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#1 kit4keeps

Posted 11 March 2004 - 05:27 PM

I just don't know if I am over reacting on this one or not...I don't think I am,but ?
My daughter has show and tell at pre school every Thursday and the item can't be a toy or something valuable. So the first time she took a baby photo of herself 2nd time a dream catcher. This time she was staying at her fathers house and on Monday a boy up the road gave my daughter a dead bird to take for Thursday. When I was told about this I said i didn't think it was the right thing to take,besides the fact of how long the poor bird had been dead(phew!) Well ex told me that if others can take dead insects then why not a bird? Thinking that the pre school would agree with my point of view,I told ex to call them and ask. I didn't hear anymore about it until we picked Emily up from pre school today, and yes she had taken that bird ...with the pre shcools approval. Am I alone on this one or is this really sick?

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#2 ~Julia~

Posted 11 March 2004 - 05:48 PM

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that's just gross. I have always been an animal lover & would have been extremely upset if somebody had brought along a dead bird to school. In fact, I was waiting for them to demand I dissect an animal in secondary school but they didn't. I'd rather have been expelled than do that.

I am with you, no way would I have wanted a dead bird for show & tell, that is just awful.

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#3 brazen

Posted 11 March 2004 - 05:52 PM

can't wild birds have lice or something that's not good for people? i was always told not to touch wild birds, dead or alive.


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#4 Guest_pixiedeep_*

Posted 11 March 2004 - 05:53 PM

wow my first reaction was GROSS lol! It is kind of an odd thing to do but then kids just lurv to be grossed out don't they.... I teach a group of kids on fridays and we were outside and there was a dead bird and for the LIFE of me I could not get them away from it! They were fascinated...

I supposed death is a part of life - and as long as the hygiene of the situation was appropriate (i.e no one touched the bird and it wasn't crawling with maggots etc ewwww)

I imagine your DD was the hit of the class for the rest of the week though....!

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#5 Katherine77

Posted 11 March 2004 - 05:54 PM

No not alone, wouldn't be happy either!

I remember when my son was in preschool they incubated chicks.  Some died and the teachers explained to the children what had happened and showed them the chicks.  I think that was really good because sometimes bad things happen and kids need to know about life and death.

But taking a flipping dead bird to school for the happy time of show and tell??? a bit macabre.

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#6 Spark

Posted 11 March 2004 - 06:27 PM

a dead bird for show and tell, nope.

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#7 Guest_LyndaD_*

Posted 11 March 2004 - 07:20 PM

I agree, I would be way unimpressed & I would be talking to the pre-school involved...

Off on another show and tell tangent, my niece took her baby sister for show and tell once.......how cools that??    ;p

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#8 Guest_ShelleyBelly_*

Posted 11 March 2004 - 07:23 PM

feral feral feral, yuk yuk yuk. Kids would have loved it.... GROSS though, i wouldnt be impressed with pre-school. Serious health hazard.



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#9 -deb-

Posted 11 March 2004 - 07:25 PM

Playing devil's advocate - it was possibly a good way to learn about death and what it means.  I have trouble explaining to my nearly 3 yr old that when he takes a hammer to a snail or stamps on a bug that it's dead but if he could see something like a dead bird etc, it's possibly a good introduction to what death actually is.

Anyway, as I said, playing devil's advocate :-)

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#10 Guest_~Franny~_*

Posted 11 March 2004 - 07:41 PM

Oh get over it.

WHAT??? Ban visits to the zoo next? (never heard of "hands on")?

If it was a native bird, excellent. A quick lesson on life, death and  watching out for cars so YOU (dear pre-schooler), don't become roadkill yourself.

...maybe my perspective is diffferent cos I have boys?

This message was edited by ~Franny~ on Thursday, 11 March 2004 @ 8:44 PM

#11 karenmc

Posted 11 March 2004 - 08:15 PM

As someone else said, death is part of life, so i would have no problem with it.

As an aside, I usually ask DD to be 'quiet as a mouse' when she's going to bed, as she sleeps in the same room as her baby brother. Her version is 'quiet as a snail - a dead snail'!

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#12 kit4keeps

Posted 11 March 2004 - 08:22 PM

Thanks to you all for your input on this. I just wanted to add that I am very much for children learning about death(as it is part of life) I have no problem at all with my children looking at dead animals as we walk past one on the footpath or at a park. Or even if one turned up in the yard of the pre school,it would be of interest to the kids I am sure. But what is the first thing you tell your child when they come across a dead animal? Well for me it is "DON"T TOUCH!" I am glad that some other parents like my ex won't be so upset over their child going out and picking up another dead animal for show and tell next week. I am just not one of them.original.gif
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This message was edited by kit4keeps on Thursday, 11 March 2004 @ 9:46 PM

#13 Eileithyia

Posted 12 March 2004 - 12:28 AM

I remember when i was in yr 6 we arrived at school to find our classroom window broken. that morning one of the teachers had a dead magpie and made us all come up and touch it!! I am still not over it!! eww, fair enough explain death but making us touch it and see it, after knowing how it died whilst colliding with our class window, that isnt fun

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#14 Nicola67

Posted 12 March 2004 - 09:17 AM

Agree with children learning about death etc. but who knows how long that bird was dead. The issue with lice and maggots is what I would have a problem with particularly healthwise.  I was also told not to touch birds as they can be particularly unclean.   I'd only want it to happen if I was supervising the whole thing i.e. knew the state of the bird & no kids poking and proding the thing.

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#15 Jo

Posted 12 March 2004 - 05:37 PM

I don't think it is a bad thing for them to be learning about life and death.  But I don't think a dead bird is terribly hygenic!  Especially nbot a dead bird that was given to her on Monday and not taken in until Thursday.  Ewwwwwww.

Don't pity the teacher having to deal with the life/death questions that would have arisen.  I think that is something that kids need to learn about from parents myself - a teacher could not even tell them about the bird going to Heaven, because not every child in the class can be assumed to be of a background with the same beliefs.

Not on to take in a bird that long dead.

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#16 Smurtle the Turtle

Posted 12 March 2004 - 06:28 PM

I'm for the whole teaching about life and death too, but bringing in a dead bird could have been extremely traumatic for some of the children.  Death is such a deeply personal thing even the death of an animal.  I certainly would be complaining to the school if my child came home and told me that another child bought a death animal to school.

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#17 Spark

Posted 12 March 2004 - 08:31 PM

" Oh get over it.

WHAT??? Ban visits to the zoo next? (never heard of "hands on")?


Animals at the zoo tend to be alive.

The whole "teaching kids about death" with a dead bird doesn't work for me.  Sure it can be a learning tool.  But the bird was dead for at least four days (maybe longer?) so the issue there for me is stuff like lice and maggots and whatever else.

I also think taking a dead animal to school can be pretty bad for some children.  My uncle's stepdaughter was traumatised when she saw a dead bird  in their garden, so shoving a dead animal at a child and expecting them to get an insight in to death that way doesn't always work for every child.  Some kids are fascinated, some are upset by it.  The school should have taken that in to consideration.

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This message was edited by Spark on Friday, 12 March 2004 @ 9:31 PM

#18 kit4keeps

Posted 12 March 2004 - 08:35 PM

WTG! spark...I couldn't have put it better myself original.gif

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#19 Guest_Nikita_*

Posted 12 March 2004 - 08:45 PM

I tend to agree that taking a dead bird for show and tell isn't a good idea - we recently had an incident at school where a dead rabbit had been flung up into a tree in full view of any student who came into school early that morning and luckily our GA removed it before too many children had seen it. Even so it was the big gossip around school for the week afterwards.

Whenever our cats pull a slow moving bird down (they both have bells and are kept indoors at night - the birds they've caught would be less than 10 in the 5 years we've had them and they've never caught a native bird) our children are devastated and chastise the cats for killing the bird so I think it's reasonable to suggest that seeing a dead bird is upsetting for many children.

Having said all that though I'm sure the way in which the teacher at the preschool dealt with it helped the children understand that death is part of life and it probably wasn't taken too badly by the sounds of it and if it was you can always say that it was your ex's idea original.gif

#20 Bazza_mck

Posted 13 March 2004 - 10:17 PM

Have to say it wouldn't worry me. Any of the kinders and schools we have been at have been very conscious of dealing with things like this responsibly. My kids are not morbid freaks but they are interested in almost everything so a dead bird would have been just another of those things. Context and timing are probably the issues here.

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#21 Guest_Jadegal_*

Posted 13 March 2004 - 10:27 PM

The only thing I can see as seriously wrong with it (besides it being a little morbid!).. is birds carry worms, lice, and in general are pretty grubby...

I would be bathing her in detol and disinfecting everything that came in contact with that bird lol..

I would get some lice shampoo and combantrum on hand just in case!! lol original.gif

As Brazen said.. its not good to touch wild birds dead or alive.. and if you do wash hands immediately....!! eek!

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