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#1 MumOfFun

Posted 22 January 2020 - 12:22 PM

Hi all.
Just found out I’m pregnant with No.2.  
Just wondering if the brains might be able to help.
I returned to work back in August. I’m a massage therapist and Pilates instructor.
I work at a large clinic and have 1 regular class per week and 2 massage appointments so 3 hours all up but the appointments don’t always fill. I have also done some fill in instructing so some weeks I worked 7 hours at the clinic. I will most likely start another day with maybe 1 permanent class and another 2 treatments. At home I work 1 day a week and am available from between 10am and 5pm on that day for massages. I think since starting back at work I have treated on average 2-3 clients per week but I don’t really understand what is classed as work when at home. The total hours I’m available? Or just the time I spend with my clients even though I have to wash towels write notes have discussions with the clients re their treatments. Set up massage room and clean at end of the day. So while I might only be averaging 2-3 hours hands on I’m doing far more per week.
Also to meet the work test the 330 hour can that be over the entire 13 months or does it have to be just in 10 months? Because changes the average hours per week by quite a bit. So for emails if I’m due 30th sept 2020’ and work every week from the 4th sept 2019 and work right up until 4 weeks before the baby is born then I would have work around 27.5 hours a month but if it’s just 10 months then it’s 33hours per month.
Its all so confusing.
I’m asking here because I really don’t want to be on hold for ages just to find out and you can’t email. I tried sending a message through Facebook but I’m not sure that worked

#2 Jersey Caramel

Posted 22 January 2020 - 12:54 PM

It's 330 hours in the 10 month period, but the 10 months can be 10 out of the 13 months before baby is born (if you take a period of leave in the middle for example).

For the day that you are self employed at home,  you should count all the hours you work on your business - not just client contact hours. Paperwork,  accounting,  washing towels,  making appointments,  banking, cleaning the equipment etc are all part of your business and count as work.

Good luck working it all out!

#3 MumOfFun

Posted 22 January 2020 - 01:20 PM

 Jersey Caramel, on 22 January 2020 - 12:54 PM, said:

It's 330 hours in the 10 month period, but the 10 months can be 10 out of the 13 months before baby is born (if you take a period of leave in the middle for example).

Thanks for your reply. This still leaves me a little confused. I understand that I can take a period of leave off during the 13 months but I’m trying to work out if say I don’t take time off what my weekly or monthly average hours would need to be. Does the 330 count for the entire 13 months or only 10 of those months?
So say for example someone worked an average of 25.4 hours per month from from the 13 months, with no time off, before the baby is born and works right up until the day before the baby is born are they still eligible for PPL because they work 330 hours in that 13 month period. Or because in they didn’t work 330 hour in a period of 10 months or less are they ineligible?

i hope that makes sense.
I just trying to work out how many hours I should aim for per week. Because I only work part time I’m unlikely to have many weeks off. So I need to know if all the weeks in the 13 month period can count towards the work test or not. That way if I work out how many hours I have worked so far an subtract to work out what the bare minimum I would need to work to meet the test would be and aim to work more than that.

in regards to my self employment. Since I make myself available from 10-5 each Friday do think think I could include all those hours minus a lunch break? And if I have a fully booked day include some extra time?

#4 Jersey Caramel

Posted 22 January 2020 - 04:07 PM

Yes I get what you're asking,  and I think it's only work done in the 10 month period that can count. I'd guess you can pick which 10 months (i.e. the ones with the most work hours) but it is "330 hours in that 10 month period" (see 2nd  bullet point https://www.humanser...rk-requirements)

Edited by Jersey Caramel, 22 January 2020 - 04:08 PM.

#5 MumOfFun

Posted 22 January 2020 - 05:12 PM

Yeah I had read that. And I re read and re read only because I was like if you work all for the 13 months how do they choose which months count in the 10 months. To me I think it’s stupid because if you work 330 hour in 10 months and then have the 12 weeks off unpaid then you have worked the same as someone who has worked the 330 over the entire 13 month period.

Thanks for your reply. I might have to contact Centrelink to clarify. I’m going to aim to work more than I need but I don’t want to have to stress if I don’t fill all my appointments.

#6 SplashingRainbows

Posted 22 January 2020 - 05:20 PM

It’s clear on this website


You need to work for 10 months in the 13 months prior to the baby coming.

In that 10 months, you need to have done 330 hours.

It is explicit that the 330 hours must be done in the 10 months.

#7 SplashingRainbows

Posted 22 January 2020 - 05:29 PM

This also might make it clearer
They don’t care which 295 consecutive days you do the work as long as it’s within the 13 months.


#8 MumOfFun

Posted 22 January 2020 - 06:40 PM

Ahh so I can’t say I want to count months 1-6 and then months 9-13 it has to be consecutive. Well that would such if you lost a job and couldn’t find work for 8-12 weeks. And we’re only working 8 hours per week in both those jobs.

#9 Lou-bags

Posted 22 January 2020 - 08:38 PM

You can have a gap of up to 12 weeks between work days.


#10 SplashingRainbows

Posted 22 January 2020 - 08:45 PM

that test is for a different element of the rules. It has nothing to do with the requirement that you work 330 hours in 295 consecutive days.

ETA the rules also say you can’t have more than a 12 week gap in your employment. A different element completely.
It is not saying you can choose 5 months of hours, have a 3 month gap then pick another 5 weeks of hours.

Edited by SplashingRainbows, 22 January 2020 - 08:46 PM.

#11 Lou-bags

Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:32 PM

I was responding to post immediately before mine- about someone losing a job and taking some time to find a new one...

But also, that’s not my reading of it at all? You can have a gap of up to 3 months even if you don’t change employer.

Or are you meaning you can’t chose which months count towards your hours?

#12 MumOfFun

Posted 23 January 2020 - 06:57 AM

Lou-Bags what Splashing Rainbows is day is that yes you can have a gap of up to 12 weeks but the 330 hours has to within a 295 consecutive day period. So if you work only 8 hours per week prior to the 12 week break you would need to work more hours per week to make 330 in a 295 consecutive day period.

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