Jump to content

Would Tony's $1.5 billion for mental health
change your vote?


  • Please log in to reply
32 replies to this topic

#1 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:34 PM

I said it last night, Ill say it again. I'm a Julia fan, I am a Labor girl from generations back...BUT, investigating the hatred of Tony has led me to this little gem- his pledge of $1.5 Billion for mental health. Julia is not even trying to match it, and given it is such a huge area of need, affects SO MANY people and has so many repercussions when underfunded, this is a real cat amongst my pigeons.

I am hoping, and someone tell me if I have overlooked it, that Labors Health plan will incorporate something just as flash. That is her defense it seems, that they have this health system plan they are working on, but does it deliver with such force, to the places it is needed? please tell me it does.

#2 RedBob

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:39 PM

I have family members with mental health issues and feck-all community support so I fully get where you're coming from. And I'm a Labor girl from generations back!

I just wouldn't trust that Tony Abbott will follow through on this pledge or whether it would turn into a "non-core" promise. He's already contradicted himself on whether workchoices would come back and I'm still wondering how he's going to pay for that whizz-bang-you-beaut maternity leave plan he promised a few months ago.

I don't actually know whether the Labor Party is going to propose something workable in this field, but they desperately need to because it is a massive, if overlooked and not especially sexy issue that nevertheless has to be addressed.



#3 purplekitty

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:44 PM

No, because I don't trust him. His record in health does not inspire confidence.



#4 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:46 PM

I won't vote on one single election promise that probably won't come through, this is coming from the guy who told the heads of Australia charities that he would not meet Labor's promise of halving homelessness by 2020:

QUOTE
In justifying his stance, Abbott quoted from the Gospel of Matthew: ''The poor will always be with us,'' he said, and referred to the fact there is little a government can do for people who choose to be homeless.


http://www.smh.com.au/bible-bashing-the-ho...ss-abbott-style



#5 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:48 PM

Nicola Roxon has tried to explain that within the primary healthcare model they are creating, there will be fundning for the root causes of mental illness- I think that is not clear enough. I think unless they come out with some figures of $$ going directly to mental health they will lose votes on this one.

#6 Amanda_R

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

Nope.

I'd maybe change sides if he happened to get and did implement it.  But I highly doubt either will happen.

That said I don't believe much of any politician/party until I see it happen.

#7 Bel Rowley

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:53 PM

No. Mental health is an important issue, but not one I care about enough that I would compromise my principles and vote for someone who stands for so much I don't agree with.

#8 FeralProudSwahili

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

Absolutely not. He could pledge a hundred million squillons and it would make no difference to me.

#9 Hayleymumof3

Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

No and I have Mental health issues, I am unwilling to sacrifice everything for $1.5billion, I am talking about reproductive rights, helping the less fortunate, better hospitals, better roads, better schools. A workable climate policy.

#10 Just Mel

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 20/07/2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, because I don't trust him. His record in health does not inspire confidence.


Yup, me too. No way would I vote for him regardless of what he promises.


#11 red_squirrel

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:19 PM

It is a very important issue and Labor don't appear to being doing anything to help.

QUOTE
No way would I vote for him regardless of what he promises.
But you aren't voting for him, you are voting for a party as we have just had demonstrated to us by Julia.

I'm not sure whom I am voting for yet as I don't any of the parties.

#12 Maple Leaf

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:23 PM

No way. That amount of money would never end up in mental health. All talk.

#13 allye06

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:32 PM

I'm a Labor girl but I would be very tempted by that promise considering that's where I want to specialise next year. I would also suspect it's all spin.

I'm actually not excited about voting this coming election. I feel both sides are too right wing..

#14 credence

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:35 PM

Do people realise that what Labour have done to mental health is remove the better access to mental health scheme which gives people in the community 12 free sessions with a social worker or occupational therapist? Psychology is next on the cut list.

I'm definitely pro what the Libs are offering for mental health.

#15 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE
Do people realise that what Labour have done to mental health is remove the better access to mental health scheme which gives people in the community 12 free sessions with a social worker or occupational therapist? Psychology is next on the cut list.


Yes, that's why this thread is here, people know Labor have not stepped up in regards to mental health, but why on earth would that push me to vote for a party who are 100 times worse and are only interested in financial security, border protection and keeping business happy?  The Green's policies on mental health and access to social welfare services is much better than both Labor and the Libs.  If they gain more power in the senate then I believe we will gain back some of the losses we've seen under Labor (this is coming from a Labor voter through and through who is very disgruntled with them!).



#16 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:44 PM

agree KM, that is what this thread is here for. I just got called a liberal troll in the other thread I started, when the reality of both my threads is to have a good thorough look at what both parties are really offering, instead of buying the myth- which is that Labor will unequivocally look after social justice and Libs will always steal from the needy. THAT is the propaganda I was raised on, but when you look for yourself, it is not always as black and white.

Do people know it was Paul Keating who originally introduced mandatory detention for asylum seekers?

**** me, by the end of these threads, maybe that PP accusation of me being a secret liberal voter will be true.

#17 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE
I just got called a liberal troll in the other thread I started, when the reality of both my threads is to have a good thorough look at what both parties are really offering, instead of buying the myth- which is that Labor will unequivocally look after social justice and Libs will always steal from the needy. THAT is the propaganda I was raised on, but when you look for yourself, it is not always as black and white.


Yes, I find each election I am looking deeper into the policies of all parties (and individual candidates in those parties as well as independents).  I am also concious of the money I send to the party/candidate that I vote for in the House of Reps and in the Senate and hope that I send my money to those who need it instead of the bigger parties even if preference to a bigger party in the end.  I know it comes down to Labor or Liberal, but by sending votes in the way of the Greens and independents we can have a better balance in the senate and stop sending all the money to the bigger parties.



#18 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE
Do people know it was Paul Keating who originally introduced mandatory detention for asylum seekers?


No I didn't, but it doesn't change anything for me, both Labor and Libs are being lousy in regards to asylum seekers anyway and I don't want a bar of the fearful policies they are promoting.



#19 Guest_Exidor_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:53 PM

No, it wouldn't change me.  I'm not going to be responsible for the death of any kittens.



#20 Smoosho

Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:53 PM

And I was raised by 2 immigrants to this country (one fleeing a socialist regime) who believed a Liberal government ensured if a person worked hard they would be rewarded, and they could achieve their dreams , whereas a Labor government kept everyone down and killed any incentive to work hard...

#21 TrollityMcTroll

Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:05 PM

OP If you're getting paid by the Labor party for your campaign, I think it's legally bound that you declare it


Edited by SyndicateofTrolls, 20 July 2010 - 06:06 PM.


#22 red door

Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (**KM** @ 20/07/2010, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No I didn't, but it doesn't change anything for me, both Labor and Libs are being lousy in regards to asylum seekers anyway and I don't want a bar of the fearful policies they are promoting.


I was pointing out that often peoples mythology of a particular party does not reflect their history or actual policy. THAT is why I highlighted that Tony has pledged the money for mental health when that is really something people would have thought more of a labor style promise.

QUOTE (SyndicateofTrolls @ 20/07/2010, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OP If you're getting paid by the Labor party for your campaign, I think it's legally bound that you declare it



hahah, are you kidding?

#23 Guest_**KM**_*

Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE
I was pointing out that often peoples mythology of a particular party does not reflect their history or actual policy. THAT is why I highlighted that Tony has pledged the money for mental health when that is really something people would have thought more of a labor style promise.


Yes I see your point, I don't think Labor or Libs stick to a certain philosophy, they both vote grab that is all.



#24 papilio

Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:44 PM

Like Shaboo, I work in the mental health field and it wouldn't make me vote Liberal.  Giving me 1.5 billion dollars wouldn't make me vote Liberal.

#25 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE
The devil is in the detail. His plan for $1.5b is over 4 years and is still only half of what is really required.


FUnny how this stuff gets played down.  Doesn't sound like quite so much now.  





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Special Ticket Offer, Save $8!

The Essential Baby & Toddler Show is back this April! Save $8 off the door price for a limited time only!

Finding baby name inspiration in unusual places

Sometimes the greatest baby name ideas come from the most unexpected places, as these EB members show.

The case for inducing at 37 weeks

While we often think of pregnancy as a 40 week affair, experts agree that 37 weeks is actually “full term". So is there an argument for inducing all births at 37 weeks?

Does controlled crying really work?

Controlled-crying techniques may help some babies sleep through the night, but for many exhausted new parents, it's just a recipe for more tears all round.

How I taught my infant to use a toilet

As people become more aware of these benefits, I hope more parents will practice this method, so we can cut down on nappies and improve baby bonding.

'I thought it was impossible': Emily Symons pregnant at 45

Aussie actress Emily Symons has announced she is pregnant with her first baby.

Shallow water blackout kills fit, healthy dad

A little girl will grow up without her father after the fit and healthy 34-year-old passed away while doing something he had practised his whole life.

Afternoon naps may be bad for toddlers' sleep

You could be doing yourself a disservice by encouraging your toddler to have an afternoon nap, according to new research.

Best gifts for newborns, new mums and christenings

We've compiled a guide to some of the most popular presents for newborns and new mums, and for christenings and naming days.

Jaime King to be a mum again

Actress Jaime King is pregnant with her second child, giving 16-month-old James a sibling.

Nannies should receive government funding

The Abbott government should extend funding to nannies, and direct childcare payments to low and middle income families, a landmark study on childcare has found. 

Common skin irritations in newborns (and how to treat them)

As many as one in two newborn babies suffer from skin irritations in their first few weeks. So what are the most common rashes and irritations to look out for?

10 wall decals for the nursery or playroom

Wall decals are the answer to creating a beautiful nursery or children's space without lifting a paint brush, a spirit level or even a hammer.

Preschooler walks 2.4km home alone

Three-year-old Cain Trainor headed off home after his first day at a new preschool without telling anyone.

Video: Why mums get nothing done

In spite of being in an almost constant state of motion while looking after the kids and trying to keep things together at home, it can seem as though parents have managed to get nothing on the to-do list done by the end of the day.

The middle name game

The middle name is no longer an afterthought, and parents' inspiration comes from many places.

Have a baby or your money back - but there's a catch

A new IVF scheme offers couples the chance to fall pregnant and give birth - or get their money back. But there's more to it than you might think.

A rare glimpse inside the womb

A baby born still inside the amniotic sac gave US doctors a rare glimpse at life inside the womb.

Battered mum forced to write to her attacker ex in jail

Three years ago Jason Hughes viciously attacked his ex-partner. Now she has to write to him three times a year.

Woman pleads not guilty to ultrasound scam

A West Australian woman will fight allegations that she scammed expectant mums by selling them fake ultrasound pictures of babies.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Brain damaged mum receives compensation

A Sydney mother who suffered brain damage when she was hit by a car while pushing her newborn baby in a pram has reached a confidential out-of-court settlement with the driver's insurance company.

Indigenous midwives break down the barriers

A culturally sensitive midwifery service has gained the trust and respect of Aboriginal women.

The Katering Show's next big delivery

Most mums-to-be plan to take things easy and perhaps have a little break from work as the birth of their baby draws near. Not Kate McCartney.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

Why I have mixed feelings about Cindy Crawford's leaked photo

Last week an un-retouched photo of model Cindy Crawford surfaced, showing the 48-year-old mother-of -two posing in underwear.

How to create a Peppa Pig pancake

Thought your toddler could not love pancakes any more than they already do? How about if the breakfast treat came in the shape of every two-year-old's favourite cartoon character?

'It's a little life, not a little loss': pregnancy after miscarriage

I thought I was never going to be able to have a successful pregnancy. I decided that I wasn't going to form an emotional attachment with this baby.

Bonds Baby Search 2015: what you need to know

February 18 marks the start of one of the most prolific annual baby competitions in Australia: the Bonds Baby Search. And this year is going to be more special than ever.

Who will manage your Facebook account when you're gone?

This is not something that people like to talk about, but Facebook has announced that it will grant users more control over what happens to their pages after they die.

Struggling mum of four wins $188 million

Mother of four Marie Holmes was financially struggling after quitting her jobs at Walmart and McDonald's in order to care for her children.

Pregnant obese women a 'relatively new problem', coroner hears

A first-time mother whose daughter died hours after her frightening birth insists she was never told of the risks of being obese and pregnant.

'I'm angry as hell': the story behind mum's passionate vaccination plea

She has labelled parents who do not vaccinate their children "misinformed imbeciles" - and for that, she makes no apologies.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

8 different kinds of tantrums

I never thought I’d say this, but for a brief moment last week, Kim Kardashian and I had something in common: both our kids had public tantrums.

Polycystic ovary syndrome: symptoms, treatment and your fertility

Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is the most common female hormonal condition, affecting roughly one in 12 Australian women.

What's the best position for giving birth?

If doing it on your back is out, what's the best position for labour and birth?

Wife forgives snake catcher husband for car surprise

With Valentine's Day coming up, Nat Gilbert could be forgiven for thinking her husband might be planning a surprise for her.

Kids who meet milestones at their own pace

We usually only hear the success stories: tales of the two-year-old who’s talking, running and completely toilet trained. But other stories need to be told too.

Ruby shines as Bonds Baby

Sarah Kiss has a word of advice for proud mums and dads who are keen to enter their babies in this year's Bonds Baby Search Competition - just have fun.

Why dads should go to sleep school

If your family needs to go to sleep school, go with them. You are part of that family and you are part of the solution.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

Clever breastfeeding products

Check out this range of products designed to help make your breastfeeding journey more enjoyable, manageable and convenient.

 

Win a KitchenAid Mixer

Let's celebrate 300,000 fans on Facebook

To celebrate, and to thank our amazing fans, we?re giving away a KitchenAid Artisan Tilt-Head Stand Mixer.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.