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should quiche have a pastry base?

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#1 danielsmum

Posted 16 February 2004 - 07:52 PM

Hi girls
Just a quick question for all you cooks out there - do you think a quiche should have a pastry base?
I bought one from the cheescake shop today to take on a picnic lunch (thinking people could just pick up a slice) but when I cut it I found it did not have pastry so you could not pick up a slice to eat it.  When I queried with the Cheesecake shop later they said that was just the way they are made and are designed to be put on a plate not picked up.
I was really annoyed - I had just assumed that all quiches had bases (this was the first one I had seen without) and I had been talking to the sales girl about taking it straight to a picnic as "pick up and eat" food and she didn't say anything...
Just curious - if you bought a quiche would you expect to be able to pick up a slice or would you expect to need a plate and a spoon/fork?

#2 Elle

Posted 16 February 2004 - 07:59 PM

If there is no pastry I'd say it was frittata!

I guess common expectation is defiantely that quiche should be with a pastry base: & definately the original french recipe calls for quiche to have a pastry base.

But in these days of dodgy food marketing there seems to be a lot of blurred descriptions! In the case of the Cheesecake shop, I often find their names for things are all a bit misleading........you did the right thing by complaining.........

PS If you want a proper quiche recipe with pastry (I also have an easy "cheat" one too, that has pastry!) just let me know?



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This message was edited by Elle on Monday, 16 February 2004 @ 9:01 PM

#3 danielsmum

Posted 16 February 2004 - 08:05 PM

Thanks Elle
The sales girl thought I was just being difficult when I queried it (I got the "of course that is how it is made - what did you expect" attitude)
As we could not eat it for lunch (too messy) it got brought home and the pieces frozen induvidually for future home lunches...

I'd still be interested to hear other opinions on this ...

#4 busymum01

Posted 16 February 2004 - 08:33 PM

I agree with Elle a quiche without pastry isn't a quiche!  mmmmmm.. interesting, I always cheat when I make mine - I use sheets of puff pastry, but never NO pastry!?  That's just wrong!!

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#5 JoannaM

Posted 16 February 2004 - 09:51 PM

Yup- quiche has pastry, if it doesn't it is a fritatta

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#6 zimbo

Posted 17 February 2004 - 02:06 AM

I have nothing sensible to say, just that the topic got truncated on my screen (my setup??) and so I saw:

should quiche have a past...?

Damn good question!!!


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#7 Expat

Posted 17 February 2004 - 05:27 AM

I have a recipe I use often which includes flour, which drops to the bottom and gives it kind of a base, but this is only becasue I'm too lazy to make it properly.

If I bought one from a shop I would absolutely expect it to be "proper" ie, with a pastry base.

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#8 Nicola67

Posted 17 February 2004 - 09:15 AM

I thought that was the whole point of a quiche so you could take it on picnics and/or serve up as easy and neat food.  It's not a quiche if you can't pick it up with you fingers and doesn't have a pastry base.  I would have asked for my money back.  Crappy customer service if you ask me.  

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#9 sara_bean

Posted 17 February 2004 - 10:12 PM

According to the Larousse Gastronomique (THE culinary reference book!)... Quiche is an open tart filled with a mixture of beaten eggs, creme fraiche and pieces of bacon, served hot as a first course or hors d'oeuvre.  Originating in Lorraine (the name comes from the German, Kuchen, meaning 'cake'), it has become a classic of French cuisine and is also widely enjoyed in other countries.

It's origins go back to the 16th century; in Nancy, where it is a speciality, its local name is feouse.  Quiches used to be made from bread dough, but now shortcrust or puff pastry is used.  In some areas of Lorraine any pastry tart filled with eggs and cream mixed with onions, cream cheese or pumpkin is called a quiche, and elsewhere quiches can be made with cheese, ham, bacon, onion, mushrooms, seafood and various other ingredients.

So based on this definition (and every recipe I've ever seen) a quiche has a pastry base.  I think the Cheesecake Shop likes to reinvent things.  They sell something that they call a pecan pie, and it looks nothing like any other pecan pie I've seen or made.

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#10 Elle

Posted 18 February 2004 - 12:25 PM

Hi Telysa,

Here you go.........


23cm tart tin, serves 4.

(To cheat, use ready rolled shortcrust pastry, or even better, use a ready made raw pastry plan base (savory) from the freezer section of the supermarket.....)

4 rashers bacon, chopped
1 small onion, chopped finely
1 teaspoon oil
60g grated tasty cheese
3 eggs, beaten
1/2 cup cream
1/2 cup milk
1/2 teaspoon grated nutmeg
ground black pepper

~ Pre-heat oven to 180`c
~ Bake blind the pastry case for 10 mins
~ Fry the bacon and onion together in the oil
~ Spread over pastry base
~ Spinkle on the grated cheese
~ Beat eggs, milk, cram and nutmeg and black pepper together
~ Por egg mix over bacon & cheese
~ Bake for a fruther 30 mins
~ Eat hot, cold or at room temp



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#11 danielsmum

Posted 19 February 2004 - 02:56 PM

Wow - this got lots of responses!!!
I guess I am not the only one who thinks the CCS is in the wrong...
LOL Keren, I thought this topic might escape your notice tucked in "recipes" - I should have known :-) (for others info, it was an eb meet that Keren organised that I took my quiche to, and couldn't eat it - so much for taking the easy option, I'll have to be more organised next time and make something LOL)
Thanks everyone for your responses :-)

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