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#126 porkchop's mama

Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:46 AM

Magenta - oh hunny, I'm so sorry to hear your news.  Take care of yourself and I hope the MC resolves quickly on its own.  Wishing you clarity and good luck  for the next step.

AFM - 5 day embie transferred today.  Fingers crossed our other 2 will be okay to freeze in 2 days time.

Blood test April 20.

Hope everyone is travelling well.

PCM xxx


#127 Luckyme1

Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:51 PM

Fingers crossed, fingers crossed pork chops mamma.  

I hope you keep sane in the tww.

#128 Scrambled Eggs 32

Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:41 PM

Hi All,


I am very new to this forum, hope I am starting in the right place.


I  am 32 years old and devastated after recieving the news that I have a  very low AMH of 1.2 and FS counted 3 ovarian follicles on my ultrasound.


I am trying everything I can to improve my chances of concieving - acupuncture, chinese herbs, pilates and yoga.


Does anyone have information or had success taking DHEA or, any other supplements such as Royal Jelly?


My FS has not given me an indication as to what happens next - IVF or egg donor or TTC naturally for a longer period of time.

If  there is anyone out there that has similar issues please get in touch.  Im living with so much uncertainty...wish I had some more answers...


Many Thanks

#129 Luckyme1

Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:48 PM

Hi
I have had the news of an amh of 1 as well.   My follicle count was 5 on the right, they couldn't see any on the left as i had a cyst, but i think my left is bad because i had a very large cyst removed during my caesarean.  It is devastating news, and I'm trying very hard to cope with it.
I have a ds who was born last year, and my FS said to keep trying for six months, he said if I was younger to try for a year.  But as I am 39.  He said Ivf is an option but it will be hard as I will have half the eggs of a normal Ivf cycle.  I would have a 15-20% chance of success.  I was told donor eggs would be recommended to me in other countries where Ivf is very expensive and donors are easy to find, but he said that's not the case here as Ivf is subsidized we can do cycles affordable.
I have been prescribed dhea, which I've read on de net, people having good results.
I would be definitely getting more answers from your FS, and a treatment plan.   Like how long you should keep trying naturally for, whether Ivf is an option for you, or are donor eggs the way.
If he doesn't give you any answers see another FS, this is too important not to get help on.
Good luck, and we're here for you.

#130 Guest_Waiting ..._*

Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:35 AM

Hi Scrambled Eggs - I was 32 as well when I found out about my low AMH so understand the shock and worry. I think the best thing to remember when making your decision is that time really is of the essence with this. I would recommend getting two opinions. Good luck and welcome!

Magenta – That sucks! Hope you are going ok. I have decided to use one of my remaining 2 frosties rather than do a full stim and then take it from there. I really think my ovaries need a break! I have also heard the body is primed after MC but not sure if this is true?

Spotted – Hope you can enjoy a relaxing Easter break! Congrats on your tfr - keeping my fingers crossed for you that it is the lucky one!

Ellik – those AMH results are truly incredible! What does your doctor think is the reason? You must be so excited! Congratulations!

Luckyme – that sucks! My cycle does the same thing and I swear it has only happened since we were TTC, i.e. a day late here and there so you can't help but get a tad excited ... ugh. Hopefully it is just your body getting into gear!

Milano – have a fantastic time in Thailand! Jealous jealous jealous … in the nicest possible way of course! ☺

PCM – more than expected is always an exciting bonus – congratulations and good luck!

Kels22 – how are you going? I had terrible symptoms from the Crinone … by the end I felt like I was going to explode on it and I did have some light spotting on it.

So STILL no signs from me yet. I have my second scan tomorrow and guess I may find myself waiting in “miscarriage limbo” … I never knew it didn’t just happen straight away. My pregnancy signs are all still pretty much gone now except for very vivid dreams and getting up once in the night to pee but boobs no longer feel sore, not tired anymore, mind seems to be working again and appetite not so massive anymore. I just wish it would all hurry up! I had a chat to a Dr friend who also thinks based on small sac, non-doubling HCG levels and no pole/heartbeat at scan that things will not have changed much for next scan so it is at least good we are prepared for reality or I would be walking around thinking everything was AOK due to no miscarriage symptoms.

I hope that everyone has a fantastic Easter and I will let you know how I go tomorrow.  


#131 thespottedcat

Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:19 PM

Hi Scrambled Eggs, All girls here have low ovarian reserve so you are in the right place for some answers. Hope we can help you with your journey.

Magenta - hope you are going OK. I'd love to say I have some way of helping make your decision with the frozen one but at the moment I think I'd be just as qualified to say throw a coin and do heads or tails!

Ellik - I'll have what your having! Amazing results. Would love to hear if you get some more feedback re the results changing so much.

PCM - Best of luck! Hope you get some frosties.

Kels - Thinking of you, are you still in the game?

Unfortunately I'm out for the month. Started to suspect on Sunday morning that something had changed and peed on a stick on the Monday. There was the faintest of faint lines but period started to arrive on Monday evening and in full swing today. Must say as this is my first full cycle that I am shocked at the ummm volume! Is it common to have a heavy period post transfer??

All OK emotionally but I knew I was not signing up for 1 month, its going to be a long process. So a month off now and we will obviously give the 'natural' way a go but if no luck there then back on the stimming band wagon in May.

Hope you've all had a great weekend.

#132 bex18

Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:56 PM

Hi there,

I am seeing a FS next month, but decided to find support before the appointment.

We have been TTC since Aug last year, we had a MC (blighted ovum) in May 2011 and decided to wait 3 months before trying again.  We have a DS who is 2.

I got my day 3 bloods today, and thanks to Dr Google, have diagnosed myself sad.gif

Prolactin 6 ug/L
LH 8 U/L
FSH 16 U/L
Oestraiol 90 pmol/L
Progesterone 2 nmol/L

I know that you are not supposed to look at one hormone on its own, but look at the overall picture, but i can't help be drawn to the high FSH level...

16 is still within normal range, but according to google, 13-20 beens low ovarian reserve and the eggs are very hard to stimulate.

Can anyone help me out with my results, are they as bad as i think?  I think the Oestradiol is a bit higher than what is ideal (i think 80 is where it should be, or even less).

I would really be so grateful if anyone could shed some light before my appointment in 4 weeks (it is going to drive me crazy until then).

I have also read that there is nothing you can do to lower FSH as it is  reflection on your egg quality which is what you received at birth.  Is this true, or can acupuncture, herbs, diet etc help with the remaining egg qualities?  Is there any hormone drug that can assist with TTC?

Thank you

#133 Bellefin

Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:20 AM

Bex - sorry to see you here, I have PM'd you.

Hi Scrambled eggs - I'm new in here also, at 32 I have an AMH of 2.5 and high FSH as well as an ovarian haemorrhagic cyst just to complicate things. I had a DD only 2 years ago and it was so simple! You're in the right place anyway, we are all gonna work through this together. I've done heaps of reading (online and real books) and learned that you have to be your own advocate. I am becoming much more assertive with Drs and other health professionals already. I'm also doing things to try and get my FSH lower so I can at least do IVF. Never dreamed I would have to do that at my age. I know it's devastating to find it out but a few months on I'm doing OK and feeling more positive about things.

PM me if you like (thats private message, just click on my name and send message). If I can say one thing, make sure you talk to lots of people and don't believe anything one Dr says. Go to 2 FS, Chinese Dr, naturopath etc, they all have different explanations and opinions and treatments.

OK DP is hassling me to watch Game of Thrones new season.

Ciao ciao!!

#134 Mum2TwoDSs

Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

Hi ladies,

spottedcat, so sorry that this round did not work, or it may almost worked from the faintest line you have seen. Have a good break and dont give up. I do get heavier AF right after a failed cycle. All the FSH and P4 we give our bodies would really thicken up the lining so it is normal to get a heavier AF.

Hi Bex18, I am 38 and got my BFP on the 4th cycle in Jan. My day 3 FSH was 17 last May which shocked me. It was out of range for my age. But when tested another month it went down to 9. I would say we cannot depend on FSH reliably. And yes you are right that we need to look at E2 : LH ratio on day 3 too. For your age, you should be able to find the acceptable range on your BT results. Some FS look at FSH too much and stop patients from doing IVF if it is high. My FS doesnt care much about FSH. And it does fluctuates month to month so dont let that affect you too much. I tried TCM and Accupuncture but I am not sure if that helped me with my FSH cos I didnt have it checked. If you enjoy accu, then it is something you can consider. Some people love accu, I dont and had to endure it. I did not do accu for the cycle I got my BFP. Some of us discuss taking coQ10, fish oil, vit D to help egg reserve. I always feel that antioxidant such  as vit C and E are useful. Did you do AMH test for ovarian reserve?

Scrambledeggs, I took royal jelly during IVF. For DHEA i was very hesitant and took it for about 1.5months on and off before and during my last IVF cycle. I am really not sure if it helped with getting us a BFP honestly. It can be so many many things.

Bellefin, totally agree about being your own advocate in this. That is my motto because ultimately we the patients are the ones who want it to work more than our drs and fns who are really earning the big bucks from us. Having said that of cos there are really dedicated drs just that I have NOT met one in these few years of TTC. The only one whom I reallly really can thank is my GP who called for tests when we went to her having no success with natural pregnancy.

Waiting, it has been hard on you. All the best for your scan today.

Hi to everyone else I have missed. Hope you are travelling well.


#135 Guest_Waiting ..._*

Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:41 PM

Hi ladies - thank you so much for your extra support over the last few weeks!

As suspected our scan today revealed one very sad looking sac which is starting to collapse on itself. I still have no miscarriage symptoms but have elected to just let nature do its thing even though it may mean still waiting for weeks. I just couldn't bear the thought of any more procedures and FS said that while D&C was certainly an option and my choice it wasn't really necessary at this early point in a pregnancy.

We have two frosties and will be using one of them when possible, probably in around 6 weeks. I felt quite prepared for today but think I am actually just a bit numb to all of this. I am glad to know that this happened pretty much straight away after implantation so it just clearly wasn't meant to go anywhere.

I think I am going to go and have a big glass of wine!

#136 porkchop's mama

Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:56 PM

Waiting...

bbighug.gif I am so sorry to hear your news today.

Expecting the news makes it a little easier to a point but it's not just fair.

Take care of yourself and fingers crossed for you for 6 weeks' time.

PCM xxx

PS - enjoy that wine!

#137 Milano

Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

Waiting - so sorry to hear. I think it's the right decision to let nature take it's course. Enjoy that glass of wine!

#138 indigoboys

Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:17 PM

Hi there everyone,

Sorry to butt in to your buddy group, but I know you girls will be able to help me.  

I have just started the AC journey and my AMH test results have come back at 7.2.   I am 40 yrs + 7 months old.  I have not yet had a follow up appointment with my FS and in the meantime have been driving myself crazy trying to find stats on what this means.  I can't find much of a graph or anything on the net to tell me if this is good, bad or average.  

Does anyone have a useful link that would help me, or even just give me your opinion?

Thanks so much
Nat

Edited by indigoboys, 12 April 2012 - 04:20 PM.


#139 Milano

Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (indigoboys @ 12/04/2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi there everyone,

Sorry to butt in to your buddy group, but I know you girls will be able to help me.  

I have just started the AC journey and my AMH test results have come back at 7.2.   I am 40 yrs + 7 months old.  I have not yet had a follow up appointment with my FS and in the meantime have been driving myself crazy trying to find stats on what this means.  I can't find much of a graph or anything on the net to tell me if this is good, bad or average.  

Does anyone have a useful link that would help me, or even just give me your opinion?

Thanks so much
Nat


Hi Nat,

From what I've heard (I'm not an expert though), once you hit 40 you can expect to see your AMH go into single digits (ie. under 10). I think 7.2 is ok. Mine is 1.1 and I'm only 36 so that should give you some assurance.

Others my have different opinions so I'd be keen to hear.

Milano

#140 indigo~

Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:22 PM

Hi indigoboys, here's a link with heaps of useful info about the AMH test.

http://www.repromed.com.au/custom/files/AM...rs%203.4.09.pdf

As mentioned in the doc the link takes you to, AMH tests are not recommended for those over 40 as all women over 40 will have diminished ovarian reserve. That said, your result looks like it's in the normal range for your age based on the graph.

#141 Magenta_

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

Just popping to say hi to Waiting... I'm so sorry to hear things didn't work out this cycle and understand completely about wanting a break from procedures.  My clinic rang the other day to let me know that my 3rd blood test was 25 (down from 41 then 46) and asked me to have another one yesterday to make sure it was down to zero.  But I've been bleeding for a week now and SO OVER blood tests and stuff! We're still not sure if we'll use our lonesome frostie or go for another cycle. Just don't want to think about it for a little bit!  I hope you are doing ok. Big hugs. XX

Hi to everyone, I hope your week is travelling well.
Magenta xx

#142 ellik

Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:49 PM

Wow this thread is moving super quick this week!

Thanks for all the positive comments re my AMH levels much appreciated.

waiting.. - I'm so sorry, this m/c limbo your in is just awful and really not fair, my thoughts go out to you along with a huge hug.

spottedcat - sorry your out for the month, hope your next month finds you super lucky with the natural.. you just never know.

Waiting & the spotted cat:
Dr has not given reason as the results where left on my voice mail, I see her next week but not expecting much (it's my GP not FS). Easter did my head in so I posted on an RE's blog and got a response along these lines:  

"I have most definitely seen patients of mine have a significant improvement in their AMH. Considering that this hormone is measuring immature but growing/active follicles, it is theoretically explainable. What we believe is occurring is that with the healthy changes that you've made in your lifestyle, you may be more effectively recruiting eggs into that active growth state. Congratulations!"

I find it interesting and makes sense to me... perhaps AMH is not always the 'predictor' of ovarian reserve it's cracked up to be - at the very least a low result warrants having a crack at improving lifestyle/health and retesting before declaring LOR blink.gif i suppose that is why we can't rely on just that one type of test.

embracing - lols letter mixed up OPC was meant to be OCP as in the pill. Yes looks like I might be out of this group (but I might still pop in to see how everyone is). Still got the m/c issues to deal with but hey I will definately take whatever good news I can get.

Magenta - bigs hugs to you hon, I'm sure it's been a very hard week for you. I love your humour though, maybe we should all just get a hampster, be a damn sight cheaper eh! As for your question, I'm now going to sit back for next 3 months and try naturally as my FS suggested last month - least these results give me some calm/peace of mind to do that now. thank you so much for your support.

Luckyme1 - sorry AF reared her head, i'm keeping my fingers x'd you get back to what is regular for you.

pcm - fingers x'd for you too hon.

scrambled eggs - I've just started DHEA a few weeks back, but I have some faith in it. 5 years ago when I was 31 I had some real probs with my AF, cramps and aches all over for days that were like having a bad flu, really bad night sweats. Anyways I was put on DHEA then and after 6 months these problems went. Not much of an answer for you re pregnancy but I have some trust in it.

Edited by ellik, 12 April 2012 - 11:13 PM.


#143 Mum2TwoDSs

Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:55 AM

Waiting, big hugs to you. Hoping that your body will do its work soonest possible. Two frosties, sounds good!

Nat, although AMH and FSH all may be indicative but I think the best is to see your response to FSH injections during an IVF cycle. My AMH is 6.1-6.7 and I am supposed to be 15. But when put on high does of FSH injection, my body was capable of producing 11 eggs each time  which surprised both myself and FS. Have you done any cycle yet?

#144 porkchop's mama

Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:08 AM

Magenta - lots of hugs.  Your week has been horrendous.  I hope the thinking time is a productive one for you.  

Waiting - hope you're okay.   bbighug.gif

Nat - hello!  I'm 36 and have an AMH around 5.  In the antagonist cycle I just did (first one), 6 eggs were picked up and 3 made it to embryos.  One was transferred.  HTH

ellik - thank you.

Also, just wanted to send general positive vibes and a bit of sunshine to everyone on the thread.  Hard and harrowing times these are.

At least it's nearly the weekend.

PCM xxxx

#145 Luckyme1

Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:03 PM

Hi everyone
Well I'm so over not exercising heavily that I've joined a gym.  I won't do anything super intensive but I would like to do some exercise classes.
What does everyone here do for exercise and what would you recommend.

#146 porkchop's mama

Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Luckyme1 @ 13/04/2012, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi everyone
Well I'm so over not exercising heavily that I've joined a gym.  I won't do anything super intensive but I would like to do some exercise classes.
What does everyone here do for exercise and what would you recommend.


I've been walking briskly, doing laps at the local pool and some yoga (modified poses).

#147 Kels22

Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:50 AM

Wow!  So much has been happening!

Waiting how are you going?  I’m sorry to hear the results of your scan.  I hope you enjoyed your big glass of red wine.


  Spottedcat I’m so sorry that it didn’t work for you this month.  I hope you are doing ok with it all.


  Magenta I know how you feel.  When I had my ectopic removed, I had to have blood tests every week for 3 weeks to make sure my hcg was coming down. It was horrible because I knew that there was nothing there anymore and the nurses would always call me with the results to tell me about my falling numbers.  It’s so understandable that you don’t want to think about all of this for a while, we get pricked, poked, prodded and pulled through every emotion possible on this journey that sometimes we just get to the point where we need to take a step back and breathe for a bit.  Look after yourself.


  Luckyme1 I think getting back into some exercise is a good idea.  I have joined a gym so that I can at least do something on my terms and not over do it.  Before I started ivf I was exercising pretty much every day and to go to nothing was hard.

Hi to all the newbies!

As for me,  my 2ww is over.  I had my blood test yesterday and it came back very unexpectedly as BFP!  My hcg is at 780.  I have to go and have another blood test on monday to see if the levels are increasing as they should.  I don't really have any symptoms so I am worried that they won't be increasing.  I have had sore bb on and off and have been really tired and getting up to go the toilet once or twice during the night but that's it.  I asked my nurse whether it was normal to not really be feeling anything and she said to count myself as one of the lucky ones but I kind of wish that I had some more symptoms so that I knew things were working.
Last night I was woken by the need to go to the toilet and after I got back into bed, I had the worst pain in my stomach that made me sweat but it passed.

I feel really bad with all the bad news everyone's had lately telling you about my BFP and still ranting about it not working because I am scared out of my wits that this one is still going to fail.

Until Monday, I guess.....if I can get through the 2ww, 2 days should be a piece of cake!

Take care everyone xx






#148 Guest_Waiting ..._*

Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

Kels! Congratulations!  ddance.gif Don't you feel bad at all for worrying! After all that you have been through of course you would feel like that but that's a great HCG levels and being tired and needing extra toilet trips sound like great symptoms to me!  Best of luck for your next BT but am very very happy to hear some good news in here!

Thank you so much to you all for your thoughts and well wishes - I know that everyone has their own things to deal with so really appreciate it. Still no sign of anything happening yet and I really really don't want to have a D&C ... I just feel so prodded and poked and the pregnancy was lost so early I really shouldn't need one. Surely I can't have even more bad luck and need a procedure instead of it just happening naturally!  

Ellik - I am still super impressed by your AMH results! Here's to a healthy body and super healthy eggs for you!

Magenta - hope you are going ok and the B'Tests are coming to an end. I am strongly considering your hamster idea. I feel like a test-hamster after all these procedures and needles ;-)

Luckyme - I'm pretty much the same as PCM with exercise - I walk briskly, do some swimming and also Pilates (keep that pelvic floor strong!) Good on you for keeping fit. I never expected IVF to be so physically taxing so I think it is really important to keep your body in top shape.

Spottedcat - hope you are doing ok!  

Hi Mum2One!

Hi to anyone else I have missed ;-) Hope you are all having a relaxing weekend!


#149 porkchop's mama

Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:29 PM

Congrats Kels!!!!  happy.gif

#150 Luckyme1

Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:15 PM

Congratulations Kels, it's always gives me hope hearing positive news, and makes me think I can get that bfp too!
When I was preggers with my ds, I had no symptoms for the first few weeks and was so nervous I would miscarry,  as I lost two bubbas before that at 11 and six weeks.  I lay on the sofa for three weeks practically.  Hah!
But I didn't and now my beautiful boy is asleep in his buggy.  Good luck for the next 12 weeks.  And because of your age your chances of miscarrying are less than me and just the same as the normal population.  Good luck!


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