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#1 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:30 PM

Obviously something is going to happen, probably in the next week or so.  

Options
(a) Rudd forces a no-confidence vote against Gillard
(b) Gillard hold a leadership ballot
(c ) Gillard sacks Rudd from front bench (citing disloyalty)

Either way, it's going to be messy and does nothing for the government.  While this remains at the forefront of news reports and is on people's lips, it prevents the government from focussing on policy and governing.

Tony Abbott must be loving this!

Momentum swing?

Crean calls for Rudd to put up or shut up

Leadership speculation by Annabel Crabb
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She thinks he shouldn't be prime minister because he's nuts. He thinks she shouldn't be prime minister because she's hopeless. And that's about the size of it. Caucus members now arrange themselves into Team Bloodnut and Team Bowlcut, driven by nothing except the clinical extent of their own despair.

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Rudd shuts up after declaring he's a changed man

Only Kevin can stop Kevin now

Edited by YodaTheWrinkledOne, 20 February 2012 - 01:31 PM.


#2 brangisnotaword

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:33 PM

I think that the party must think that thay are operating in a vacuum and that no-one is watching.  It's embarrassing.

#3 Tyrantasaurus

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:37 PM

I agree, Tony Abbott must be laughing and just rubbing his hands together with glee.

#4 Liadan

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:39 PM

The scariest part, is that this means that Tony Abbott might actually win the next election.

I have a lot of friends who are Liberal voters, they voted Labor at the last election because Abbott is the Liberal leader. They would have voted libs if anyone BUT Abbott had been the leader.

#5 geckosrule

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:40 PM

Gillard or Rudd?

Who cares!

Same Party
Same policies
Same broken promises
Same incompetencies
Same minority government


I'm sick of this smoke and mirrors that takes attention away from the important issues.

#6 BetteBoop

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (2handsdon'tspillit @ 20/02/2012, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that the party must think that thay are operating in a vacuum and that no-one is watching.  It's embarrassing.


Yes. A party that's plagued by in-fighting and leadership dramas does nothing to inspire confidence in their ability to run a country.

Any extra votes they might pick up for having Rudd at the helm would be negated by the voters not prepared to vote for a party when they don't know who the leader will be next week, let alone next year.

Still, fascinating times ahead.

#7 Jupiter123

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

It really is a sad state of affairs when even our government can't keep it together and then successfully make themselves look like clowns in a sideshow alley.

I think replacing the entire labor government with mums and dads from EB would be a good start to fixing this joke that is the labor government.... now who wants to be Prime Minister  laughing2.gif





#8 Guest_Telmatiaeos_*

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

I think that it's about the only thing that Labor can try right now in an attempt to be re-elected.  Gillard did the hard work.  He can come in now and try to make things all ok again in the eyes of the electorate.  I don't think it will work, but can understand why they'd try.  I don't think there is any chance that Labor would get back in with Gillard leading.  I think she's had a very bad time by the media.  If you actually look at what she has done, in very difficult circumstances and actually listen to what she says, I think she's a good leader.  TBH I just don't think that Australia was ready for a female PM.  Unfortunately.

I must say though that I've been really disappointed by some of this government's environmental decisions.  But then the alternative is worse.

#9 Guest_GreyMatter_*

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:47 PM

It's comical.  I'm finding it quite entertaining to watch the labor party implode.  I am wondering and slightly concerned about whether there is any actual "governing" going on, but we've not seen any real evidence of that before this anyway.


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TBH I just don't think that Australia was ready for a female PM. Unfortunately.


I don't think its got anything to do with Australia not being ready for a female PM - she's just a bad leader.

#10 FloralArrangement

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:48 PM

I love it, Rudd is being disloyal unlike Gillard who ousted the leader of her party and the country and became Prime Minister in the most embarrassing manner.

#11 dadathome

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

Under Rudd, Labor had been backflipping on hard choices for months, and hadn't been able to (still can't) sell the success of its economic measures during the GFC. I don't see that Rudd would have done any better at the last election than Gillard, but at least Labor under Gillard has pushed through a number of solid policies.

I agree with the view that a vote is needed or Rudd needs to just walk away. The ongoing leadership sniping is simply destabalising a government which is much better than anything the opposition is putting forward, especially with oppositions new "when the surplus is big enough" get out of jail card.

Bring on the spill and let that be the end of it!!!!

#12 Velociraptor

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:04 PM

I think this whole scandal has been almost exclusively driven by the media. I really wish they'd just stop picking at political scabs.

#13 ali27

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM

It is a huge embarrassment both domestically and internationally. Surely this could be resolved and the party present a united front. I'm sure the media is also enjoying fueling the fire.

#14 HeroOfCanton

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Serendipaceratops @ 20/02/2012, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this whole scandal has been almost exclusively driven by the media. I really wish they'd just stop picking at political scabs.

This.
I wish there was some quality journalism in this country

#15 Princess.cranky.pants

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:16 PM

It's a joke and they need to sort it out. They dump Rudd when he was popular and doing well in the poles. It was a huge mistake and they are paying for it.

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I don't think its got anything to do with Australia not being ready for a female PM - she's just a bad leader.


Agree. Nothing to do with being female.. she is a terrible leader.

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The scariest part, is that this means that Tony Abbott might actually win the next election.


The other side is not looking good ether. They can't even decided who the leader of the party is so how can they run the country.




#16 dadathome

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (Princess.cranky.pants @ 20/02/2012, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They dump Rudd when he was popular and doing well in the poles.

His polling had been declining for months, not helped by the policy backflips. The Opposition really screwed him over too by stabbing Turnbull in the back on a single vote and dumping its long-term support for an emissions trading scheme.

#17 Guest_Telmatiaeos_*

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:22 PM

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The other side is not looking good ether. They can't even decided who the leader of the party is so how can they run the country.


Yeh, but the Libs have decided that they want Tony Abbott to run the country.   sick.gif  And they're serious.

This man:

http://polliepomes.files.wordpress.com/201...money-gina2.jpg


#18 Sir Dinosaurus

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:23 PM

I think it needs sorting and ending if there's any hope of them retaining half their seats at the next election.

I'm also in the "terrified of Abbott" camp. He's too scary domestically but internationally it'd be like having Prince Phillip as good will diplomat with views so conservative he makes George W look like a hippy. I wish someone decent would lead either party. Or more people would vote Green and Bob could be PM biggrin.gif

It should be an interesting week in politics though.

#19 His Boy Elroy

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:23 PM

While I am a loyal liberal supporter, I would rather stab myself in the eye with a butter knife than have that Abbott snake become PM......

Where's Joe Hockey when you need him???

#20 71Cath

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Serendipaceratops @ 20/02/2012, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this whole scandal has been almost exclusively driven by the media. I really wish they'd just stop picking at political scabs.

Well said

#21 Guest_Telmatiaeos_*

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:24 PM

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views so conservative he makes George W look like a hippy.


Snort.   laugh.gif

#22 tel2

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:26 PM

Julia should've NOT put him in her cabinet. Stupid woman should've just let him go. I said to my DH when this all occured having KRudd around is a bad move  and will eventually come and bite her in the butt - looks like it might happen soon  original.gif  



#23 dadathome

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (His Boy Elroy @ 20/02/2012, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where's Joe Hockey when you need him???

Out trying to capture this guy to pay for their promises


Although, if people are tricked by "when the surplus is big enough" they may never have to deliver on any promises!

#24 71Cath

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (tel2 @ 20/02/2012, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Julia should've NOT put him in her cabinet. Stupid woman should've just let him go. I said to my DH when this all occured having KRudd around is a bad move  and will eventually come and bite her in the butt - looks like it might happen soon  original.gif

But if she left him on the back bench it just gives him more time to plot her downfall  cool.gif  At least as Foreign Minister he is out of the country a lot  laugh.gif

#25 Princess.cranky.pants

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:43 PM

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His polling had been declining for months, not helped by the policy backflips.


Declining yes but Gillard's is much lower now than Rudd was when they gave him to boot. It was dirty politics and it's coming back to haunt them now... and I am not a fan of Rudd.

Would have been interesting to see how his popularity would have fared if they have of kept him in. Maybe they would have won the election with a bigger margin and didn't needed the support of the independents.. which has created a lot of mess.




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