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#1 People

Posted 09 April 2020 - 08:56 AM

https://www.abc.net....ncerns/12133694

Interesting read this morning about the oppositions opinions on Victoria's shut down restrictions. The lack of scrutiny of government decision is also particularly worrying I think.

The three crossbenchers also raised concerns that there were no future sittings of Parliament scheduled due to coronavirus, and there was no way to raise concerns with the Government or question their actions.

"We are pushing for some form of scrutiny to exist because not having Parliament run, with extraordinary spending and no scrutiny, it's dangerous," Mr Limbrick said.


#2 Amica

Posted 09 April 2020 - 09:02 AM

I said it in another post yesterday, but I watched Anthony Albanese in parliament on the ABC yesterday.

He was saying he wanted to be known as the Labor Leader, not the opposition leader, and even though they had serious concerns about the 1 billion in spending, that he said would saddle the next generation with crippling unpayable debt, he and his party were going to pass the governments package through unopposed, even if their recommended amendments were not met. Of course, their amendments we not going to be met.

We have no opposition and therefore no scrutiny, and no accountability,

ETA - 1 trillion, not 1 billion

Edited by Amica, 09 April 2020 - 09:18 AM.


#3 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 09 April 2020 - 09:15 AM

no scrutiny, no accountability - the populace is silenced because gathering together to protest is illegal. it’s a very dangerous situation.


#4 can'tstayaway

Posted 09 April 2020 - 10:36 AM

I have been critical of the government but I’m not overly worried about moving to a police state (yet).

There is scrutiny because every person and their dog has an opinion. We live in an age of easy access of information and communication thanks to technology.

There will be accountability. Maybe not right now, but when this is over there will be many people going over the decisions made and how they came to those decisions. Just look at the Ruby Princess debacle - those involved are ready to point the finger and throw the next person into hot water. The idiot who allowed this to occur was probably hoping it could be swept under the carpet during this pandemic but we are not allowing it to happen. We want answers, the media wants clicks so will keep pursuing it. The opposition will be investigating in the background.

There is no hiding when everyone is invested in this. There’s not a single person in Australia not affected even if they don’t know anyone infected with the virus.

I do think the government should be more transparent. They are more likely to be forgiven for making a bad call if they are transparent at the time, about the information they have to base decisions on than if they try to rewrite history.  

We have bought ourselves some time and the smart thing for the government to do will be to be more inclusive and consult more widely before the next lot of decisions need to be made.

I found this article on modelling to be interesting

https://theconversat...rictions-135832

#5 BadCat

Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:04 AM

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Edited by BadCat, 11 May 2020 - 08:57 PM.


#6 lizzzard

Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:00 PM

I am not critical of the fact that there are inconsistencies and flaws in the government’s policies so far. Everyone is trying to figure things out and make decisions in record speed, under immense pressure. We can’t expect first time perfection and to do so is dangerous on many levels.

However it is vital that the government is open to hearing feedback and making appropriate adjustments. That’s one of the differences between democratic systems and totalitarian regimes.

#7 CallMeFeral

Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:26 PM

I have mixed feelings. I think one of the times a police state IS helpful is in a crisis where fast action needs to be taken without beaurocracy faffing around. I've lived in a well run pretty much police state and because the leadership were trustworthy, it was pretty great.
Flipside, I don't trust this leadership.

I would like accountability, but I think maybe I'm ok with it just being the threat of accountability later to keep them in line.

#8 rosie28

Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:58 PM

There are several groups of lawyers mobilising to keep track of the legislative changes, police actions etc. Pro bono activities have ramped up and while I hardly think the lawyers will save us (and I am one), I do find it comforting that a great many people are monitoring the situation.

#9 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 09 April 2020 - 01:24 PM

View Postrosie28, on 09 April 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

There are several groups of lawyers mobilising to keep track of the legislative changes, police actions etc. Pro bono activities have ramped up and while I hardly think the lawyers will save us (and I am one), I do find it comforting that a great many people are monitoring the situation.

that’s good to know. some of the stuff i am reading is indicating an appalling abuse of power...ankle bracelets in WA, a window cleaner being fined - a homeless guy being fined.


#10 wallofdodo

Posted 09 April 2020 - 02:41 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 09 April 2020 - 01:24 PM, said:

that’s good to know. some of the stuff i am reading is indicating an appalling abuse of power...ankle bracelets in WA, a window cleaner being fined - a homeless guy being fined.

I read something this morning about the number of indigenous people being fined is way out of whack.

#11 EsmeLennox

Posted 09 April 2020 - 02:49 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 09 April 2020 - 01:24 PM, said:

ankle bracelets in WA

I don't really consider this one an abuse of power. These are only (as far as I am aware) being used for people who refuse to follow instructions to quarantine or isolate. So it'll only  happen if you're caught out and about when you've been specifically directed to not do that. If it were a more wide-spread application I'd be horrified.

https://www.abc.net....acking/12104286

#12 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 09 April 2020 - 02:55 PM

let’s wait and see if it disproportionately targets a certain class of people though. if i were a betting person, i’d put money on it. hopefully i’m wrong, but - i wouldn’t be surprised.

Edited by Lucrezia Bauble, 09 April 2020 - 02:56 PM.





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