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#26 Ivy Ivy

Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:09 PM

Do people often get specifically asked to contribute to GoFundMe causes?
Aside from "I'm walking x km to raise money for y" (well you're really walking it to have fun and be fit, but ok, I'll contribute) I haven't heard of GoFundMe, nobody has specifically asked me for anything.  Or is it more often general Facebook ad sort of community general requests?

#27 Holidayromp

Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:16 PM

View PostYodaTheWrinkledOne, on 19 September 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

My mother no longer insures her car. She would be lucky to get $1000 for it (and that's being generous! It's 27 years old), but comprehensive insurance for it was costing her $479 a year. At her age (76) and on her income, that's too much. So I get why she stopped paying for comprehensive car insurance. It's a chance she's willing to take that it doesn't get written off somehow.

I hope she has third party at least.

#28 born.a.girl

Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:17 PM

View PostIvy Ivy, on 19 September 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

Do people often get specifically asked to contribute to GoFundMe causes?
Aside from "I'm walking x km to raise money for y" (well you're really walking it to have fun and be fit, but ok, I'll contribute) I haven't heard of GoFundMe, nobody has specifically asked me for anything.  Or is it more often general Facebook ad sort of community general requests?

I've only had a few.  One was a facebook shout out from my niece for a friend who was raising money in a fun run for childhood brain cancers (which her five year old had).

A few others were people I knew, or knew about, who were doing something like that - I'm quite happy to support someone fundraising for something I know to be reputable.

One I didn't contribute to, was one from a Facebook health site I'm an administrator on. She made a lot of choices about her life, all of whose consequences she saw as having nothing to do with her choices. Then she posted with how disappointed she was that none of us contributed to her go fund me and left the group. It's awful to see someone strapped for money, but it's not solving anything enabling them to continue that way.

#29 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:53 PM

At what stage though, do people say to themselves "That person has enough, I think I'll give my money to someone else"

Just seeing the various headlines about the Survivor guy who has now raised more money than if he'd run the show.... I get that his story is difficult, but no more deserving of so very many people out htere.

Why does he get over $500 000?  Why do people not say "Oh, he's got $250 000.  I'll go elsewhere?"    I just don't get it.  

Raising funds for a charity or research I get.  But an individual who has similar problems to many many other people?

#30 gracie1978

Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:04 PM

I think part if it is when I had an old car j still had third party insurance.

I had a month where it wasn't insured because I couldn't afford the premium, so I left it parked in my space and caught the bus.
When I was broke and at uni, I had a smallest contents insurance policy available for the 3rd party liability cover.

So I guess not having insurance doesn't sit with my values.

#31 born.a.girl

Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:05 PM

View PostRuf~Feral~es, on 19 September 2019 - 01:53 PM, said:

At what stage though, do people say to themselves "That person has enough, I think I'll give my money to someone else"

Just seeing the various headlines about the Survivor guy who has now raised more money than if he'd run the show.... I get that his story is difficult, but no more deserving of so very many people out htere.

Why does he get over $500 000?  Why do people not say "Oh, he's got $250 000.  I'll go elsewhere?" I just don't get it.  

Raising funds for a charity or research I get.  But an individual who has similar problems to many many other people?

That's the same reason i avoid the large charities that get the opportunity to tug at the heartstrings during the year.  There are enough people who will respond to that, but who will never, otherwise, stop to think about donating to a charity who is making structural change so that in the future, they may not need emergency aid.

One example: the charities who help low income countries after earthquakes or hurricanes improve their building standards so that those homes are not lost next time.  Another: the charity that's working on a new measure of poverty, unlike the pretty useless one now, so that in future funds can be better directed and actually prevent some of the unseen poverty.

Several years ago we decided to just make a decision on the total amount to donate each year, and do so to a charity that makes structural change.

Obviously there are bits & pieces of exceptions, like when Red Cross come to the door, or individual situations like I've mentioned above.

The Daily Mail are good at it: take a child from a country without a socialised health care system, show them with some condition their family can't afford to fix, and numerous people will cry 'oh how do I help this poor babe?'.  Um, by donation to charities who actually help people you already know exist in those circumstances.  Why does it have to be shoved in front of their eyes to believe it?

Sorry, rant over.

#32 Sweet.Pea

Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:11 PM

View Postgracie1978, on 19 September 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

I'm always willing to donate to people who have had unexpected bad luck or are the victims of crime.

I just get so frustrated when they're asking for an obscene amount because their 20k car or 500k house wasn't insured.

If you can't afford the insurance you need to get rid of the asset because the risk of keeping it is too high.

There is a case in my local community at moment and I just can't bring myself to contribute.

What do you do?

I just don't donate.

I only donate to actual charities or if there is a fundraiser event for something I believe in.

As a PP has written, someone can send their kids to private school and not pay insurance. It's a risk they take.

My opinion is similar to yours, if you can't afford the insurance then you can't afford the asset.

#33 TrixieBelden

Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:04 PM

This is eye-opening.

Most of the people I treat at work have ‘brought it on themselves’ in some way. Failed to make good choices, even when well-resourced. Failed to vaccinate their children then turn up with a kid with a threatened airway and their life in the balance because of a vaccine-preventable illness. Smokers. Overweight people. People who drink too much. People who drive too fast.

I really can’t get on board with waiting for people to learn their lesson before offering help I can afford to offer.

Again, if you ‘can’t bring yourself’ to donate, the answer is simple: don’t.

There’s a world of difference between someone who’s lost everything and someone piqued that they didn’t win some reality tv thing.

#34 marple

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:04 PM

My friend feels awful about his gofundme page. He told me the other day that he feels like he can't spend any money , as people are going to comment about it. His words were " It's just awful that people are spending all this money on  me " He didn't want the gofundme page ,his sister set it up.
They don't need the money, other people do and I think it is worrying him.

#35 Chocolate Addict

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:05 PM

I don't watch Survivor, is there anything special about that guy? Yes, he has 3 kids with special needs but he isn't alone.

He also managed to take 3 months(?) away from them so mustn't be doing it too tight. He would also qualify for NDIS.

I know many people with multiple SN kids and no way could they take off for 3 months on a hope of winning big money. Their partners need them, their kids need them and they would be too busy working to help cover all the costs that NDIS doesn't.

Of course I posted that on a news article and got asked what/who was I helping and that I lacked empathy.

I didn't bother telling them just how involved in the disability community I am. :p

I got a friend to set up herself a page (and threatened to do it for her if she didn't). She has a medical condition that meant she couldn't walk much and is on disability pension. She wanted a $2000 portable scooter.
When she finally relented and then posted it on her page, she got her $2000 within 3 days, and a little more before she shut it down.
She was overwhelmed by her friends generosity, people only put in a little but it added up fast. She was extremely grateful and as I said, closed it once the goal was reached.

#36 Mollycoddle

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:19 PM

View PostYodaTheWrinkledOne, on 19 September 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

My mother no longer insures her car. She would be lucky to get $1000 for it (and that's being generous! It's 27 years old), but comprehensive insurance for it was costing her $479 a year. At her age (76) and on her income, that's too much. So I get why she stopped paying for comprehensive car insurance. It's a chance she's willing to take that it doesn't get written off somehow.

ETA: I am fairly certain she has 3rd party insurance for damage to someone else's car though. As well as the CTP for registration.

Of course it's not prudent to keep shelling out for insurance when it's costing more than what the asset is worth, that's just common sense.  Just bank a few premiums and you're already ahead.  And I would never be without CTP property.  We have a lot of young people with cars at the youth accommodation service where I work and would put on a bet that none of them have it.  Despite one of the young girls recently being hit with a $31K invoice for damage to a light pole and steel barrier where it was a genuine single vehicle accident in wet weather and while she was deemed at fault there was no neg driving or charges laid.  The unwise decision not to get the insurance will follow her and she will be paying it off for many years to come.

Edited by Mollycoddle, 19 September 2019 - 04:21 PM.


#37 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:19 PM

View Postmarple, on 19 September 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

My friend feels awful about his gofundme page. He told me the other day that he feels like he can't spend any money , as people are going to comment about it. His words were " It's just awful that people are spending all this money on  me " He didn't want the gofundme page ,his sister set it up.
They don't need the money, other people do and I think it is worrying him.
um, he could always ask his sister to close the page down.

Alternatively, he could contact GFM directly and explain that he wants the page closed down too.

#38 AliasMater

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:22 PM

View Postgracie1978, on 19 September 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

So I guess not having insurance doesn't sit with my values.

This comment is pretty awful.

Where I live, we have had 7 or 8 x 1 in 100 year natural disasters in less than 10 years. Our home and contents is astronomical. Most insurers won't even insure our post code. The post code area is huge, and we weren't even effected in our part but alas, it is what it is!

We have continued taking out home and contents, but at the highest excess of $3000 per claim to keep the policy below $4k per year. We earn above the average though. I can totally understand when it comes to a point where people just can't part with that kind of money.

It really isn't a 'values' thing. I guess that is unless you value insurance more than feeding and providing for children.

Edited by AliasMater, 19 September 2019 - 04:25 PM.


#39 Mollycoddle

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:24 PM

View Postmarple, on 19 September 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

My friend feels awful about his gofundme page. He told me the other day that he feels like he can't spend any money , as people are going to comment about it. His words were " It's just awful that people are spending all this money on  me " He didn't want the gofundme page ,his sister set it up.
They don't need the money, other people do and I think it is worrying him.

So decline it.  I'm pretty sure it actually has to be approved by the person/cause the funds are raising money for...

#40 But seriously

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:26 PM

View PostAliasMater, on 19 September 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

This comment is pretty awful.

Where I live, we have had 7 or 8 x 1 in 100 year natural disasters in less than 10 years. Our home and contents is astronomical. Most insurers won't even insure our post code. The post code area is huge, and we weren't even effected in our part but alas. it is what it is!

We have continued taking out home and contents, but at the highest excess of $3000 per claim to keep the policy below $4k per year. We earn above the average though. I can totally understand when it comes to a point where people just can't part with that kind of money.

It really isn't a 'values' thing.

Thats a very specific example that I am sure people understand. Outside of this and some of examples suggested by other posters are examples of being simple being bloody stupid.

#41 AliasMater

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:28 PM

It's not that specificic really. There are 12,000 odd homes in my post code. Watch this space as climate worsens and prices you out of premiums in your post code.

Edited by AliasMater, 19 September 2019 - 04:31 PM.


#42 #YKG

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:40 PM

I’ve only ever once donated to a go fund me type campaign, it was for a friend who was self employed, mum unable to work due to disability and dad dying of cancer.
I don’t donate to strangers & ransoms, I have to legitimately know you and be friends.

#43 IamOzgirl

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:48 PM

Interesting - i am struggling with this at the moment.

Someone i am loosely friends with in my extended community had a go fund me page created for the. I can't bring myself to donate because I think they should have been better prepared etc (not waiting to go into identifying specifics)

However I am creating a gofundme because i want to donate to two Charities in honor of my son. I am doing Gofundme so i can split the money 50/50. So i feel terrible for not donating to someone when i myself am asking for money too :-(

#44 born.a.girl

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:48 PM

View PostAliasMater, on 19 September 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

It's not that specificic really. There are 12,000 odd homes in my post code. Watch this space as climate worsens and prices you out of premiums in your post code.

One thing I can say for America (one of the very few things) is that they have this covered, so that if you are in a flood zone, you can insure via the government.

Not sure how it works and it was soooo long ago that I read about it - at the time of Hurricane Katrina.

Hope it still exists.

#45 gracie1978

Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:57 PM

When we bought our house 6 years ago insurability was absolutely something I considered and checked before committing.
For the life of me I can't work out why anyone would buy right on the water and I'm terrified of fires, so the bush was out for me.  I have a healthy fear of leaky homes, so anything built in the last 20 years was out.  
I also checked for flood issues as well and I won't move home because of earthquakes.  I'm probably more risk aware (or OCD) than most.

We spend over 13k a year on health, home and car insurance.  Nothing particularly high risk no longer high income earners esp in Sydney.  

I just really value insurance.  If I couldn't afford to feed my children and pay house insurance, I'd be reconsidering if I could afford my house.

Also living somewhere uninsurable is not the norm.  Of the 15-20 campaigns I've been asked to contribute to, almost all just never bothered to get insurance 'won't happen to me'.
The woman I sold my car to was stupidly relaxed about insuring it, saying she'd sort it on the weekend.  Personally I wouldn't even leave a dealership without insurance.




#46 born.a.girl

Posted 19 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

View Postgracie1978, on 19 September 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

When we bought our house 6 years ago insurability was absolutely something I considered and checked before committing.
For the life of me I can't work out why anyone would buy right on the water and I'm terrified of fires, so the bush was out for me.  I have a healthy fear of leaky homes, so anything built in the last 20 years was out.  
I also checked for flood issues as well and I won't move home because of earthquakes.  I'm probably more risk aware (or OCD) than most.

We spend over 13k a year on health, home and car insurance.  Nothing particularly high risk no longer high income earners esp in Sydney.  

I just really value insurance.  If I couldn't afford to feed my children and pay house insurance, I'd be reconsidering if I could afford my house.

Also living somewhere uninsurable is not the norm.  Of the 15-20 campaigns I've been asked to contribute to, almost all just never bothered to get insurance 'won't happen to me'.
The woman I sold my car to was stupidly relaxed about insuring it, saying she'd sort it on the weekend.  Personally I wouldn't even leave a dealership without insurance.


Neither would I.  Some people are just a bit clueless financially though.  Husband and adult daughter were about to drive a second hand car home and neither of them had given any thought to insurance.  I handle all of our finances, but I'd still thought he'd stop and think 'hey, shouldn't we ...?'.  It's usually me reminding them beforehand, but this time I just thought I'd see what happened.

Good thing I did the insurance myself beforehand.


As for floods, a lot of that has been retrospective after flood events that have been considered once in a hundred year foods, and a wider area than the flood area has now been caught up in that.  I do think that needs some special consideration.

#47 boatiebabe

Posted 19 September 2019 - 05:24 PM

I've donated to a few.

One was for teachers who had lost personal items in a school fire. It was to replace that item.

One was for the building of a new facility.

One was for a friend who had suffered a stroke and needed 24/7 assistance.

Another I have donated regularly to is a family who is raising funds for research, and not necessarily themselves.

But the one that stuck in my craw was for a family after the mother needed an operation which her insurance company would not pay for. I was happy to help them out. They raised many thousands but it was a bit odd to see how many family holidays (overseas) they took over the next year.

If you are crying poor and asking people for money - sorry but I think that it's bad form to keep posting of your trips away on social media.

I don't feel any pressure to donate. If I can I do, but I'm choosy. I have to know the people and the situation before I feel comfortable about it.

#48 Ivy Ivy

Posted 19 September 2019 - 06:40 PM

View Postboatiebabe, on 19 September 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:


They raised many thousands but it was a bit odd to see how many family holidays (overseas) they took over the next year.

If you are crying poor and asking people for money - sorry but I think that it's bad form to keep posting of your trips away on social media.


That is unspeakably poor form.  I have no words.

#49 Mmmcheese

Posted 19 September 2019 - 06:42 PM

I think I've only donated once and it was for one of the Bourke Street victims who was on her way to breastfeed her baby at daycare in her lunch break.

#50 WannabeMasterchef

Posted 19 September 2019 - 06:44 PM

View Post~LemonMyrtle~, on 19 September 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

People can own their own home and genuinely not afford to insure it, but having a house is better than not having one. Like older people on a pension, they aren’t going to sell their $500k home that they have had since it was worth $40k, but they might not be able to afford the insurance premiums in a bushfire prime area either. Insurance’s have gone up a lot, probably a lot more than their income.

How much would the premiums in a fire prone area be?

My parents are on a pension and for their 300K home which they own I think their insurance is about $300 a year.  Not in a fire or flood prone area though.Genuinely asking - I imagine it varies a lot on location

.I wonder if there are any (non predatory) loan schemes pensioners could use in that situation?

Edited by WannabeMasterchef, 19 September 2019 - 06:47 PM.





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