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#1 Lunafreya

Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:46 AM

So I’m going into mediation soon with ex and the main topic is going to be DS’s care arrangements. I would like him to live with me for part of the week, but I don’t think that’s doable this year. I still need time to get his room together more of a home for him, and if he does he’ll need care after school.

Also, it’s almost the end of the year and he’s starting the transition to primary school. So maybe it’s better if he keeps the rest of this year living full time with his dad and we begin the new arrangements next year.

So I’ve looked at OOHSC at the primary school he will be at. It’s  viable if I change my work hours slightly, and the location is near the public transport I need to get to and from work.

So can anyone tell me about OOSHC? Would it be OK for a five year old turning six in his first year of school? He’s be there two to three days a week, before and after school, 7.30 am until 6pm. That’s a long day, but it’s how we’d have to do it.

I also want to know what to expect in fees. Can I claim child care rebate?

The alternative the social workers have suggested is DS is being with his Dad before and after school and I pick him up. This is cheaper and doable as I live close and his Dad can get him to school,  but I’m not that much  of a fan of it as DS is meant to be in my care even if I have someone else looking after him.

#2 eachschoolholidays

Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:53 AM

I don’t see the problem with it. Both of our kids did OOSH from Kindy. It’s a long day but my actually really like OOSH. They got to play for extended periods with their friends, do craft, and hang out with lovely carers.
I did put them into holiday care for a few days before phantom just so they were familiar with the site.

#3 lozoodle

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:02 AM

All of mine went from FYOS up. DD3 was only 4 when she started school and she was fine.
How else would I work?

Yes you can claim CCR etc. Fees vary depending upon the facility.

#4 MissBehaving

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:09 AM

My DD will is the same age, going into FYOS and will be going to OOSHC for 3 or 4 days a week.

Our school charges a fee for mornings ($13) and a fee for afternoons ($22) and vacation care is $44 a day. There is a one-off admin fee and bond to be paid as well.

I haven't yet looked into what Centrelink will cover but the full fees are a lot less than childcare, so that's a good start!

Our school walks the FYOS kids to and from their classrooms so they can't get lost. And provides a basic breakfast and afternoon tea.

The staff have qualifications similar to childcare and first aid certificates too.

#5 qak

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:09 AM

You would want to have the 'same' days every week so you can use OOSH consistently (ie you don't want to be failing the attendance rules which mean you could lose rebates).

Check with the OOSH re their fees, and if you will be able to get a placement, there could be a waiting list. I think the rebate/s (CCS etc) will depend on your income

I would think that if your DS was cared by his father, that could be used against you so would avoid that option.

#6 MrsLexiK

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:17 AM

My DS1 has done this this year. We only do reading at our school in prep as term as home work (unless needing extra help etc) so really they are doing what they do at home just having down time. It’s meant his been exposed to kids in the other Prep class (we go from 2 prep classes to four 1/2 classes so he will only have a handful of kids from his class this year) and also from older grades. Yes his been tired but the mums I talk to don’t have to use OOHS and their kids are just as tired. FYOS is tiring. (DS also chooses to do 3-5 hours of classical ballet a week). I spoke to the principal at one of the transition sessions as I had so much anxiety about it. And he was like:
1) your not the first parent that feels like this
2) it would be great if we could fit our jobs into school hours and be paid the same
3) I’d prefer my students attend oohs and be tired and need some down time in the afternoon (our school tries to - especially in the prep - yr 2 grades - to schedule specialists classes in the morning/pre lunch time it’s when they get the speeches and OT’s etc in) then come to school with no lunch etc.
4) prep is tiring anyway so may as well hit the ground running

#7 MissBehaving

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:28 AM

Sorry for the hijack LF, what do OOSHC usually do on pupil free days, do they run vacation care hours or will I have to take those days off work? I will be asking next orientation day but just wanted an idea on what is likely.

#8 AnythingGoes

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:31 AM

Ours runs vacation day hours on pupil free days thankfully.

#9 Mrs Claus

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:34 AM

View PostMissBehaving, on 30 October 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry for the hijack LF, what do OOSHC usually do on pupil free days, do they run vacation care hours or will I have to take those days off work? I will be asking next orientation day but just wanted an idea on what is likely.

They don’t run on pupil free days generally

#10 Babetty

Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:48 AM

Both my kids went to OOSHC from prep onwards. Yes it's tiring but the carers are great and have a mix of more active or not relaxing activities. It also means they're familiar and comfortable with the carers for vacation care.

Our OOSHC does run a vacation care program on student free days.

I can't remember the exact fee, but we get a discount for booking both before and after school care, and childcare benefit / rebate / whatever it's called now.

#11 lozoodle

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:00 AM

Our vacation care runs on pupil free days usually when they're at the start of the term, i'm not 100% sure about the two at the end of this term though as i think they will be closed til mid jan.

#12 seayork2002

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:07 AM

DS has been in OOSH/BA since FYOS 4 mornings and 3 afternoons till this year (Y6) now 3 mornings and 2 afternoons.

It does not run on holidays/pupil free days.

If I was in your situation I would not make any plans till you actually have court orders stating where your son is resitting and the access arrangements.

Is this a school he is actually going to or one you want him to go t?

Is he actually enrolled to go? with both parents approval?

#13 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:15 AM

My son went to OOSH from kindy and was fine.   They have a substantial afternoon tea and a late snack which keeps them going.  

You get CCS based on your income (like childcare) and ours runs pretty seamlessly between school days
and holidays (including staff development days).  

Depending on your area it can be hard to get a spot.  Single working parent gets priority over married working parent so make sure to mention that if there is a wait list.  

It’s good to get at least one permanent OOSH spot as that hooks you in if you need casual days or holiday care or more days down the track .

#14 CrankyM

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:25 AM

Mine have attended OSCH since 4yr kindy. Not until that late though (but school is 7.45-2 here and they usually stayed until 5ish so pretty similar days really).

#15 hills mum bec

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:35 AM

My 3 kids have always gone to OSHC from FYOS.  They were already used to being at day care for whole days so it wasn't a huge adjustment for them.  The fees will vary a lot from service to service, ours is $16 before school and $25 after school but could certainly be a lot more than that and these fees are before the Child Care Rebate which you will be able to claim.  Our OSHC does run during school holidays except for a two week break over Christmas/New Year and it does run on a Pupil Free day provided they have a certain number of kids enrolled for the day which they don't always get so end up cancelling it with a week's notice.  If your DS has special needs the OSHC service may also be able to access special funding for an extra carer to help him, I know our OSHC does this for certain students with special needs.

#16 immismum

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:41 AM

Not directly related to OOSHC, but with regard to setting up care, if you are trying to do something like 50/50, you might like to consider 2/2/5/5.

Helps with care because you child is always with you on the same day of the week
A 2 week cycle of

For example

You, Monday/ Tuesday (2 nights)

Ex: Wednesday/Thursday (2 nights)

You Friday / Saturday/ Sunday (3 nights) leading into

You: Monday/ Tuesday (2 nights) ( so 5 nights total)

Ex: Wednesday/ Thursday (2 nights, leading into)

Ex: Friday/Saturday/Sunday (3 nights so 5 nights total)

So you would always have Monday and Tuesday, Ex would always have Wednesday and Thursday and Friday, Saturday and Sunday would vary.

Make organising childcare and activities much easier

#17 Kiwi Bicycle

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:50 AM

My DS doesn't attend but has been FYOS ghis year and I looked into it plus my friends in other schools use theirs.
FYOS students are walked up to class in the morning and picked up at end of day by staff. Ours wear high viz bibs for the 1st year so all the other students attending know they are little regardless of size ( we have a FYOS who is the size of a 10 year old so often hard to pick).
The room ( I have been in during transition sessions for a parents coffee) has lots of toys and games plus chill out areas. There normally is a structured acrivity, ours has a timetable in the school newsletter.
There are different companies running the care, I saw last year a thread on one company with the initials CA people weren't happy with so hopefully they have got better but ours is OSH Club and they run at a few local schools here and everyone is happy.
I personally liked at my school, the deputy and principal were very involved with the staff and would do random drop ins before and after school, so keeping an eye on the kids. The FYOS teachers also talked to the staff and communicate. A few members of the OOSH had slso been around for quite a few years.
Our club ran on pupil free days when there is enough registrations.
Another thing to factor in is does the school going to run shortened days or have a mid week rest day for the first month of school? Our OoHC covered this as our school did short days. It meant the new students had a whole hour of the room and staff to themselves before the bigger kids arrived and were more settled.
I would definitely go and organize a visit if the rooms and/or a phone call to the staff and discuss how your one runs and whether or not it would suit your little man. Also talk to the school staff about the program and see if there is genuine interest and attention.

#18 Lunafreya

Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:53 AM

That is the sort of thing I’ve been thinking about and have been discussing with my solicitor.

We have also agreed to swap weekends occasionally if there are things we wish to take DS too that are on a certain date that can’t be changed. Like a camping trip with my club or a day out at the tram museum. These things are organised well in advance. There will be a default, and variations from that are negotiated.

For instance, I can’t have DS while I’m recovering from surgery. Once I’m well I will be taking him for several consecutive weekends.

#19 gatheringpieces

Posted 30 October 2019 - 09:11 AM

I haven't had to use OOSH but it's not uncommon for kindy kids to attend due to parents work schedules.

I know you're recovering from surgery now so can't really have your DS, but once you're better don't put off having him just because your home isn't perfect.
I know you don't drive but hook up your dad or a friend or a friendly local EB'er to pick up what you need cheap from Gumtree/op shops/marketplace. That's how I set up after my separation. I've upgraded things as I can but my kids certainly didn't care that things weren't perfect.
It is far more important to have a good consistent relationship with your son, and I think if you can get him staying with you BEFORE he starts school it would be easier than changing care arrangements on him when he's settling in.

Best of luck LF.

#20 Lunafreya

Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:02 AM

Oh he will be staying with me, just not living with me yet.

#21 ~Kay~

Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:17 AM

The OOSH at my kids school will accommodate fortnightly permanent bookings for separated parents with week on week off arrangements.

#22 AllyK81

Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:24 AM

We haven't used any OOSH as DH does all the pick ups but by terms 2 DS was begging to go with his friends!

The kids all seem to love it.

The only problem I can see (which is minor!) is squeezing in time for readers. For DS we had to work pretty hard with him in the first 2 terms on his reading. He is absolutely flying now but we did need that time at the start of the year. Now we can do readers over breakfast if we miss out the day before because he is much faster and I don't need to hover over his shoulder while he is doing them.

Good luck OP. Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate.

#23 nom_de_plume

Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:49 AM

DD is in FYOS and goes to before and after school care when my partner is working (rotating shift work). She is there 2-5 days a week.

It is a long day for them, and if I could somehow avoid it I would, but it is what it is. They are very tired at the end of the day, so I think ideally I’d prefer to use before care only, and have someone pick the child up if that was an option.

Ask your school re: fees, availability and bookings. Ours is $15 for before care and $25 for after care. Some schools offer discounts for permanent bookings (ours doesn’t). Ours is open during Term 1, 2 and 3 school holidays and all curriculum days. There are no availability issues with ours and I can book via an app as needed. I do know of other schools in the area that have wait lists etc. as it was a deciding factor in our school choice.

You do the application for CCS online, and then confirm the enrollment once the service sends it in to Centrelink. It’s paid direct to the service and we are invoiced calendar monthly.

#24 Pearson

Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:54 AM

View PostMissBehaving, on 30 October 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry for the hijack LF, what do OOSHC usually do on pupil free days, do they run vacation care hours or will I have to take those days off work? I will be asking next orientation day but just wanted an idea on what is likely.

In Qld, our PFDs are built in our holidays. Bar one, and our OSHC opens that day, as vacation care hours. This is a public school.

#25 Lunafreya

Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:07 AM

I just heard back from the company that does care. They’re getting back to me as they’re going through some sort of merger and the fees could change

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