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#1 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:06 AM

I'm a bit confused about my own situation.

I don't live with my partner yet, and may not during the time I am off work with the baby, as he will most likely be training for a job on a campus (near to me anyway).  He also won't be earning a wage in these few months either!

We've never lived together.

Does that mean when I claim anything from the FAO etc, I would be classed as single?  What I am worried about is that they'd then expect I try and claim chid support?

Any ideas would be helpful original.gif

#2 blackbird

Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:07 AM

I think you would be classed as single, its more for people who are living together, sharing money and expenses, you could just ring and ask.

Edited by blackbird, 19 August 2010 - 11:08 AM.


#3 Kafkaesque

Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:20 AM

Yes I believe if you want to claim payments as a single parent they will expect you to also get child support. That said if your childs father is unemployed then it would be a very small amount.

#4 hills mum bec

Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:27 PM

I realise this is probably an entriely different situation but it may help.  My Mum is on a disability pension & has a boyfriend who is also a pensioner.  They decided to move in together living in her DP's house.  She had her own house to sell so deiceded that the would live some weekend at her house, some weekend at his house (about 2 hours travel between the 2) and would stay by themselves during the week until the house was sold.  My Mum did not want to leave her house empty until she knew it was sold which probably makes sense.  Anyway, a "friend" of my Mum's dobbed her into Centrelink who then conducted an investigation.  Centrelink had all the details of holidays they had taken together, what dates she wasn't at home etc (nice "friend" huh).  Mum was told that she could no longer claim a single pension & would have to apply for a spouse pension along with her DP.  Mum thought she wasn't doing anything wrong becase they were not yet 'living together' just spending some time at each others places & was intending to cancel her single pension as soon as she sold her house.  Centrelink told her that as soon as they had made a 'committment to each other & started staying over each othrs house regularly they were deemed to be in a relationship.  She was very distraught about this & her & DP had to pay her mortgage & his rent while only earning a lot less money between them.

Edited by hills mum bec, 19 August 2010 - 02:39 PM.


#5 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:34 PM

Oh wow ok....I guess it might be more complicated than I thought.

I don't want to claim single parent pension, I only am thinking about FTB A & B etc.

He's also seperated but not yet officially divorced, so I guess that's going to make it even weirder!

#6 JRA

Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE
don't want to claim single parent pension, I only am thinking about FTB A & B etc


But they vary based on being single or not.

Truthfully, you can't have it both ways.

He is your partner or not. If he isn't, he should pay child support

#7 crazyandlovingit

Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:58 PM

CL would consider you to be partnered in this situation.

And if you decide to go down the roadof claiming as being single then he will have to pay child support.

#8 Carmie

Posted 19 August 2010 - 04:08 PM

I would say you were partnered. My DH and I constantly live in different states due to work but just because we dont live together in the same house doesnt mean we aren't in a relationship, this also happened before we were married but still had children together.


#9 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 04:22 PM

Hmm ok.  I thought you'd have to be sharing something financially at the time or have lived together!  I don't think his wages would effect much anyway as they won't be much due to his studying.



#10 Green Gummy Bear

Posted 19 August 2010 - 06:02 PM

Do you consider yourself as single?

He is the father of your child and if I've understood correctly you plan to live together at some point in the future.  To me you are in a relationship.

#11 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 06:45 PM

I consider myself partnered, but as we have lived completely separately financially and will be at the time, I didn't think we'd be considered LEGALLY as anything, I thought you'd have to be defacto or married to be considered partnered.

#12 JRA

Posted 19 August 2010 - 07:12 PM

Well if you consider yourself single, he will need to pay child support.

#13 It's Me

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:33 PM

It sounds like you are trying to find loopholes to get more money from the government.

It is really not that difficult - you are either in a relationship or you're not.  If your partner is not earning much money, then that will reflect on your FTB payments anyway.

#14 samagard

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:40 PM

QUOTE
It sounds like you are trying to find loopholes to get more money from the government.


How is that assumption going for you  rolleyes.gif
If she was trying to do that she would claim single pension which she has already said she isn't doing.

OP
Best to go in and see someone at Centrelink. Yes you are in a relationship, but if you do not live together, and do not share any finances, without regular nights staying over (ie every weekend or something similar) then you are classed as single.

#15 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (YouAre! @ 19/08/2010, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It sounds like you are trying to find loopholes to get more money from the government.

It is really not that difficult - you are either in a relationship or you're not.  If your partner is not earning much money, then that will reflect on your FTB payments anyway.


It sounds like you shouldn't be so rude and assume things about people based on, well...nothing.

I don't think it's simple AT ALL, hence questions.  I don't think it's really 'out there' to wonder if single parenting is based on FINANCES, and not 'oh well we love each other and hold hands'.

#16 noone special

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:46 PM

legally yes, morally no

#17 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (somebody_new @ 19/08/2010, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How is that assumption going for you  rolleyes.gif
If she was trying to do that she would claim single pension which she has already said she isn't doing.

OP
Best to go in and see someone at Centrelink. Yes you are in a relationship, but if you do not live together, and do not share any finances, without regular nights staying over (ie every weekend or something similar) then you are classed as single.


Thank you (on both counts).  Because I'm unsure of where'll we be come Dec/Jan (ie, if his course finishes early, this won't be an issue most likely), I don't want to rush into centrelink about it, and I still have months before I'm even off work.

The 'problem' I had is if I declare myself as single, I'd then have to go officially for child support, which considering our circumstances feels a bit silly, but OTOH, might just be the drawback.

#18 Green Fairy

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:50 PM

C/L will consider you partnered.

#19 samagard

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:00 PM

Tessied
I think just wait and see how the situation pans out.
Then go see Centrelink. Unless someone on Eb has written the current centrelink policies on partnered/single parenting payment, no one is going to know how they will view you.

Perhaps by the end of the year the situation may have changed.

Edited by somebody_new, 19 August 2010 - 09:01 PM.


#20 It's Me

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE
How is that assumption going for you


It's not an assumption, it's how it appears to me.  She is in a relationship, yet she doesn't know whether to declare she's in a relationship incase it causes her payments to decrease.....am I wrong??   shrug.gif

The FTB takes into consideration what your combined income is, so if your partner is not earning very much, then you should still get the max rate anyway.

This may be of some use to you: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/inte...03_0907en_p.pdf

ETA - Do you think he intends to not contribute to anything whilst you are living apart?  Even if he is on little income I highly doubt that he won't contribute financially somewhere along the line.  That is why you'd be considered partnered.

Edited by YouAre!, 19 August 2010 - 09:51 PM.


#21 Tessied

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:48 PM

QUOTE (YouAre! @ 19/08/2010, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not an assumption, it's how it appears to me.  She is in a relationship, yet she doesn't know whether to declare she's in a relationship incase it causes her payments to decrease.....am I wrong??   shrug.gif

The FTB takes into consideration what your combined income is, so if your partner is not earning very much, then you should still get the max rate anyway.

This may be of some use to you: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/inte...03_0907en_p.pdf


Again, it's because we SHARE NOTHING financially!  NOTHING!  He could earn $1 or $100 and it doesn't help or hinder me.

There are always legal aspects to 'relationships' aren't there?  There's a difference between a married couple, a defacto couple, a dating couple, a same sex couple?  It's not as simple as 'we're going out, yay'.

So yeah, if they are going to take what he's earning right now into consideration of what I can earn while I am not working, I would prefer to avoid that, considering I have no access to his money and so do not benefit from it.

Not everyone knows about centrelink stuff - I have worked full time for years and never claimed a thing, so instead of assuming I'm trying to rip the government off, how about you assume I just don't find it clear what makes someone LEGALLY bound to another.

#22 blackbird

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:51 PM

Does that mean every boyfriend you get you have to now say you are partnered even though you are in separate households etc.? i think a lot of men will run far away from anyone one center-link if thats the case!

I was harassed by center-link when I was a teen because they believed that one of the men I was living with must be my partner, even though we all had separate bedrooms and separate finances.

If he is still technically married then does that make him still in a 'partnership' with the ex too? they ARE legally joined till divorce

#23 Green Gummy Bear

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:51 PM

You are LEGALLY bound together by the child that you SHARE.



#24 It's Me

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE
Not everyone knows about centrelink stuff - I have worked full time for years and never claimed a thing, so instead of assuming I'm trying to rip the government off, how about you assume I just don't find it clear what makes someone LEGALLY bound to another.


Ease up!  I never bloody assumed anything - I said it was how it appeared to me.  

Well, just because you have shared nothing in the past, doesn't mean you won't share anything once the baby is here (which is when you will get the FTB anyway - you won't get it before it is born).

Like I said, he is bound to contribute financially somewhat once the baby is here, so if you don't want to claim child support then yes I do think you'll be considered as partnered....because you are.

Edited by YouAre!, 19 August 2010 - 09:57 PM.


#25 blackbird

Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (bcbk @ 19/08/2010, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are LEGALLY bound together by the child that you SHARE.


no it just makes you both bound to the child, not each other.

if you go for single, you will have to through the child support stuff, it would probably be 'easier' just to claim that he is a partner, if he actually agrees to it! he needs to be happy with that too

Edited by blackbird, 19 August 2010 - 10:00 PM.





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