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#1 Jane Jetson

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:51 PM

Many of you may have seen the recent cartoon by Leunig depicting a new mother who is so dozy thanks to phone ownership that her baby falls out of the pram, which she ignores. There was a fair bit of commentary about it.

Leunig has now had a grizzle in Fairfax media about how misunderstood he is, how he feels real proper girly mothers should act, and how people who didn't like the cartoon are full of hatred. Here it is: https://www.smh.com....030-p535rf.html

So, what do you guys think?

No prizes for guessing my opinion :p

#2 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:52 PM

richard head with deep seated mummy issues.


#3 Lallalla

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:55 PM

Not sure I can be bothered reading it. I have very little respect for the opinions of anti-vaxxers tbh.

#4 seayork2002

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:56 PM

Like a million other cartoons some I get some I don't, sure I do what is in the cartoon sometimes but no I can't say it offends me like 500 other things I do (or not) as a parent.

Heck i even give my phone to my son in cafes so I can read my kindle in peace

Do I think he is doing it for attention?, yes! am I bothered? no!

#5 JBH

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:56 PM

Haven’t read the link but have long found Leunig sanctimonious and self-indulgent.

#6 MagsJee

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:56 PM

I think his sister's (Mary Leunig) drawing in response summed up my feels quite well, tbh

#7 Ayr

Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:57 PM

I probably wouldn't have noticed the pic to comment on it tbh. Now I have, without reading the article, it looks like an exaggeration of how smartphones have taken over our lives. Many people walk around, cross roads, shop, etc with their eyes glued to one, this is an observation I come across daily.

I don't see anything wrong with the cartoon itself because I would take is as above, an exaggeration of what many of us see daily. I'm not surprised some took offense though, people will take offense to anything these days, and some will continue on their way buried in their phones after taking offense to it.

Edited by Ayr, 01 November 2019 - 01:58 PM.


#8 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:00 PM

maybe smartphones HAVE taken over our lives...a point he could have made by using a man...but he didn’t, he chose a woman, and a particular type of woman - a mother. apparently we should be constantly gazing lovingly into our baby’s eyes, or else they will grow up all messed up. daddy doesn’t have to do this, just mummy.



#9 **Xena**

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:03 PM

Leunig has a history of attacking mothers that don't fit a 50s style stereotype. His childcare comic is also very awful and anti women. It's a shame because I like some of his comics but his anti-women leanings have stopped me from enjoying his work anymore.

Edited by **Xena**, 01 November 2019 - 02:13 PM.


#10 Wahwah

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:06 PM

I don't have a problem with challenging the fact that smartphones are a massive distraction in our lives but...

Leunig has form in criticising mothers in particular (any one remember the childcare cartoon from the 90s?) when the actual behaviour or choices he criticises is not limited to mothers or women. So he gets my back up because he's either venerating or demonising mothers based on this idealistic and outdated view of parenting.

Plus he used to have coffee in the same cafe I took my toddler to back in the day, and I found it weird the way he'd watch us. He was probably thinking I'm a bad mother for giving my kid chocolate sprinkled babycinos.

#11 Ayr

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:06 PM

Ok, see I haven't seen enough of his cartoons to know its always women depicted. So that's what the offense is about more so than what it's showing. I get why some might be offended in that case but it still wouldn't bother me. I don't follow his work, never have.

Sadly there was a babies life lost when it's pram rolled into a lake a few years ago because mum stopped to use her phone. Could have happened to a dad, but it happened due to a phone. Regardless if it's male or female being depicted, smartphones have taken over our lives.

Edited by Ayr, 03 November 2019 - 06:56 PM.


#12 Mollycoddle

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:08 PM

 Ayr, on 01 November 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

I probably wouldn't have noticed the pic to comment on it tbh. Now I have, without reading the article, it looks like an exaggeration of how smartphones have taken over our lives. Many people walk around, cross roads, shop, etc with their eyes glued to one, this is an observation I come across daily.


I don't know that it is that much of an exaggeration TBH.  I know it's #notallmothers but in some of the trauma training I've done this year in the context of child protection we were told that there have been studies done which indicate the prevalent extent of the use of this type of technology has been shown to interfere with the bonding between mothers and very young infants to toddlers.

I do get why you would be offended if you were aware of his general anti-women stance (which I was not).

Edited by Mollycoddle, 01 November 2019 - 02:10 PM.


#13 Gumbette

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:08 PM

I *sort* of agree with him.  I work in a pretty high traffic area and the number of times I see parents cross the roads texting in front whilst a toddler walks behind completely unaccompanied is mind boggling, and to be honest terribly dangerous.  Yes, it's usually mothers, but that's more because at that age, women are usually the ones at home.  If they were pushing a pram, I wouldn't care - they're probably holding up traffic whilst dawdling across the road, but there's no real danger at least.

#14 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:09 PM

just mums?why not dads as well?

#15 **Xena**

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:11 PM

Here are just some of his anti women cartoons

https://medium.com/@...st-b77d5ac49220

#16 Cimbom

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:12 PM

First dog on the moon is better :p

#17 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:12 PM

...and the anti vac one was just awful.

#18 Jane Jetson

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:13 PM

 Lallalla, on 01 November 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

Not sure I can be bothered reading it. I have very little respect for the opinions of anti-vaxxers tbh.

He's not off the hook with me for that either, believe me!

 Lucrezia Borgia, on 01 November 2019 - 02:00 PM, said:

maybe smartphones HAVE taken over our lives...a point he could have made by using a man...but he didn’t, he chose a woman, and a particular type of woman - a mother. apparently we should be constantly gazing lovingly into our baby’s eyes, or else they will grow up all messed up. daddy doesn’t have to do this, just mummy.

I agree completely - this was my concern with it. He's long been a critic of feminists and not just working mothers, but mothers in general who do not conform to his highly sexist and unrealistic expectations. He has produced a number of highly misogynistic cartoons over the years, and this is just the latest.

I mean, there's absolutely a case to be made about phone zombies. Stop staring at your phone when you're crossing the road, folks! It's the fact that he picked on mothers, inserting his silly notions of precisely how much eye contact is enough, that irked me.

#19 marple

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:13 PM


i was with him on the smart phone obsession - though he could as easily drawn a pedestrian walking in front of a bus - but thanks to pp  - he seems to be a weirdo anti-vacc person. So no support from me.

#20 K.heather

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:15 PM

Sorry didn't want to derail :)

Edited by K.heather, 01 November 2019 - 02:29 PM.


#21 **Xena**

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:17 PM

He's done quite a few anti vax comics in his time too.

Edited by **Xena**, 01 November 2019 - 02:20 PM.


#22 Jane Jetson

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:20 PM

 **Xena**, on 01 November 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

Here are just some of his anti women cartoons

https://medium.com/@...st-b77d5ac49220

Oh my. I'd seen most of those before, but not the tattoos one. Wow, he really does hate women who don't meet his expectations, doesn't he?

#23 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:21 PM

 Jane Jetson, on 01 November 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:



He's not off the hook with me for that either, believe me!



I agree completely - this was my concern with it. He's long been a critic of feminists and not just working mothers, but mothers in general who do not conform to his highly sexist and unrealistic expectations. He has produced a number of highly misogynistic cartoons over the years, and this is just the latest.

I mean, there's absolutely a case to be made about phone zombies. Stop staring at your phone when you're crossing the road, folks! It's the fact that he picked on mothers, inserting his silly notions of precisely how much eye contact is enough, that irked me.

exactly....and his churlish “well cartoons are meant to spark debate so there”...well ok mate, we’re debating it...it’s just that you don’t like the direction the debate is going in: that’s the thing with satire - be careful who or what you are holding up for ridicule or criticism. technology and its impact on our lives is a worthy topic to explore - it’s just quite telling how You chose to explore it - with a dose of sanctimony and judgment of One class of user on the side. so you didn’t make the point by depicting a dad because no one would question a man having interests other than their child? hmmmmmm


#24 No Drama Please

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:22 PM

I registered my outrage here:

https://www.change.o...unig-cartoonist

Admittedly am only one of eight so far, but figured you had to start somewhere :lol:

#25 **Xena**

Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:23 PM

Now I'm getting an advertisement for his calendar at the top of this page...




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