which means it is at double the risk of dying of SIDS. What this means in absolute terms is that the risk goes form 1/1250 to 1/625. Now, there is no study which specifically looked into this - this doubling of risk has been derived from population level studies in the US and UK following the introduction of the 'Back to Sleep' campaigns - overall, the rates of SIDS in these countries halved in the ten years following the start of the Back to Sleep campaign.

Note that parental smoking, being one of a multiple, or being the fourth child or more of the mother also increase the SIDS risk by about double for each risk factor. (There is no evidence that if you have multiple risk factors, the risks are directly additive).

But the Back to Sleep campaign involved more than just lying them on their back - it also included not using cot bumpers or pillows or fluffy blankets etc, as well as recommendations on smoking. It is actually impossible from the evidence available to determine how much each of these factors actually contributes to the increased risk. And its a study that can't be done - who would now allow babies to be randomised into the "mum start smoking and place your baby on its tummy' group of a randomised trial?! It would just be unethical.

So the short answer is that organisations like SIDS and Kids have to draw a lot of conclusions from a bunch of evidence that is not 'gold standard'. And as such, they draw the most conservative conclusions that they can - avoid anything that 'might' contribute to SIDS. This is their job.

So while I totally back the comments of fertile woman and STBG about avoiding cot bumpers and safe-t-sleeps - this is the background to that advice.

The only point I would make as a counter is that it seems that a significant portion of SIDS deaths now occur when bub has spontaneously changed position - ie rolled from back to prone. Because not all bubs get heaps of tummy time, and virtually none of them are used to sleeping on their belly, this is the time which has now become dangerous for them. So... if a product such as a safe-t-sleep stops a back lying bub from rolling - would that potentially actually prevent SIDS? I don't pretend to know the answer to that, and I don't think we ever will - again the issues of how you would actually conduct a research project into that mean that you can't.

What I would say, though, is that we all make decisions for our kids that may or may not put them at risk of various tings ranging from cuts and grazes to broken bones to death. We can't all protect our babies and children from everything... and each time we protect them from one risk, we are potentially putting them at risk of another (safe-t-sleep and a good nights sleep vs a tired mum who's gotten up 12 times overnight and still has to drive the toddler to kinder.... what's more dangerous? who knows?).

I think at the end of the day, on all issues, its important that people know the recommendations and why and how they came into being, and then do what's good for you.

For ME - a safe-t-sleep was a godsend. DS loved it form when we brought it in at 4 months when he started rolling and wriggling away. He didn't roll, or wriggle away, or end up with his head in the edge of his mattress. And he slept like a log, which meant well rested parents (who were both back at full time work 5 weeks after he was born). Would I recommend it to others? Only after telling them that it was not proven one way or other to increase ro decrease SIDS risks - but if used improperly then it could (as per SIDS and Kids).



#13 jindy poss

Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:37 PM

We had this problem just over a month ago, almost drove me mad but we waited it out and he stopped doing it after about 2 weeks. Good luck.

#14 j-gray

Posted 21 March 2012 - 11:39 AM

I asked a similar question when DS was doing this ... another poster said something which stuck with me "SIDS is real".

I let DS be and he grew out of it soon enough.

#15 cloudstreet

Posted 22 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

My DD did this for a while, but she did eventually grow out of it.

#16 Logging out

Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:54 PM

My daughter started doing the exact thing! I would always wake her up took a months for her to stop waking up, just have to be patient.  bbighug.gif

#17 Jingle Flea

Posted 27 March 2012 - 06:40 PM

What about a cot bumper pad? Not one that goes all around the whole cot, but one like they sell at Baby's R Us which only covers the head end of the cot.
He'd have to bend in a really weird angle to suffocate or have any problems I'd THINK.
But if he's hitting the corner of the cot I can't see much else you can do.




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