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Poll: Extinction Rebellion (290 member(s) have cast votes)

Extinction Rebellion. Yay or Nay.

  1. Yay (168 votes [57.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.93%

  2. Nay (122 votes [42.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.07%

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#1 (feral)epg

Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:52 AM

As the poll says.  Go.

#2 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 09 October 2019 - 12:38 PM

I'm a big fan of anyone protesting re climate change at the moment.  However, like the protests in Hong Kong (which I also support), they do themselves no favours when they put themselves in deliberate positions to get arrested and make the news / gain attention.

Destroying property (again as per Hong Kong) is definitely over the line.

I will always support peaceful protests and have no real issue with crowds that affect traffic etc.  But its' a fine line sometimes - not sure I support 2 people lying in an intersection to stop traffic.  I don't think they are proving their point.

I do however love that they are 'having fun' with it - dressing up as a group, I especially love the bees.

Edited by Ruf~Feral~es, 09 October 2019 - 12:38 PM.


#3 AliasMater

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:00 PM

I support them. They are putting a lot on the line for the good of everyone.

I just cannot read the comments. I hate people so much.

#4 PrincessPeach

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:21 PM

i totally understand there is a big problem with governemnts & not being active enough in dealing wtih climate change.

However, their form of protesting has crossed the line from peaceful to downright dangerous, all they are now doing is getting thousands of people offside.

Besides their actions are a bit hypocritical- close off a major road causing an epic traffic jam. So those cars sitting idolling on the road are just emitting more pollutants than they would if they got to their destination without the disruption.

Their protested last week in Brisbane - a cycle through the CBD ending in a die in in a pedestrian mall. No problems with that at all. All done under police escort, emergency vehicles could still access areas if needed & still got their point across.


#5 *Spikey*

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:23 PM

I think the legacy of Joh Bjelke Petersen is coming home to roost.

We are in a situation where protesting attracts more serious penalties than domestic violence, white collar crime, and incarcerating people without charge for well over 5 years (that's our government).

We are now in a place where governments have already outlawed previously acceptable protest actions, like strikes, that achieved sensible working conditions - and they are removing those hard won rights through they system. Nurses protesting patient ratios would now be jailed for taking industrial action protesting that.

Dutton, Morrison, Palaszczuk, Berejiklian, and their fellow State and Territorian Ministers/Premiers are moving to outlaw the basic right to congregate - just like the good old days in QLD under Joh, and adding to police power under the guise of security, so that breaches and excessive use of force, or unreasonable decisions, cannot be questioned.

There is coming a time where we (aka the people) will need to disregard these unfair laws and once again ignore the government and protest. How are our farmers (vital to our population and food security) going to get heard, if not allowed to protest the building of private dams, the mining of prime farmland, and so on? It says these integrity laws are to protect them, but they are written so that they can easily be used against them.

So yeah, ER is part of the building of resistance, which is a good thing - and I say join your union, make sure your kids join their union, because the writing is on the wall.

The government is applying pressure, and currently getting away with it - and that means increased corruption within the government and the forces tasked with enforcing these laws (police, border farce, etc). We are a generally laid back people, and we're being used as doormats for rich business to get richer. The more protesting we do in response to this kind of pressure trying to stop it, the better of Australians will be (and those who've been benefiting already have way more money than they can ever spend, so they don't need to benefit further).

#6 franklymum

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:25 PM

I completely and utterly support them and if I didn't have small children to look after, I'd be there with them. We've gone to all the climate action student protests. It's ridiculous to worry about a bit of traffic disruption or minor acts of civil disobedience while we head towards mass extinction and our government wastes time, fudges the facts and tells us to look the other way.

Regarding the accusations of hypocrisy - look up Jonathan Pie on the extinction rebellion. It's all over FB at the moment (link below). His take perfectly encapsulates my point of view. He is brilliant - angry, irreverent and spot on. Calling XR protesters hypocritical is a classic straw man argument.

https://www.facebook...425045757661077

Edited by franklymum, 09 October 2019 - 01:28 PM.


#7 AliasMater

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:26 PM

https://www.theguard...XNAyTtBPVZ3v8Dk

#8 **Xena**

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:31 PM

I find it curious that more than half the people are against the Extinction Rebellion when there was so much support for the Climate Change strikes. I do wonder if those people also feel the same about the Suffragettes, who often used  harsher methods than just disruption, to finally get the vote.

I personally think they are at the point where nothing else is getting through to the politicians so desperate times call for desperate measures. Civil disruption has long been used to change policy. They aren't hurting anyone from what I understand and let people know ahead of time where they will be and are moving for emergency personnel. Fair enough and good on them for trying.

#9 ~LemonMyrtle~

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:32 PM

I knew nothing about them until I watched the news yesterday. I have no idea what their policies are or why they’re protesting so much, other than it’s something to do with climate change? Maybe?

If they keep making it into the news I’ll do some more reading. For now though, they’re just not on my radar.

#10 Mands09

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:33 PM

They are just p*ssing off ordinary people going about their days who support climate change and giving climate deniers like Scott Morrison ammunition to claim what they say is irrelevant as they are fringe/loony left

Edited by Mands09, 09 October 2019 - 01:33 PM.


#11 spr_maiden

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:38 PM

A guy in Brisbane this week, p*ssed off because they disrupted traffic, the guy was a pedestrian - what does he care?
I roll my eyes at grumpy people like that.

#12 can'tstayaway

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:42 PM

Yay from me.

I am inconvenienced by then but support their right to protest and what they are protesting about.


View PostPrincessPeach, on 09 October 2019 - 01:21 PM, said:

However, their form of protesting has crossed the line from peaceful to downright dangerous, all they are now doing is getting thousands of people offside.

Besides their actions are a bit hypocritical- close off a major road causing an epic traffic jam. So those cars sitting idolling on the road are just emitting more pollutants than they would if they got to their destination without the disruption.
I may have missed it in the news, but how are they dangerous?  They are only putting themselves at risk and are not violent or damaging of property.

As for the traffic jam argument, ER gives prior notice of their protests so that people can make alternate plans. The extra pollution from the traffic jams is probably minor compared to the massive impact the government can make, for example by not approving more mines and the associated pollution associated with the extraction, transport and eventual burning of the coal.

#13 *Nasty*Squeekums*

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:54 PM

The message I get

But make my day longer or harder and I will never support you.
Get me stuck in traffic or a group that can't move, no support and when I get close expect a mouthful of abuse.

They make the argument for "loony left" hard to counter and are just p*ssing people off. The message ain't getting through when people are annoyed and their life disrupted

#14 franklymum

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:55 PM

View PostAliasMater, on 09 October 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:


This is quietly horrifying and definitely part of a larger trend which must be reversed. ER protesters are a diverse demographic and are not driven by ideology or fanaticism. They are motivated by science and a concern for the future of their children.

If I had to order the issues worth worrying about from terrifying to "meh", scientific consensus about impending ecological collapse would be on top of my list. This would be followed by the encroaching police state, its ever increasing surveillance and deliberate inhibition of the political freedom of it's citizens.

A bit of civil disobedience would be WAY down my list of things to be concerned about. Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

Edited by franklymum, 09 October 2019 - 03:39 PM.


#15 Lunafreya

Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:57 PM

Funny, they want to shut down climate activists but doing the same to racist, neo-nazi groups is "violating free speech"

#16 *Nasty*Squeekums*

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:00 PM

View PostLunafreya, on 09 October 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

Funny, they want to shut down climate activists but doing the same to racist, neo-nazi groups is "violating free speech"

Oh nah, I'm fair
I don't give a toss about the cause, don't disrupt my day or journey.
That's what I don't like.
I already struggle to go out and stay sane, having my day thrown by ANY protest isn't good for me.

#17 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:03 PM

View Post*Nasty*Squeekums*, on 09 October 2019 - 01:54 PM, said:

The message I get

But make my day longer or harder and I will never support you.
Get me stuck in traffic or a group that can't move, no support and when I get close expect a mouthful of abuse.

They make the argument for "loony left" hard to counter and are just p*ssing people off. The message ain't getting through when people are annoyed and their life disrupted

All our days are going to get longer and harder if something isn't done now.  

How many times in the past few years has public transport been affected by heat/storms/floods?  How many peoples days are longer and harder today due to bushfires?  

We will all have to get used to it.  Unless someone, somewhere does something that makes the Governments stop and listen.

#18 *Nasty*Squeekums*

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:08 PM

View PostRuf~Feral~es, on 09 October 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

All our days are going to get longer and harder if something isn't done now.  

How many times in the past few years has public transport been affected by heat/storms/floods?  How many peoples days are longer and harder today due to bushfires?  

We will all have to get used to it.  Unless someone, somewhere does something that makes the Governments stop and listen.

Weather extremes I can deal with as I can hibernate at home. Plus what people call extreme heat, I call nice and warm.
Bushfires have always been a risk when you live rural. Even as a small kid 25 years ago I remember rush housepack ups and crap cos a fire near

If I've gone out, I'm managing my anxiety to get out, I don't need any protest holding me up and making it worse, longer or harder cos now I'm stuck in their blockage.
I'm looking out for me

I also despise traffic jams, crowded shops and walkways
I avoid them when I can

#19 Lunafreya

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:09 PM

We had women throwing themselves in front of horses. Smashing windows. Going on hunger strikes.

And we got the vote.

#20 franklymum

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:12 PM

View Post*Nasty*Squeekums*, on 09 October 2019 - 01:54 PM, said:

The message ain't getting through when people are annoyed and their life disrupted

Life disrupted? That's exactly the point. Our lives are going to be hugely disrupted and it's going to be a lot worse than merely inconvenient.

Protests and civil disobedience works. People power works.

Because we can all do as much as we can on an individual level but until government and the fossil fuel industry are FORCED to change, it won't make enough of a difference. People have written polite emails, they've signed a thousand petitions, they've pressured their local members and voted accordingly. And still the lies, obfuscation and denials - did anyone read the ABC's fact check of Scott Morrison's UN talk about climate change?

We are not doing enough and our Prime minister is showing no leadership on this issue. FGS, the coalition doesn't even have a climate change policy!

Edited by franklymum, 09 October 2019 - 02:12 PM.


#21 Lunafreya

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:13 PM

No one ever brought about change by "asking nicely"

#22 franklymum

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:21 PM

View Post*Nasty*Squeekums*, on 09 October 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

Weather extremes I can deal with as I can hibernate at home. Plus what people call extreme heat, I call nice and warm.
Bushfires have always been a risk when you live rural. Even as a small kid 25 years ago I remember rush housepack ups and crap cos a fire near

If I've gone out, I'm managing my anxiety to get out, I don't need any protest holding me up and making it worse, longer or harder cos now I'm stuck in their blockage.
I'm looking out for me

I also despise traffic jams, crowded shops and walkways
I avoid them when I can

Maybe you are but you're seriously deluded if you think climate change is just a matter of being "nice and warm".

#23 PrincessPeach

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:25 PM

View Postcan, on 09 October 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Yay from me.

I am inconvenienced by then but support their right to protest and what they are protesting about.



I may have missed it in the news, but how are they dangerous?  They are only putting themselves at risk and are not violent or damaging of property.



They welded themselves to the main railway line between gold coast & brisbane this morning. They also damaged some of the major freight lines in central qld when protesting the adani mines doing the same thing.

I dont know about other places, but in Brisbane there was no information about where they were going to block, so you couldnt plan. There isnt much in the way of alternative routes in the CBD.

#24 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:40 PM

View Post*Nasty*Squeekums*, on 09 October 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

If I've gone out, I'm managing my anxiety to get out, I don't need any protest holding me up and making it worse, longer or harder cos now I'm stuck in their blockage.
I'm looking out for me


I get that you have additional needs that pose additional problems.  I'm managing through this with my DS, and can only imagine what it must be like to have to fight to do what the rest of us don't have to think about.   The levels of anxiety he experiences scares me silly, and makes me so sad for his future.

That is one issue.  But the whole attitude that 'these people shouldn't do it because it inconveniences me" is what has caused these problems in the first place.

If we had started to act on climate change 40 years ago, we would not be in the dire straights we are now.  Remember the hole in the ozone layer and greenhouse gasses?  We did too little back then, and now it's almost too late.

So I object to you using anxiety as a reason to not support climate protests. For some people with anxiety, like my DS - there is no way he could go to a protest, but a big part of his anxiety is around the climate - so he supports the protests, in the ways that he can.  

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Weather extremes I can deal with as I can hibernate at home. Plus what people call extreme heat, I call nice and warm.

I don't think the thousands of fire fighters who are out fighting the fires RIGHT NOW - fires that are brought about due to the extreme heat that we have never experienced this early in Spring, would appreciate that you are 'nice and warm'.     Or the people who have lost their homes and livestock, or are under threat for the 4th time this month, or even those experiencing the worst drought ever seen.

But good for you.  As long as you are OK.

Edited by Ruf~Feral~es, 09 October 2019 - 02:41 PM.


#25 *Nasty*Squeekums*

Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:48 PM

View Postfranklymum, on 09 October 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

Maybe you are but you're seriously deluded if you think climate change is just a matter of being "nice and warm".

No, not deluded, to me 40 plus is warm. To most it isn't, I know that, I just don't retain heat so feel cold easily. Summer heat is the one time of year I don't get a headache or feel sick from going outside. It's hard to tell me heat is bad when it makes me feel normal and well.

View Postfranklymum, on 09 October 2019 - 02:12 PM, said:

Life disrupted? That's exactly the point. Our lives are going to be hugely disrupted and it's going to be a lot worse than merely inconvenient.


Our lives in the future but people are annoyed that TODAY their life is disrupted and as long as ER know that will put many off side and gain no support, then they can go knock themselves out protesting.

Plus with the talk of tightening of laws, no way would I join them or encourage anyone I know too. I spent 31 years doing all manner of things with no criminal record, I ain't about to start now.

View PostRuf~Feral~es, on 09 October 2019 - 02:40 PM, said:

I get that you have additional needs that pose additional problems.  I'm managing through this with my DS, and can only imagine what it must be like to have to fight to do what the rest of us don't have to think about.

So I object to you using anxiety as a reason to not support climate protests. For some people with anxiety, like my DS - there is no way he could go to a protest, but a big part of his anxiety is around the climate - so he supports the protests, in the ways that he can.  

But good for you.  As long as you are OK.
My bold
Bullsh*t, if you believed that and meant it then you never would have wrote you object to me 'using' anxiety and then some snark about my need to be warm.
My anxiety is due to groups of people, being stuck somewhere, not being able to leave and having people all up in my space.

But yeah you like totes get it. It's this kind of crap that makes me go stuff the stupid protests.




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