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#1 Cimbom

Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:21 AM

The results from Iowa will be in tomorrow morning our time. The latest poll I’ve seen puts Bernie just ahead of Biden. Really hope he can take it and build a bit more momentum going into the next few weeks. It’s really heartening to see his increasing popularity despite all the criticism he initially received as being “unrealistic” and “too far left”. Anyone else following along?

#2 Ozquoll

Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:53 AM

It's in my peripheral vision at least. The Clinton-dominated DNC obviously doesn't want a Sanders nomination, which makes it rather difficult for him 🤔.

#3 Cimbom

Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:31 AM

Yes I’ve noticed the media coverage is very skewed too. He is ahead on all polls from 2 February but the media coverage doesn’t really reflect this.

#4 purplekitty

Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:33 AM

Sanders is not a Democrat AFAIK.

I see the Bernie Bros are trying to tank the 2020 election again if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.

#5 Murderino

Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:49 AM

View PostCimbom, on 03 February 2020 - 10:31 AM, said:

Yes I’ve noticed the media coverage is very skewed too. He is ahead on all polls from 2 February but the media coverage doesn’t really reflect this.

One network listed the results of a poll and the larger percentage in that poll was marked as “Other”, the rest had candidate names. “Other” was Sanders!

#6 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:51 AM

my interest is waning. if i thought any of them had a hope against Trump i might be more interested, but, sadly, i am convinced Trump will be re-elected so, it all seems moot.


#7 Cimbom

Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:52 AM

View PostMurderino, on 03 February 2020 - 11:49 AM, said:



One network listed the results of a poll and the larger percentage in that poll was marked as “Other”, the rest had candidate names. “Other” was Sanders!

Yep I posted this in the US politics thread. They don’t even attempt to hide their bias :lol:

#8 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 February 2020 - 12:00 PM

i thought Bernie did run as a democrat in 2016 but is now an Independent.


#9 Ozquoll

Posted 03 February 2020 - 12:18 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 03 February 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

i thought Bernie did run as a democrat in 2016 but is now an Independent.
He holds his Senate seat as an independent, but runs for president as a Democrat. Makes sense, third party candidates have no chance in the US electoral system. A bit like here, sadly 😕

#10 purplekitty

Posted 03 February 2020 - 05:33 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 03 February 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

i thought Bernie did run as a democrat in 2016 but is now an Independent.
Democrat when it suits to access the organisation of the DP.
It seems he signed  loyalty pledge.
I'd still like to know his medical history.

https://www.nbcnews....ocratic-n979696

#11 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:45 AM

The results should start coming in just over an hour

#12 Lunafreya

Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:51 AM

I hope Bernie gets it

But if he does the GOP might riot

I used to be excited about US elections, but now I’m just depressed

#13 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 10:02 AM

This is the first time I’m genuinely looking forward to one. After all the discussions of the need to “be realistic” both here and overseas, it’s great to see a genuine alternative candidate get to the stage where they lead the polls

#14 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:10 PM

1% of first alignment results are counted. Bernie is leading with 21.5% interestingly followed by Buttigieg on 19.3%. The AP website is showing live results for those interested.

#15 (feral)epg

Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:22 PM

I'm imagining a Bernie / AOC ticket - wow that would shake things up a bit!!  Followed by rapid falls of conservative governments especially in UK and Australia.

Might as well wish for a unicorn to pop in and clean my house today.

#16 Nasty Bunsen

Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:32 PM

AOC is too young to be president, I’m assuming the same rule applies to VP?

I’m hoping Biden drops out soon and Warren keeps going, she’s the most impressive, although I prefer Bernie on policy, his health and the Bernie bro’s put me off.

#17 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:50 PM

I’m pretty sure the rules are the same for VP

#18 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 01:58 PM

Of course the counting is now delayed when the preferred candidate isn’t winning and Biden is ranked fifth in the first alignment results so far. I don’t buy the technical issues line personally

#19 Cimbom

Posted 04 February 2020 - 04:33 PM

https://mobile.twitt...578448250765312

Bernie came prepared this time around :clap:

Edited by Cimbom, 04 February 2020 - 04:33 PM.


#20 #notallcats

Posted 04 February 2020 - 08:37 PM

I love Bernie, and have loved him to win the last election but he's a 78 years old...very left leaning.  I would love for him to be POTUS but I doubt it's going to happen.  It could have happened last election when it was Sanders vs Trump but not when the Democrats were completely tone deaf to Hillary Clinton, and certainly not now.  It would honestly take a miracle.  I think we have to resign ourselves to another four years of Trump.

#21 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 04 February 2020 - 08:54 PM

he’ll attract the left of the Dems who were always going to vote for him anyway, and were certainly never going to vote Republican. he won’t shift the centre or the swingers - he’s too left. so nothing will change and yeh, we’ll get more Trump. not a great result.


#22 Cimbom

Posted 06 February 2020 - 12:08 PM

I’m confident it’ll happen. The behaviour of the Democratic Party establishment is only going to bolster his popularity I think. Their drip feeding of the results is getting ridiculous now with the latest results (put out just now) being 92% of the vote. I bet they’ll make everyone wait until tomorrow rather than releasing the full results today.

https://elections.ap.../P/raceid/17278

Current projections have Bernie on track to win every state except South Carolina and Alabama.

#23 KittyTsui

Posted 06 February 2020 - 12:23 PM

Hard one for the DNC. US elections largely turn on two things:
  • activating the party 'base' (turn-out) and

  • winning the electoral college (aka gerrymander, just ask Hillary)
In contrast, in Australia it was about winning the fairly large swing vote, at least in key 'battle ground' seats (looking at you, Queensland and Western Sydney ;) )

So for the DNC, Bernie is a problem. He'd activate a large part of the base, but probably turn off more of the Democrat base than he'd attract from swing voters. He is also unlikely to get support in key states, because you know, unemployed disadvantaged white folk in the US vote against their own interests on a depressingly regular basis :(

Pete Buttigieg is a bit of a dark horse. Being gay, not necessarily a NET vote winner in the US, but does allow a degree of 'I understand' moments when reaching out to various groups who feel discriminated against (real or imagined).

Biden - too old, to establishment in an era when that is not a good thing. He'd get a lot of the base out, and might get more swing voters out, but he can't win where he needs to to beat Trump INMHO.

Elizabeth Warren would be my personal choice. Being rich is not a negative in US elections, and it'd mean any attempt to paint her as being rich and out of touch by team Trump would - outside the Fox news fanatics - be seen for what it is, and laughed at. Being a women is not a net vote winner or loser across the US as whole, hard to tell if it would help or hinder in key battle ground states.

Personally, if it were me, I'd go a Warren / Andrew Yang Warren / Sanders. Buttigieg and Yang/Warren in a pinch.

I think those combos, if worked carefully, can blunt Trump's appeal to certain swing voters and - more importantly - get enough of the Democrat base out in enough places to carry the day.

We shall wait and see! :D

Edit to add: of course, none of the above seems to loom large in the thinking of people voting in the primary contests, but clearly the DNC itself thinks about these things.

Edited by KittyTsui, 06 February 2020 - 01:13 PM.


#24 Cimbom

Posted 06 February 2020 - 12:38 PM

I don’t mind Yang and Warren though I think a joint ticket with Bernie and the latter may not happen now, though who knows tbh. It’d be great to see Yang in Bernie’s cabinet (if not as VP) particularly with a portfolio related to science, technology and innovation. He would do great I think.

The polls for New Hampshire show Bernie to be getting twice the votes of his closest competitor which is positive.

Edited by Cimbom, 06 February 2020 - 12:39 PM.


#25 #notallcats

Posted 06 February 2020 - 01:25 PM

It's only a positive if you think Bernie Sanders can win the election, which I just don't.  Americans are completely weird about socialism,  gun rights,  private health....  Bernie won't win over any Reps and will probably turn away plenty of Democrats too.  I like Elizabeth Warren but I don't think they'd vote for a woman, I honestly think their best chance is with Biden, and that's a small chance.  

Lots of people are happy with Trump, the impeachment was a mistake and was never going to be proven, and it's just gotten people off side.  Perhaps I'm just jaded but after Trump's election, I have little hope of anyone like Bernie or a woman getting to be the next POTUS.




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