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#1 Tokra

Posted 27 February 2020 - 11:23 AM

*TRIGGER WARNING*

ETA - I keep getting an error when trying to post. I'm going to keep trying cos I need to add a trigger warning.


Hi all, if there is a thread on this already - let me know. I didn't see one and I just needed to talk about it.

When I initially thought about this case, I assumed it was a case of the poor boy being forgotten in a bus with lots of other kids. But it seems it is much worse.

If this news story is to be believed even just a little bit - then what happened is much worse.

https://7news.com.au...ned-in-c-716477

It seems that the poor boy was signed in hours before the mum called for him to be picked it up. The mother called for him to be picked up. The two staff members (male and female) went to pick up the little boy. He was the only child in the minivan and was seated 2 rows behind the driver seat.

When they arrived at the centre the two adults got out of the minivan and went inside, without the little boy. Then during the day the male driver was in the minivan 2 more times to drive to various places. He supposedly did not see the little boy a mere 2 rows behind him, in a car seat (I think).

This is just horrible. All I keep thinking is - how? How could this happen?

I really feel for this poor family. That poor boy would have suffered greatly.

ETA - I keep getting an error when trying to post. I'm going to keep trying cos I need to add a trigger warning.

Edited by Tokra, 27 February 2020 - 11:37 AM.


#2 Anon wife

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:22 PM

Absolutely horrendous and heartbreaking.  I am struggling with the managers words 'my whole life is over', when this poor child hasn't even begun his life. I cannot even begin to imagine how this poor child's parents feel.

#3 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:30 PM

It’s terrible. Much like you I tried to keep an open mind but as the details rolled out I was like wtf!!

To make a special trip to get the kid then leave him in the bus is all kinds of ****ed up.

It’s not the first time it’s happened at this centre either, luckily it wasn’t bad last time and they were meant to put things in place so it never happened again.

#4 Hands Up

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:32 PM

I’ve been reading about it everyday. The only thing I can hope for is that in the Cairns heat the poor baby didn’t suffer for too long. I’m so angry at these people. The centre is clearly on the make, taking advantage of those who are disadvantaged. They must have known they left the boy in the bus? I can’t understand it.

#5 Soontobegran

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:36 PM

I do not understand how. just two rows behind......it just doesn't seem feasible and it is just so so tragic.

The 000 call was not a good look for the guy, I am glad they have been charged.

#6 seayork2002

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:37 PM

If he was signed in why did the childcare not wonder where he was?

#7 Lifesgood

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:39 PM

It's the kind of story that makes my blood run cold. And this one feels like there is a piece of the story missing - it just doesn't add up.

#8 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:42 PM

There was some on the ground rumours at the beginning - not sure how true they are but they do make the story seem more plausible.

But they are just rumours and nothing that has confirmed.

#9 purplekitty

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:43 PM

I just can't get my head around the story at all.

#10 Soontobegran

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:45 PM

View Postseayork2002, on 27 February 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

If he was signed in why did the childcare not wonder where he was?
It seems signing in was regularly done even before children were picked up to ensure maximum rebates for parents. I did hear this in an interview.

#11 purplekitty

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:46 PM

View PostSoontobegran, on 27 February 2020 - 07:45 PM, said:

It seems signing in was regularly done even before children were picked up to ensure maximum rebates for parents. I did hear this in an interview.
That is under investigation for fraud.

#12 Lyra

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:47 PM

I simply cannot comprehend how this can happen. I really can't. He was the only kid they picked up!

Years ago when I was a new teacher another teacher left a child behind on an excursion and no-one noticed for about 45 minutes! Every single time I go on an excursion now I count kids going on to the bus, coming off the bus, randomly during the excursion and then I double check there is no-one left on the bus! I don't even trust my own count. I get laughed at by my colleagues but I am NOT going to be that person who leaves a kid behind!

Maybe this needs to be policy: there must be a designated staff member who supervises the kids off the bus while another checks each and every seat.

What those parents are going through is the worst thing ever. I feel for them.

#13 PrincessPeach

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:58 PM

y

View PostLifesgood, on 27 February 2020 - 07:39 PM, said:

It's the kind of story that makes my blood run cold. And this one feels like there is a piece of the story missing - it just doesn't add up.

Same here.

How can you forget a kid when you made a specific trip?

#14 WaitForMe

Posted 27 February 2020 - 07:59 PM

I feel like childcare centres in general are failing at recognising when children are absent.

I've read a few stories on here about kids being left behind at school when oshc is off site. Then theres parents that accidentally drive straight to work and leave a child in the back seat. And then this.

My childcare centre is otherwise pretty attentive but they never notify me when I fail to drop off my child and forget to inform them. I get a text within about 15mins of school starting if I do the same there.

#15 Soontobegran

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:02 PM

At first I thought I would give the benefit of the doubt thinking it was tragic accident caused by over tired, over worked etc but then it became clear he had one job.

#16 MadMarchMasterchef

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:05 PM

I just cant fathom how that could happen.

What happened at that centre previously?   I had a quick google but couldn't find it.

#17 retemac

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:06 PM

View PostPrincessPeach, on 27 February 2020 - 07:58 PM, said:

y

Same here.

How can you forget a kid when you made a specific trip?


When I read that I just assumed that the two staff members were having an affair. I mean why would you need two staff members to pick one kid up.

This whole thing has really upset me, I keep thinking about that poor little boy and how alone and distressed he would have been.

#18 MadMarchMasterchef

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:08 PM

View PostWaitForMe, on 27 February 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:


My childcare centre is otherwise pretty attentive but they never notify me when I fail to drop off my child and forget to inform them. I get a text within about 15mins of school starting if I do the same there.

I wish that were law for both childcares and schools.  I know its more work for them but it might reduce the risk of a kid being left in a car.

#19 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:11 PM

View PostBacktoschoolchef, on 27 February 2020 - 08:08 PM, said:

I wish that were law for both childcares and schools.  I know its more work for them but it might reduce the risk of a kid being left in a car.

It is law in QLD for schools... has been for a coupe of years now, it happened after the Tiahleigh Palmer case.

#20 FeralRebelWClaws

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:21 PM

View Postretemac, on 27 February 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:

When I read that I just assumed that the two staff members were having an affair. I mean why would you need two staff members to pick one kid up.
Apparently she was a casual that only started a month before? That doesn't mean she isn't the managers girlfriend or something though.

Hits a little too close to home having a 3 year old boy.

Weirdly my son is paranoid about us not forgetting him and he has never been left in the car for any longer than it takes for us to get out of the drivers seat and open the door and unclip him. Every time you stop the car to get out, he calls out "don't forget me Mumma!" Kind of makes me glad he's paranoid about it!

#21 FeralRebelWClaws

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:23 PM

View Post~Jolly_F~, on 27 February 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

It is law in QLD for schools... has been for a coupe of years now, it happened after the Tiahleigh Palmer case.

I've always done head counts on and off buses (as well as before leaving any excursion venue) and I've been teaching for 13 years.

#22 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:27 PM

View PostFeralRebelWClaws, on 27 February 2020 - 08:23 PM, said:



I've always done head counts on and off buses (as well as before leaving any excursion venue) and I've been teaching for 13 years.

I was referring specifically to being notified of kids not being at school, which is a newer requirement for Qld schools.

But my mum said the same as you - counting on and off bus and when leaving and arriving places and she has been working in schools for almost as many years as I have been alive, which is a lot of years.

Edited by ~Jolly_F~, 27 February 2020 - 08:28 PM.


#23 FeralRebelWClaws

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:31 PM

View Post~Jolly_F~, on 27 February 2020 - 08:27 PM, said:

I was referring specifically to being notified of kids not being at school, which is a newer requirement for Qld schools.

ahh ok! I now teach year 11 and 12 only and we don't notify if classes have been missed until the end of the day (and sometimes it's longer). But we do have instances of parents contacting the school where there are significant mental health issues and parents are concerned. We do keep a close eye on kids with known mental health issues, especially if they have safety plans.

#24 Jersey Caramel

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:36 PM

I do feel terribly sympathetic for parents who tragically forget babies in the car - usually because of sleep deprivation,  change in routine,  mix ups with who was with who etc. But 2 people who had one job to do... and who were gaming the sign in system that is presumably supposed to keep children safe from this kind of thing...just unpardonable.

#25 amaza

Posted 27 February 2020 - 08:37 PM

View Postretemac, on 27 February 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:




When I read that I just assumed that the two staff members were having an affair. I mean why would you need two staff members to pick one kid up.

This whole thing has really upset me, I keep thinking about that poor little boy and how alone and distressed he would have been.

I assumed there was a duty of care factor in that (ha)? 2 workers need to be with a minor for child protection reasons? Maybe not. In this case it didn't work anyway. I can't think of any reason you would pick up one child specifically and then forget them when you got back to the centre. It just doesn't make sense.




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