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#1 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:34 PM

I said it last night, Ill say it again. I'm a Julia fan, I am a Labor girl from generations back...BUT, investigating the hatred of Tony has led me to this little gem- his pledge of $1.5 Billion for mental health. Julia is not even trying to match it, and given it is such a huge area of need, affects SO MANY people and has so many repercussions when underfunded, this is a real cat amongst my pigeons.

I am hoping, and someone tell me if I have overlooked it, that Labors Health plan will incorporate something just as flash. That is her defense it seems, that they have this health system plan they are working on, but does it deliver with such force, to the places it is needed? please tell me it does.

#2 ComradeBob

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:39 PM

I have family members with mental health issues and feck-all community support so I fully get where you're coming from. And I'm a Labor girl from generations back!

I just wouldn't trust that Tony Abbott will follow through on this pledge or whether it would turn into a "non-core" promise. He's already contradicted himself on whether workchoices would come back and I'm still wondering how he's going to pay for that whizz-bang-you-beaut maternity leave plan he promised a few months ago.

I don't actually know whether the Labor Party is going to propose something workable in this field, but they desperately need to because it is a massive, if overlooked and not especially sexy issue that nevertheless has to be addressed.



#3 purplekitty

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:44 PM

No, because I don't trust him. His record in health does not inspire confidence.



#4 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:46 PM

I won't vote on one single election promise that probably won't come through, this is coming from the guy who told the heads of Australia charities that he would not meet Labor's promise of halving homelessness by 2020:

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In justifying his stance, Abbott quoted from the Gospel of Matthew: ''The poor will always be with us,'' he said, and referred to the fact there is little a government can do for people who choose to be homeless.


http://www.smh.com.au/bible-bashing-the-ho...ss-abbott-style



#5 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:48 PM

Nicola Roxon has tried to explain that within the primary healthcare model they are creating, there will be fundning for the root causes of mental illness- I think that is not clear enough. I think unless they come out with some figures of $$ going directly to mental health they will lose votes on this one.

#6 Amanda_R

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

Nope.

I'd maybe change sides if he happened to get and did implement it.  But I highly doubt either will happen.

That said I don't believe much of any politician/party until I see it happen.

#7 Bel Rowley

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:53 PM

No. Mental health is an important issue, but not one I care about enough that I would compromise my principles and vote for someone who stands for so much I don't agree with.

#8 FeralProudSwahili

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

Absolutely not. He could pledge a hundred million squillons and it would make no difference to me.

#9 Hayleymumof3

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

No and I have Mental health issues, I am unwilling to sacrifice everything for $1.5billion, I am talking about reproductive rights, helping the less fortunate, better hospitals, better roads, better schools. A workable climate policy.

#10 Just Mel

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 20/07/2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, because I don't trust him. His record in health does not inspire confidence.


Yup, me too. No way would I vote for him regardless of what he promises.


#11 red_squirrel

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:19 PM

It is a very important issue and Labor don't appear to being doing anything to help.

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No way would I vote for him regardless of what he promises.
But you aren't voting for him, you are voting for a party as we have just had demonstrated to us by Julia.

I'm not sure whom I am voting for yet as I don't any of the parties.

#12 Maple Leaf

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:23 PM

No way. That amount of money would never end up in mental health. All talk.

#13 allye06

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:32 PM

I'm a Labor girl but I would be very tempted by that promise considering that's where I want to specialise next year. I would also suspect it's all spin.

I'm actually not excited about voting this coming election. I feel both sides are too right wing..

#14 credence

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:35 PM

Do people realise that what Labour have done to mental health is remove the better access to mental health scheme which gives people in the community 12 free sessions with a social worker or occupational therapist? Psychology is next on the cut list.

I'm definitely pro what the Libs are offering for mental health.

#15 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:40 PM

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Do people realise that what Labour have done to mental health is remove the better access to mental health scheme which gives people in the community 12 free sessions with a social worker or occupational therapist? Psychology is next on the cut list.


Yes, that's why this thread is here, people know Labor have not stepped up in regards to mental health, but why on earth would that push me to vote for a party who are 100 times worse and are only interested in financial security, border protection and keeping business happy?  The Green's policies on mental health and access to social welfare services is much better than both Labor and the Libs.  If they gain more power in the senate then I believe we will gain back some of the losses we've seen under Labor (this is coming from a Labor voter through and through who is very disgruntled with them!).



#16 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:44 PM

agree KM, that is what this thread is here for. I just got called a liberal troll in the other thread I started, when the reality of both my threads is to have a good thorough look at what both parties are really offering, instead of buying the myth- which is that Labor will unequivocally look after social justice and Libs will always steal from the needy. THAT is the propaganda I was raised on, but when you look for yourself, it is not always as black and white.

Do people know it was Paul Keating who originally introduced mandatory detention for asylum seekers?

**** me, by the end of these threads, maybe that PP accusation of me being a secret liberal voter will be true.

#17 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:50 PM

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I just got called a liberal troll in the other thread I started, when the reality of both my threads is to have a good thorough look at what both parties are really offering, instead of buying the myth- which is that Labor will unequivocally look after social justice and Libs will always steal from the needy. THAT is the propaganda I was raised on, but when you look for yourself, it is not always as black and white.


Yes, I find each election I am looking deeper into the policies of all parties (and individual candidates in those parties as well as independents).  I am also concious of the money I send to the party/candidate that I vote for in the House of Reps and in the Senate and hope that I send my money to those who need it instead of the bigger parties even if preference to a bigger party in the end.  I know it comes down to Labor or Liberal, but by sending votes in the way of the Greens and independents we can have a better balance in the senate and stop sending all the money to the bigger parties.



#18 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:51 PM

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Do people know it was Paul Keating who originally introduced mandatory detention for asylum seekers?


No I didn't, but it doesn't change anything for me, both Labor and Libs are being lousy in regards to asylum seekers anyway and I don't want a bar of the fearful policies they are promoting.



#19 Guest_Exidor_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:53 PM

No, it wouldn't change me.  I'm not going to be responsible for the death of any kittens.



#20 Smoosho

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:53 PM

And I was raised by 2 immigrants to this country (one fleeing a socialist regime) who believed a Liberal government ensured if a person worked hard they would be rewarded, and they could achieve their dreams , whereas a Labor government kept everyone down and killed any incentive to work hard...

#21 TrollityMcTroll

Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:05 PM

OP If you're getting paid by the Labor party for your campaign, I think it's legally bound that you declare it


Edited by SyndicateofTrolls, 20 July 2010 - 06:06 PM.


#22 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (**KM** @ 20/07/2010, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No I didn't, but it doesn't change anything for me, both Labor and Libs are being lousy in regards to asylum seekers anyway and I don't want a bar of the fearful policies they are promoting.


I was pointing out that often peoples mythology of a particular party does not reflect their history or actual policy. THAT is why I highlighted that Tony has pledged the money for mental health when that is really something people would have thought more of a labor style promise.

QUOTE (SyndicateofTrolls @ 20/07/2010, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OP If you're getting paid by the Labor party for your campaign, I think it's legally bound that you declare it



hahah, are you kidding?

#23 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:32 PM

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I was pointing out that often peoples mythology of a particular party does not reflect their history or actual policy. THAT is why I highlighted that Tony has pledged the money for mental health when that is really something people would have thought more of a labor style promise.


Yes I see your point, I don't think Labor or Libs stick to a certain philosophy, they both vote grab that is all.



#24 papilio

Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:44 PM

Like Shaboo, I work in the mental health field and it wouldn't make me vote Liberal.  Giving me 1.5 billion dollars wouldn't make me vote Liberal.

#25 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

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The devil is in the detail. His plan for $1.5b is over 4 years and is still only half of what is really required.


FUnny how this stuff gets played down.  Doesn't sound like quite so much now.  





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