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Difference between catholic, high Anglican, low Anglican etc.


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#1 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:06 PM

Can someone explain this to me in “for dummy” terminology?

ETA, I am reasonably familiar with what Catholics believe and have been to an Anglican service this morning that seems to really be at odds with everything I’m reading about what Anglicans do believe and do. I am in Sydney and other than not having a flashy stage, i felt like I could have been at Hillsong. It felt very American tele-evangelist to me.

Edited by Riotproof, 29 December 2019 - 06:43 PM.


#2 *Ker*

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:42 PM

I haven't heard of high and low Anglican. But Anglican is church of England religion, catholic is catholic. Slightly different beliefs.

#3 luke's mummu

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:46 PM

High Anglican is a bit more traditional and leaning towards Catholic- priests wear robes, honour saints and may have chants/ oils etc. low Anglican is more modern and learning towards Presbyterian- ministers in suits or shirt/tie, very little mention of saints, no oils, chants etc

Edited by luke's mummu, 29 December 2019 - 07:00 PM.


#4 Froyohoho

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:46 PM

I went to both high and low Anglican church services as a kid. High was very similar to Catholic traditions and rituals. Low was much more like the progressive Uniting church I grew up in.

#5 luke's mummu

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:47 PM

Sydney Anglican churches are generally low Anglican- that’s what made you feel like Hillsong! There are a few high Anglican- st James in the city is the only one I can think of off- hand

#6 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:49 PM

all i know is that catholics cross themselves, and the protos (me) tack on a bit to the end of the Lord’s prayer - which, when said out loud at a catholic requiem mass makes everyone turn around and glare at you like you are the closet protestant in Bloody Mary’s court.


#7 luke's mummu

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:52 PM

If you google “ sydney anglocatholics” you can get a list of all the high Anglican churches in sydney. There’s quite a few I didn’t know about.

#8 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:54 PM

Thank you for your replies.

It felt very divisive to me, all about us and them; believers of Christ and non believers,  and much less focused on social justice than the Catholic Churches I’ve experienced. There was a lot of me, me, me.

No Lord’s Prayer. No reciting of prayers at all but the congregation. It was an hour of being spoken at with small snippets of a band performance.

#9 tily

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:57 PM

Sydney Anglican is a bit different to other dioceses. Much more Hillsongy.

#10 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 29 December 2019 - 06:59 PM

View PostRiotproof, on 29 December 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Thank you for your replies.

It felt very divisive to me, all about us and them; believers of Christ and non believers,  and much less focused on social justice than the Catholic Churches I’ve experienced. There was a lot of me, me, me.

No Lord’s Prayer. No reciting of prayers at all but the congregation. It was an hour of being spoken at with small snippets of a band performance.

hmmm ok - that sounds very similar to the Presbyterian sermons of my youth ...not anglicans i guess per se but very low church. it was very focussed on the “nobody gets to Heaven EXCEPT THROUGH ME” aspect of scripture (not very inclusive) and the rest of the stuff was like in a court of law arguing the case for christ. very weird.

i wonder if it’s an individual minister thing? Rod Bower does some amazing stuff....i’ve listened to a sermon at St. Andrews Cathedral and it was all about “the gift of hope in the baby jesus” - a bit abstract but it was *ok* - the catholic masses i have been to have largely been weddings, funerals  and christenings - so, the theme is kind of influenced by that.


#11 seayork2002

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:02 PM

I have assisted in high Anglican church services (many many years ago) and not much different to normal Anglican to me.

I believe they allow women into the church high Anglican church where they don't in Catholic (from memory only! so happy to stand corrected)

#12 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:04 PM

Lb, I think maybe this is it.

There’s less room for personality in a catholic mass, It’s more about structure, so much so that after more than twenty years I still hear it in my head once I get there. The homily is an opinion, but it’s generally a short part, and even so, the priests I’ve listened to didn’t really go in for the fire and brimstone line.

#13 IamtheMumma

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:06 PM

Some churches don't have the Lord's Prayer unless its communion. I think Catholic has communion every week? Its been a while so that detail has faded.

I didn't know there was such a thing as high or low Anglican. I've only been to the services with robes, sermons, collection plate and hymns.

In contrast to no social justice, Gosford Anglican church is very progressive.

#14 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:07 PM

View Posttily, on 29 December 2019 - 06:57 PM, said:

Sydney Anglican is a bit different to other dioceses. Much more Hillsongy.

Awful. They did have a big congregation though, lots of older people.

#15 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:09 PM

View PostIamtheMumma, on 29 December 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:


In contrast to no social justice, Gosford Anglican church is very progressive.

I have heard that. I’m just a bit gobsmacked tbh.

#16 José

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:10 PM

im anglican. in a rural area
ive never heard of high and low anglican!

#17 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:13 PM

The only thing I’ve ever heard is that high is closer to Catholic.. ceremonies, robes, bit more pomp. I didn’t know what the other was practically at all.

#18 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:16 PM

i find the whole clappy evangelical “ tent revival” brand of christianity really repugnant. part of the appeal of Mass surely is an appeal to the senses - sight, sound even smell with the incense - the beautiful old buildings with their spires reaching to the heavens, their domes mirroring the cosmos and the stained glass windows together with the heady smell of incense - i don’t know why you would want to mess with that. but those modern concrete or  blonde brick churches  leave me cold - and, no doubt, the message inside them is even worse.



#19 Dianalynch

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:19 PM

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Edited by Dianalynch, 03 January 2020 - 07:22 PM.


#20 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:40 PM

No, not inner Sydney.

I really never thought i'd think of the catholic church as progressive.

So they might do communion sometimes?

Edited by Riotproof, 29 December 2019 - 07:44 PM.


#21 seayork2002

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:41 PM

View PostJosé, on 29 December 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

im anglican. in a rural area
ive never heard of high and low anglican!

I had a relative ordained in the high Anglican that was 30ish years ago, since that never heard of it again

#22 Froyohoho

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:44 PM

Sounds like the particular church you went to is very fundy-like. Most of my family are fundies and going to their church was like visiting a different planet.

Edited by Froyohoho, 29 December 2019 - 07:46 PM.


#23 Riotproof

Posted 29 December 2019 - 07:50 PM

View PostFroyohoho, on 29 December 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

Sounds like the particular church you went to is very fundy-like. Most of my family are fundies and going to their church was like visiting a different planet.

It really felt like it.

#24 luke's mummu

Posted 29 December 2019 - 08:13 PM

View PostRiotproof, on 29 December 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

No, not inner Sydney.

I really never thought i'd think of the catholic church as progressive.

So they might do communion sometimes?

Yes most sydney low anglicans have communion once a month. The more traditional ( for older generation) services may have it 2-3 times a month.

#25 blimkybill

Posted 29 December 2019 - 08:33 PM

View PostRiotproof, on 29 December 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Thank you for your replies.

It felt very divisive to me, all about us and them; believers of Christ and non believers,  and much less focused on social justice than the Catholic Churches I’ve experienced. There was a lot of me, me, me.

No Lord’s Prayer. No reciting of prayers at all but the congregation. It was an hour of being spoken at with small snippets of a band performance.
The church you visited likely fits into neither the traditional "high anglican" nor "low anglican" categories.

High anglican churches use traditional orders of service, often have choirs, there are robes worn, it's more formal, more traditional, and more catholic-like. Interestingly some high anglican congregations are quite socially progressive, eg in warmly accepting gay members.

Low anglican can be anything which is less formal, but generally would refer to not just less formal but also a little bit progressive. But can include the types below.

There's also a couple of other different types.

Sydney style evangelical anglican is the style the the arch bishop of Sydney promotes; it's the "flavour" of the Sydney diocese but not of most other Australian dioceses. It is socially quite conservative (eg anti same sex marriage and pro the religious discriminaton bill), likes to convert people, focused on being born again, heavily focused on the bible, quite "serious" - but not "happy clappy" or pentecostal or fundy. in fact Sydney evangelicals would usually be quite suspicious of happy-clappies and look down their noses at them.

Then there are the anglican churches which have taken a more pentecostal path. this includes a fundamentalist approach to doctrine, Hillsong like flavour, often using modern music and performance, ie full on happy clappies. Possibly like the church you went to.

There's way more diversity in the anglican church than in the catholic church, because the anglican church is not as centrally controlled. There is no anglican version of the pope.



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