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#1 3littlemonkeys

Posted 21 March 2007 - 10:20 AM

Has anyone heard any further details regarding this? I heard on the radio this morning that the child was found in a dam and was 14 months old. This came I think they said 12 months after their 13 month old child was found drowned in a cattle trough.

I have had a look on news.com but they only give the headline, no further details. I can't remember the name of the Toowoomba paper to look online.

#2 Shell-and-Josh

Posted 21 March 2007 - 10:47 AM

your kidding they have lost two babies due to drowing in the last twelve months omg.. cry1.gif

#3 3littlemonkeys

Posted 21 March 2007 - 11:13 AM

I just found the story, her daughter drowned at 13 months in November 2004, their son drowned at 14 months yesterday.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0...63-3102,00.html

This poor family, how distraught they must be. My thougts and prayers are with them.

#4 Guest_Dark~Abyss_*

Posted 21 March 2007 - 12:00 PM

I have some thoughts on this but I dont want to start a debate or the thread to be closed so all I'm going to say is that its very very sad!!  sad.gif

#5 smoe

Posted 21 March 2007 - 04:35 PM

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I have some thoughts on this but I dont want to start a debate or the thread to be closed so all I'm going to say is that its very very sad!!


And I hate to say it, but I agree.

How very very sad, those poor little people. So so heart breaking

#6 Guest_triptic_*

Posted 21 March 2007 - 06:06 PM

I'm at a loss as to how this could happen twice.  Like PPs have said, I don't want to start a debate on this, but I'm sad...and I'm angry.

#7 JRA

Posted 21 March 2007 - 08:48 PM


How terrible. Those poor children. how heartbreaking

#8 lilone_

Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:06 PM

The poor children, loosing their life so young  cry1.gif
Heart breaking for those who love then

ETA sig taken down out of respect

Edited by lilone_, 21 March 2007 - 09:07 PM.


#9 PinK*StaR

Posted 21 March 2007 - 11:00 PM

I'm glad others said first, but I too will add that this is unbelievably sad!
Wonder if further details will be released, I haven't seen much regarding details  sad.gif

#10 Lucky Mama

Posted 22 March 2007 - 12:58 AM

I will also say how sad it is and I did cry when I heard the news tonight but as Kate has said I will leave my other thoughts so that this thread is not locked.

#11 =Magpie=

Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:23 AM

sad.gif Just awful............ mad.gif

#12 Guest_Heffalump_*

Posted 22 March 2007 - 07:24 AM

cry1.gif  cry1.gif

I hate to sound naive but why would the thread be locked for expressing and discussing a very real concern.

There does not need to be reference to this particular situation, but if what you are all saying is what I am thinking - it's a real illness and needs to be discussed, and people who are not aware need to be made aware.

A discussion like this could save lives. rant.gif

The only way that I can see that the thread is locked is if unfair accusations are made and it turns into a free-for-all sad.gif  sick.gif

Ok - off my soapbox having successfully squirmed out of putting a name to 'the issue' blush.gif

Edited by Heffalump, 22 March 2007 - 07:24 AM.


#13 ~Whintreleigh~

Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:12 AM

Stories like these break my heart...what could have been done to prevent this from happening...escpecially twice!? sad.gif

#14 JRA

Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:56 AM

What could be done?

There are inherent dangers living on a farm. The most obvious is dams/troughs.  

In suburbia you cannot have a pool that is not fenced VERY safely, the same rules don't apply to dams etc. Hence you need to be extra extra extra cautious.

My sisters had two dams within 50 mts of the house. One immediately beside the garden, (ie other side of a standard paddock fence), the other over two paddock fences. It means being extra, incredibly incredibly cautious.

#15 ~~~~!eternity!~~~~

Posted 22 March 2007 - 10:02 AM

My thoughts on hearing this were if I had lost a child to drowning then I would be super paranoid and vigorous in making sure that my other children knew of the dangers and were never in the situation where they may drown as well. I think I would be almost loopy with paranoia.

Edited by mumtowill, 22 March 2007 - 04:50 PM.


#16 Guest_triptic_*

Posted 22 March 2007 - 10:54 AM

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My thoughts on hearing this were if I had lost a child to drowning then I would be super, paranoid and vigorous in making sure that my other children knew of the dangers and were never in the situation where they may drown as well. I think I would be almost loopy with paranoia.

Completely agree!  That's why I can't get my head around it.

#17 Petrichor

Posted 22 March 2007 - 11:12 AM

Hi Christeenm,  the Toowoomba paper is called The Chronicle.

This is such a sad and tragic occurance.  Poor children.   sad.gif If it is genuine accidents then I feel deeply for the family.  I really don't know how you could cope with this.

#18 Guest_Dark~Abyss_*

Posted 22 March 2007 - 12:08 PM

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The only way that I can see that the thread is locked is if unfair accusations are made and it turns into a free-for-all


I just didnt want to come out and say what I thought about TWO of her children drowning at pretty much the SAME age and her finding them on both occasions!

The second drowning has only just happened and is being investigated thoroughly by the police from the sounds of it, so I dont want to go shooting my mouth off about what I think may have occurred and it turn out that its simply 2 tragic and devastating accidents that this poor family has had to deal with.

When the police finalise their report on what has happened and if there is any connection to the death of the 1st and 2nd  child and any mental illness the mother may have then I'd be happy to discuss it further in detail.

I just dont see any point in discussing what I think 'may' have happened until the police finish their investigations.

I really hope my suspicions are proven wrong though!!  sad.gif

#19 **Maroon6**

Posted 22 March 2007 - 01:07 PM

What a horror story. Those poor little babies. sad.gif

Surely there is only one Kathleen Folbigg in this world. Gee, I hope so!

#20 *~*ChristieLee*~*

Posted 22 March 2007 - 01:17 PM

I have also been thinking about this and just can't get it how it could happen TWICE!

We got rid of our fish pond and pool so there would be no possibility of DS drowning in them. We also have padlocked gates, so that DS can absolutely have no chance of "escape".

If you live on a farm you need to be even more careful.

Anyway I guess we will have to wait and see what comes of the investigations.

I feel incredibly sorry for the family and the babies though.

Christie

#21 Nut

Posted 22 March 2007 - 05:12 PM

Just thought I would pop my head in and thank you all for not turning this into 'casting of suspicions' session.

I do hope we can keep it that way... I know it's hard not to wonder and to discuss the theories is very tempting (as one does) but please keep up the efforts of just expressing sympathy original.gif

#22 Lu

Posted 23 March 2007 - 12:53 AM

I read it in the paper today, and the photo that they showed of her she didn't looked too distressed!  I would be an absolute basket case if just one of my boys drowned, let alone both of them, within a year.

Before reading this thread, I didn't think along the lines of that she may have done something. I did however think that by golly, if it's happened once already you would be super duper vigilant not to have it happen again.

In Qld dams are supposed to be fenced! It is part of the legislation for pool fencing. http://www.poolfencing.qld.gov.au/docs/Poo...ines.pdf#page=7  section 1.6 part c) ii)

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Dam or tank solely or principally used, or designed, manufactured or adapted to be solely principally used, for aquaculture, marine reseach or storage of water.


Also on the same page section 1.6 part a)
QUOTE
Swimming pool means an excavation or structure that is: Capable of being filled with water to a depth of 300mm or more.


Have a pond deeper that this in Qld is should be fenced!

#23 hannahbug

Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:19 AM

Toddler's family hits back

23.03.2007
By Nikkii Joyce

"IT could happen to anyone," the family of drowned toddler Lincoln Cooper said last night, hitting back at insinuations and speculation their double loss was anything but a terrible tragedy..

"You can't stand there and hold their hand, 24 hours a day. Could it (happen twice)? Absolutely, this could have happened to anyone," a family member said last night.

The 14-month-old's death on Tuesday afternoon has shattered the Cooper family, who have struggled for normality since losing Lincoln's older sister in similar heartbreaking circumstances in 2004.

Matilda too was just 14-months-old, when she drowned.



Lawrie and Janine, and their four children Samantha (17), Raelene (14), William (12) and Elizabeth (6) will get through it, according to the family member, minute by minute.

In a statement to The Chronicle last night, Mr and Mrs Cooper spoke of the little boy who loved adventures and was his father's constant shadow.

"Because of our earlier loss, Lincoln was very special to all of us  we as a family found great joy in his life," the statement read.

"Lincoln loved to go with dad to collect the mail and pick up the children from the school bus." Mr Cooper had gone to pick up the children from the school bus at the gate, while Mrs Cooper was doing the housework.

On their return, it was apparent Lincoln was missing, Mrs Cooper finding her son face up in the old bath tub used as a trough for the calves.

The grieving parents sent a special thank you last night to the paramedics, doctors and nurses and people in general, who had shown them support.

"They will get through it as best they can, it's twice as bad with the loss of Matilda, and it's even harder to go on, but they will take it minute by minute," the family member said.


I really feel sorry for this family but as another farming family it is rather difficult to fence water troughs for animals.  Kids will climb gates and be curious.  From all reports its a silly error of judgement.  Father thought Lincoln was with mum and vice versa.

The police will submit their investigations findings to the coroner as does with ALL CHILD deaths in QLD.  the family will go through the same investigations as parents would if their babies were SIDS victims.

#24 JRA

Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:24 AM

Yes, it is not possible to fence off troughs, it would make them impossible for the animals to get.

That is why it is just so important to have fences around the house and WATCH

It is a terrible tragedy

I grew up on a farm, and my sisters have property around their houses.

#25 hayleymumof3

Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:31 AM

I am wondering why after the death of the first child they didn't put fences up around the house so it didn't happen a second time.  Twice in the space of 12-18 months is just weird.




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