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#276 Daisy Goat

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:41 AM

Kay- it is attitudes like that that disturb me greatly about swim schools.
For a start how  would someone even go about "forcing" a child to back float?  The whole basis of floating involves control of body and a form of relaxation.

I am a huge advocate of back floating to save lives. It buys the most valuable of commodities-time.

My twin boys are supposed to start school swimming lessons for ten days straight next week. I have yet to sign the form for it as the school cannot tell me enough about the swim school, the group sizes, whether it is indoor or outdoor( the facility has both) and how they assess the children's current skills. As an aside I also will not let them ride in an old style bus ( but that is a whole different set of issues)

. We have our own pool so have spent a lot of time in the water with them.  My boys can swim.Well they could at march this year. But I am sure their skills have diminished over the winter. My main focus though last summer was to learn to float. This year it will be to float and swim clothed.

I really don't care if they can swim to the bottom and pick up a pretty coloured ring. I care about them staying alive and responsible pool safety.

#277 Julie3Girls

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

I'm really surprised there are swim schools that don't include floating?

I know ours certainly does. Right from the first lessons when the kids don't need parents in the pool at 2.5yrs, part of the lesson is getting the kids to float. Even the bub and mums classes, I've seen them doing activities with the babies lying on their backs supported by the parent, but getting the idea across.

At safety week last week at swimming, they were doing all sorts of floating - with a variety of floatation devices (life jackets, something thrown to them in the pool etc), as well as floating on their own, sculling etc.  This was in EVERY age group.

#278 hannahbug

Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Julie3Girls @ 12/11/2012, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm really surprised there are swim schools that don't include floating?

I know ours certainly does. Right from the first lessons when the kids don't need parents in the pool at 2.5yrs, part of the lesson is getting the kids to float. Even the bub and mums classes, I've seen them doing activities with the babies lying on their backs supported by the parent, but getting the idea across.

At safety week last week at swimming, they were doing all sorts of floating - with a variety of floatation devices (life jackets, something thrown to them in the pool etc), as well as floating on their own, sculling etc.  This was in EVERY age group.

its what we encourage all swim schools to do train kids for real life situations.    

#279 hannahbug

Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:40 AM

Bumping this up again.

Please SUPERVISE children around water.  Baths, ponds, lakes, dams, pools anywhere around water!   Put a life jacket on a child when visiting public places if you have more than one child.    Immersions are silent, there is no screaming or splashing its so silent.

I urge everyone to read this thread from beginning to end.    THis summer i dont want to see families grieving or attending funerals, its supposed to be a great time over xmas and sadly this time til end of January is the PEAK times for Toddlers under 3 and also men aged 17 - 45 drowning drunk.

#280 PopRocks

Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

Bumping this very important topic, especially as the weather will be heating up in Melbourne for the coming week.

#281 JRA

Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

I am glad someone bumped this again.

Interestingly all our grade 4 kids at swimming had to swim 12x25m in clothes this week for swimming, 4 x 25m breaststroke, 4 x 25 freestyle and 4 "survival backstroke". This is in readiness of them all doing an open water swim of 150m (i think) in clothes in a few weeks. Apparently 3 of the 50m will use a lifejacket.

I think it great.

#282 baddmammajamma

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

Bumped in light of another active thread.

#283 baddmammajamma

Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:30 AM

In memory of the Purple Princess, Hannah, on her 8th birthday.

#284 mal'occhio

Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:05 AM

Bumping in memory of Hannah. Now that I'm a mum, I can't bear to think of the heartbreak you have suffered.

#285 Neriah

Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:05 AM

My dp and I were discussing getting a small pool and he thought you only had to get a pool fence if you had children, so I spent some time yesterday explaining about pool safety, fences, supervision etc. information I would not have had without these threads, and for that I am grateful. My heart goes out to Kat and her family. She does amazing work. I hope she is doing ok today.

#286 Soontobegran

Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:09 AM

And another bump on Hannah's Birthday.
This time of the year this message really needs to be heard.

Edited by soontobegran, 10 December 2012 - 08:09 AM.

#287 PopRocks

Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

Bumping on Hannah's 8th birthday.

#288 dessiesgirl

Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

What amazing strength you have shown in the face of such tragedy. Your little girl will live on in the hearts of everyone who has read her story

#289 Tall Poppy

Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

Happy Birthday Hannah

This is such an important message, I hope these threads make us all think about our kids and water safety.

#290 daisydo

Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Bumping to remind everyone about this important message.

#291 *LucyE*

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (hannahbug)
Thirdly I wont be bullied by a swim school as to what I can advocate and what I cant, Im keeping the industry honest and kids under Five CAN FLOAT!

From the letter you quoted, it doesn't seem like they are bullying, refusing to teach floating or claiming that under 5's can't float.

QUOTE (letter included in hannahbug's post)
Back-floating certainly has a place in the drowning prevention world – but can be achieved without the ‘forced’ approach – in a more gentle and child friendly mannar, which is what our Swim School strongly advocates.

I know you feel very strongly about this topic but I agree with the author of this letter.  I have looked into the learn to swim method you recommend and decided that it wasn't for us.  The 'forced' nature of the instructions did not sit well with me.  That's my personal opinion and I have found a swim school that I and my children are comfortable with.  I don't think there is a wrong or right way to approach teaching children to swim or survival techniques because they are all individuals.  

Some of your comments may come across as disparaging of swim schools that use different methods which may affect the desire of people to listen to the greater message of water safety awareness.  

I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh because that's not how I intended it.

#292 baddmammajamma

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

Two children drowned within 24 hours in NSW: a 12-month-old in a pool and another little child in a bathtub. sad.gif


Please, please, please always supervise your children around water -- all types of water! It only takes seconds to drown.

Edited by baddmammajamma, 21 December 2012 - 04:36 PM.

#293 baddmammajamma

Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:16 AM



It can help save lives!

Edited by baddmammajamma, 22 December 2012 - 06:28 AM.

#294 JRA

Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

Two more drownings yesterday,how terrible

I must admit at the surf yesterday it was great watching the oldest nippers all doing their qualifications to turn them in to life savers. A magic group of teenagers having fun, learning to help put back in to the community in an important service

Edited by JRA, 22 December 2012 - 10:12 AM.

#295 daisydo

Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

Bumping again after a drowning yesterday of a 17mth old at the Gold Coast and a near drowning of a 3 year old on Christmas eve.

Terrible news.

#296 lovepink

Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

Katherine thank you for your message.

One thing I have been wondering is Public Parks that have water features/ponds etc? How are these allowed? Doesnt make sense to me.

#297 Pixar

Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:35 PM


Hopefully a small, but signifcant step, for fencing 'portable' pools!


#298 baddmammajamma

Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

A small step, but at least it's in the right direction.

Thanks for sharing & for bumping this important thread in the process.

There have been too many drownings or near drownings in Australia this summer. sad.gif

#299 baddmammajamma

Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:20 AM


#300 MakesMeHappy

Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:39 PM

I thought about Kat and Hannah when I heard on the news this morning about a little girl drowing in NSW. I think that is the second toddler drowing this month.

Keep safe everyone

Edited by MakesMeHappy, 09 December 2013 - 11:39 PM.

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