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#1 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:50 PM

I will start his by saying I am against religion in school in any form.

Now down to the question.

DS bought home a note from school today saying he has been selected to do a "8 secrets of happiness" course through pastoral care.
The 8 secrets are
1. Count your blessings
2. Practise random acts of Kindness
3. Savour life's joy
4. Thank a mentor
5. Learn to forgive
6. Invest time and energy in family and friend
7. Take care of your body
8 Develop strategies to cope with stress and hardship.

These steps will be shown through drama, art and craft, poetry, journaling and games.  I don't believe in God religion annoys the crap out of me(personal reasons).

The thing is that DS is a literal child and will take these things as the truth not as subjective things.  He however wants to do it(which is his choice) but I would rather he not learn about God and religion through the school.  I am also very annoyed that he was "selected" so he thinks this is a special privilege that he gets to do this.  The class runs for 55 minutes once a week. Which means he will miss out on class time.  I am also rather annoyed that they sent us this considering in the year and a half we have been at this school my children have NEVER attended RE classes.

Would you let him do this?

Edited by hayleymumof3, 14 March 2012 - 12:35 PM.


#2 KT1978

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:54 PM

Why would you conclude that the course is religious?

Terminology? Blessing?

I think it may be non religious and I would confirm this first.

#3 JustBeige

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:55 PM

If you are deadset against RE classes then no I wouldnt.

For my kids, yes I would as they gain empathy and compassion and understanding of others through these steps.

If my children came home and started to talk about how god said blah blah blah we would have the 'stories' conversations that we do.



#4 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE
Why would you conclude that the course is religious?


Because it is run by the school chaplain.

#5 jayskette

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:58 PM

hey wait - people are getting confused with religion and ethics/morals. This course teaches common sense stuff that any non-religious person with proper values would have anyway. MY problem would be whether the chaplain will deliberately inject Christian examples.

#6 insertemotion

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 29/02/2012, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because it is run by the school chaplain.

Most chaplaincy programs in school aren't about jesus

#7 unicorn

Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:59 PM

How old is your child? Is he old enough to make an informed decision about whether he would like to attend?


#8 ~Supernova~

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:00 PM

I wouldn't be letting my daughter do it. But then I'm a mean mother who won't let her do RE at all. Ever since they "mistakenly" sent her to RE twice last year she has nagged me to be able to go, but it just isn't happening. When schools start teaching about religious diversity, then I'll reconsider my stance. Does your school have an ethics class? My DD does ethics and I find what they learn very worthwhile without the god crap.

#9 Ianthe

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:00 PM

I would want to know what exactly those units were comprised of. They sound like good things to focus on but what exactly are they going to be taught? What resources is the chaplain using?



#10 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE
How old is your child?


He will be 9 at the end of March.

QUOTE
Most chaplaincy programs in school aren't about jesus


And I am sure most Chaplain's aren't pastors at the local church however our one is.

QUOTE
MY problem would be whether the chaplain will deliberately inject Christian examples.


This is my issue as well.  As I stated in the OP he is a Literal child he would believe them if they told him god does this or that.  My fear is that if they tell him something rather nasty ie your parents and sisters are going to hell for not believing he would freak out he would seriously believe them if they told him that.

#11 Guest_CaptainOblivious_*

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

The first thought for me is that he must be struggling with social stuff at school. shrug.gif Talk to the teacher about why he was selected.

I'm very anti religion in public schools, but would probably encourage my child to attend something like that if it wasn't run by the Chaplain. That gets my hackles up straight away.

Personally, I think it's a disgrace that Chaplains are in public schools full stop. It makes me want to punch things when you consider how much money and time gets p*ssed away on making sure the next generation are indoctrinated.

Disclaimer
***I may be a little bitter/sensitive as my DD1 came home from scripture yesterday asking why Jesus still had bleeding holes in his hands and feet and that the lady asked them who wanted to go and live with Jesus, and the kids who put their hand up all got a lolly rant.gif ***

#12 Canberra Chick

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

I'm a card carrying atheist and none of that seemed religious to me!
We have our big special family dinner every Sunday and one of things we do at that meal is say one thing that we are glad about/for this week. No mention of any omnipotent supreme beings...

If you're concerned perhaps arrange to have a talk with the chaplain? A good religious practitioner knows when to do the religious stuff and when not to.

#13 Hootabelles

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:06 PM

Probably a really silly question that may have been answered but is he in a public or private school?  Just wondering why he would be doing RE in a public school..and if it's private well IMO you made the choice to send him to a school that has RE therefore you should leave him to make the choice and if he wants to do it and is looking forward to it then let him.

#14 Guest_CaptainOblivious_*

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

QUOTE (bubba08 @ 29/02/2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably a really silly question that may have been answered but is he in a public or private school?  Just wondering why he would be doing RE in a public school..and if it's private well IMO you made the choice to send him to a school that has RE therefore you should leave him to make the choice and if he wants to do it and is looking forward to it then let him.

public schools in NSW must provide 30 minutes per week of RE.

#15 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE
Probably a really silly question that may have been answered but is he in a public or private school? Just wondering why he would be doing RE in a public school..


Public school.  With the A.C.T Education system you have to opt in not out of RE classes which are normally run during lunchtime.

This is the book they are taking it from every book site I have looked at for this book recommends me more religious books after that one

http://springdalecollege.org.uk/store/prod...artin-robinson/

#16 librablonde

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (jayskette @ 29/02/2012, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
people are getting confused with religion and ethics/morals. This course teaches common sense stuff that any non-religious person with proper values would have anyway. MY problem would be whether the chaplain will deliberately inject Christian examples.

Agreed. I'm not a Christian and would have no issues with letting my kids do that course. I would ask the Chaplin if there will be a focus on Christian fables and guidelines, but if there's not an overt Jesus-y element, I'd go for it. My DD has done a 6 week workshop on feelings/morals/values at school which is organised by the public school chaplin, and it wasn't religious.


#17 KT1978

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

Our chaplain is religious but the pastoral care programs she runs are not.

I thought that was part of the funding deal?

I would let dd do it after making sure religious content wasn't included.

#18 GoBack2Bed

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:25 PM

I think whether you let your child do the course is entirely up to you based on your knowledge of your child, the chaplain and the course.

If you are really uncomfortable with it but your son really wants to do it couldn't you create your own "course" around the broad topics and teach him these values yourself with set tasks/course work to go with it.

They seem like great values/lessons to spend time on but I understand your hesitation about the religious aspects.

#19 halcyondays

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:28 PM

I'd be really really sensitive to the use of the word "selected". what do they mean? Is your son having trouble with these concepts? ARe they picking the non RE children? Sounds a bit like a Reader's Digest in the draw to win.... thing to me.


#20 Hootabelles

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:39 PM

QUOTE (CaptainOblivious @ 29/02/2012, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
public schools in NSW must provide 30 minutes per week of RE.



QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 29/02/2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Public school.  With the A.C.T Education system you have to opt in not out of RE classes which are normally run during lunchtime.

This is the book they are taking it from every book site I have looked at for this book recommends me more religious books after that one

http://springdalecollege.org.uk/store/prod...artin-robinson/



Thanks for clarifying that...I am actually quite surprised by that.   I have no kids in school yet so looking forward to having to deal with all this  wink.gif

#21 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

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I'd be really really sensitive to the use of the word "selected". what do they mean?


Sorry the word they used in the note was Chosen.  I have no idea what they mean other than he was chosen to do this.

QUOTE
Is your son having trouble with these concepts?


No.

QUOTE
ARe they picking the non RE children?


It's for year 4 and 5 students so if my DD1 gets one then I could say yes they are but at the moment I don't know I only received the note today.


#22 Ingrid the Swan

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

I would be asking:

1. Why he was selected, particularly as an opt out student

2. Who else was selected (eg whether it is an insidious way of having the opt out students have contact with the chaplain)

3. Further particulars on what the course entails

4. A guarantee that religious content would not be part of the curriculum

5. Exactly what class time he would be missing out on and how they intend to catch him up.

Presuming that the answers to all of your questions were satisfactory, then I would let him if he wants to - but reevaluate that decision after the first few weeks if necessary.

#23 Kay1

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE
I would be asking:

1. Why he was selected, particularly as an opt out student

2. Who else was selected (eg whether it is an insidious way of having the opt out students have contact with the chaplain)

3. Further particulars on what the course entails

4. A guarantee that religious content would not be part of the curriculum

5. Exactly what class time he would be missing out on and how they intend to catch him up.

Presuming that the answers to all of your questions were satisfactory, then I would let him if he wants to - but reevaluate that decision after the first few weeks if necessar
y.

Yep this.

#24 namie

Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

I don't have kids in school yet, but I like Dabri's suggestion.
QUOTE (Dabri @ 29/02/2012, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would be asking:

1. Why he was selected, particularly as an opt out student

2. Who else was selected (eg whether it is an insidious way of having the opt out students have contact with the chaplain)

3. Further particulars on what the course entails

4. A guarantee that religious content would not be part of the curriculum

5. Exactly what class time he would be missing out on and how they intend to catch him up.

Presuming that the answers to all of your questions were satisfactory, then I would let him if he wants to - but reevaluate that decision after the first few weeks if necessary.



#25 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:11 PM

Thanks for the advice ladies.  I only asked because DH and I are at odds over this.  He is all for letting him do it no questions asked.  I on the other hand have major reservations about him doing it and why he should be missing 55 minutes of class time to do this.




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