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#1 CallMeFeral

Posted 12 December 2019 - 10:27 PM

I was initially really glad to read this. But hearing about his research project into vaginal trauma that has now been ended I have mixed feelings.


https://www.smh.com....212-p53jbw.html

What a confused fellow he sounds like. Imagine doing so much work to advocate for certain women's issues on one hand but behaving like such a sexist dinosaur on the other.

#2 purplekitty

Posted 12 December 2019 - 11:14 PM

Doesn't really say enough.
There may be some internal hospital politics in this.

I would have thought there would be a step-wise process before termination.

#3 Mummy_Em

Posted 13 December 2019 - 12:54 AM

Yeah this has been going on for months. https://www.sbs.com....more-vulnerable
I wouldn’t like to work for him, his explanation for a huge number of trainees at the hospital reporting feeling unsafe at work is “too many women.”

#4 a letter to Elise.

Posted 13 December 2019 - 04:47 AM

I feel conflicted as well!

on the one hand, he’s researching some incredibly important i areas, and he’s probably fantastic at it. He’s probably an amazing dr, with an unpleasant personality.

on the other, his attitude is appalling. The medical profession is going to miss out on some incredibly talented Drs because of the the hostile work environment. The ridiculous hours are just dangerous, for doctors and patients

#5 TrixieBelden

Posted 13 December 2019 - 05:24 AM

I will be interested to hear what is really going on.

There’s no way this has happened over his stupid sexist comments recently.

I’m not sure there’s such a thing as an amazing doctor with an unpleasant personality.  Research tells us that rudeness at work in healthcare negatively affects patient outcomes and any dr who can’t work as part of a team endangers patients, particularly in areas with lots of emergencies like obstetrics. I think also any doctor who doesn’t follow the principles of true merit selection - and sexist senior doctors don’t because they mistake a penis for merit- robs the profession of some excellent doctors and some important advances that might occur if we really got the best and brightest in every role.

#6 SplashingRainbows

Posted 13 December 2019 - 05:30 AM

I’ve been aware of him for previously reported comments and wondered how he was still practicing.

However this article makes me wonder if he’s seen some truly awful adverse outcomes for women from vaginal birth and he feels it his ‘mission’ to stop that occurring to others. I’m not saying he is right but there was a lot more context in this article to support a viewpoint that perhaps he cares deeply about the issue, and has handled the communication of that terribly with midwives and staff.

He could be just a nutter.

He could just hate women.

I suspect there’s more complexity to it all around.

Not defending him - based on previous info he made my blood boil - but I do think now there’s probably a whole lot more to it.

Edited by SplashingRainbows, 13 December 2019 - 05:31 AM.


#7 fig_jam

Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:06 AM

Sounds like he wants women to stay at home and have perfect vaginas for their husbands.

#8 Ivy Ivy

Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:09 AM

"In the emails, Professor Dietz said women were more likely to drop out and fall ill, and were more expensive to train because they spent fewer years practising."

Women doctors are more likely to work part-time (this is well known by medical bodies which collect workplace statistics) and (I believe) more likely to leave the profession than male doctors. Thus they do spend fewer total years practising, overall, than their male colleagues.

They do not cost more to train, that part of the quote is incorrect, but if you are comparing "cost for taxpayer to educate and train a doctor" with "hours doctor works in their lifetime" it will be more expensive to train the females per hours they repay to the public in their work life.

This is important, because doctors, especially specialists, cost A LOT to train.  The taxpayer pays for much of the training for domestic doctors.   A lot of the costs are hidden - e.g. an operation takes longer because the specialist surgeon is teaching the junior registrar doctor how to do it etc., or the specialist physician takes a 3-hour tutorial to teach different groups of medical students, and that takes them away from 3 hours of clinical work twice a week, so patient waiting lists in their public hospital clinic blow out.

I suspect the unwelcome statistical reality is that women doctors are a drain on the public purse compared with male doctors when only this parameter is evaluated.  I actually think women doctors are advantageous in all sorts of other financial ways.  As just one example, I think they are on average more empathic, e.g. female GPs take longer with each patient, which improves health outcomes, and this ends up costing the medicare system (taxpayer) less than a doctor who sees patients rapidly and superficially and without as much empathy, etc.

But otherwise, I agree with TrixieBeldon, there is a lot more to this story.  And frankly if you have numerous complaints made against you as a specialist, by other doctors, there is probably a major problem with you, because doctors tend to the conservative, work in a traditional old-fashioned hierachy, and are taught and modelled to not rock the boat at work.

#9 Just Jack

Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:28 AM

View PostTrixieBelden, on 13 December 2019 - 05:24 AM, said:

I will be interested to hear what is really going on.

There’s no way this has happened over his stupid sexist comments recently.


Absolutely. There must be so much more to this story than is being reported.

No way a doctor with an otherwise good practice history woyld be suspended for a few offensive comments.

#10 CallMeFeral

Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:50 AM

View PostTrixieBelden, on 13 December 2019 - 05:24 AM, said:

I’m not sure there’s such a thing as an amazing doctor with an unpleasant personality.  Research tells us that rudeness at work in healthcare negatively affects patient outcomes and any dr who can’t work as part of a team endangers patients,

There is I think. Like many people, some doctors have one manner for patients/colleagues and another for the people who know them. DH has a cousin who is a specialist - my friends rave about how lovely he is, and his staff love him, but I also know how he treats his wife and women in general. They would never believe it of him. Plenty of people are two-faced, doctors included. And plenty gain their self esteem from playing hero to patients and staff who worship them but can't maintain that in personal relationships.

View PostIvy Ivy, on 13 December 2019 - 08:09 AM, said:

I suspect the unwelcome statistical reality is that women doctors are a drain on the public purse compared with male doctors when only this parameter is evaluated.  

The thing is, everyone knows that (I think). The issue with him pointing it out is him taking the implication that therefore we shouldn't have so many women doctors - as opposed to that the ****ing inequality in the system that makes this so should be burned to the ground.

View PostJust Jack, on 13 December 2019 - 08:28 AM, said:

No way a doctor with an otherwise good practice history woyld be suspended for a few offensive comments.

I'm not sure it even said he was suspended because of them. It must have been something else. It's too far after the comments.
But that said, maybe the comments brought some other complainants out of the woodwork.

#11 purplekitty

Posted 13 December 2019 - 11:47 AM

View PostTrixieBelden, on 13 December 2019 - 05:24 AM, said:

I will be interested to hear what is really going on.

There’s no way this has happened over his stupid sexist comments recently.

I’m not sure there’s such a thing as an amazing doctor with an unpleasant personality.  Research tells us that rudeness at work in healthcare negatively affects patient outcomes and any dr who can’t work as part of a team endangers patients, particularly in areas with lots of emergencies like obstetrics. I think also any doctor who doesn’t follow the principles of true merit selection - and sexist senior doctors don’t because they mistake a penis for merit- robs the profession of some excellent doctors and some important advances that might occur if we really got the best and brightest in every role.
There are,they also may not be in patient or much other staff contact.

#12 lizzzard

Posted 13 December 2019 - 07:24 PM

How can anyone have a view on this?! Seriously, unless you’re extremely close to the individuals concerned you don’t know what the real story is and are simply pondering a hypothetical situation (which is fine I guess).




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