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#1 kadoodle

Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:44 AM

How common is this? A girlfriend of mine swears her dogette got pregnant via one, but I alway thought that they were an urban myth.

#2 *Spikey*

Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:57 PM

A silent heat is one where the human is oblivious to the signs that the b**ch is in heat. Humans can be pretty good at ignoring some things, especially when denial is oh, so good....

It's not that silent - there is still discharge and swelling, its just the dog has cleaned herself up so that the blood isn't so obvious (ie, no cleaning up after the dog). And if you don't know what the girl looks like when not in heat, you aren't going to be able to tell if it is "swollen" or not. It's not like they inflate hugely, its a swelling, not 100 x inflation.

I do know of a very experienced cat breeder who missed the signs of her queen being back in heat (the stud male, however, did not, lol) and got a big surprise when she produced a litter of 6 kittens. But she didn't think it was a silent one, just overlooked by the humans who weren't expecting it so soon after the first litter.

#3 kadoodle

Posted 07 September 2019 - 06:27 PM

Thanks, Spikey; I suspected that it might have been something like that.

Unfortunately, my girls all had heats like teenaged girls and spread blood everywhere. No one will desex before the first heat these days.

#4 Leslie Knope

Posted 07 September 2019 - 06:37 PM

I had never heard of this. You learn something new every day!

#5 Jingleflea

Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:12 PM

I've only ever had one cat who went on heat (twice in 3 weeks!). I was looking after her for a friend of DH's  who never desexed her in the 12 months he'd had her(long story short, I kept her and desexed her and had her another 17 years) and there was NO WAY you could miss that she was on heat!

#6 kadoodle

Posted 07 September 2019 - 08:37 PM

I can’t imagine wanting to own an entire cat. The girls howl and the boys roam and hump, and they both spray.

#7 Jingleflea

Posted 07 September 2019 - 08:43 PM

With this guy it was sheer laziness.

Even though at the time, the RSPCA gave them a voucher for free desexing. They just never did it.
Poor cat was in a strange house and constantly on heat, 4 cats next door roaming around didn't help either.

#8 *Spikey*

Posted 08 September 2019 - 08:33 AM

My girls have all been quite light bleeders (and across two breeds), well, the ones we had before desexing. But there was a lot of licking, and when you're grooming them, you notice some difference. I suspect if the dog spent a lot of time outdoors, you didn't regularly groom the rear end, and they were fastidious about being clean (the dog), it would be quite easy for an otherwise distracted human to miss the signs.

Apparently the cat didn't do a lot of yowling or show other behaviours that indicate a possible heat. She did have kittens she was still feeding, so they were not expecting it - and then missed the other stuff, lol.

My girl "shared" kittens with her, she only had three (that was the planned mating) and often fed the other girl's kittens. Often in the basket together - two mummies, 9 kitties. Oh so cute.

#9 kadoodle

Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:29 AM

That’s so cute; they’re little commune kitties!

My friend’s dog is a moonmoon (can’t remember what their proper name is) , so inside/outside; rather than an outside working dog.

#10 *Spikey*

Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:38 AM

Husky? Malamute?

Or just Derpy?

#11 annodam

Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:14 AM

My Basenji girl years ago (she was 9 maybe?) went though one, her stupid Breeder thought she had Pyo & medicated her to the eyeballs.
In any event, she ended up having 2 pups, 1 male (normal) & 1 female (severe deformation, she was put down at birth).
Around 5yrs later, she ended up dying from mammary cancer.

All this because he refused to desex her.

ETA:  Probably like Spikey said, us humans may have missed the signs as Basenjis are really fastidious & groom themselves like cats.  But the boys knew!

Edited by annodam, 08 September 2019 - 10:18 AM.

#12 kadoodle

Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:17 AM

View Post*Spikey*, on 08 September 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

Husky? Malamute?

Or just Derpy?

Definitely derpy (but she’s still a puppy, so they all are), and I think she’s a husky. I’m trying to convince her to go with the abortion spey, but my friend is on the fence about it.

#13 *Spikey*

Posted 08 September 2019 - 03:04 PM

Log on to one of the pound pages and show her the gazillion of husky and husky crosses available, and ask her if this is her long term plan.

I love huskies. But they are not for everyone.

#14 (feral)epg

Posted 08 September 2019 - 03:16 PM

View Postkadoodle, on 07 September 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

No one will desex before the first heat these days.

Huh?  What?  Standard practise is to desex (females) at around 6 months because there is a proven medical benefit to doing so.  It almost eliminates the risk of mammary cancers.

I see plenty of puppies who come from the breeders already desexed at rehoming / sale at 8-10 weeks age (which I don't particularly support).

#15 kadoodle

Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:02 PM

Huskies are so pretty, but there’s no way that I could deal with that coat.

I’ve never had a problem with getting cats desexed at 6 to 8 weeks, but in my (very limited) experience with puppies; no vet will do anything before 6months or first heat. I’m told it affects growth and continence, although I’m not sure why this applies to dogs but not cats.

#16 casime

Posted 14 September 2019 - 09:47 AM

My girls are extremely clean, but I usually give them all at least a quick brush everyday on the grooming table, so always have a quick check.  If I don't pick it up, the boys will quickly let me know by their change in behaviour.    

I recommend puppy buyers wait until about three months after the first heat to desex.  I find that those that have been desexed early are smaller than those that are desexed later, quite fine boned, different head shapes (more snipey), and they never get their full adult coats, keeping a much shorter and finer coat which has very little undercoat.

#17 kadoodle

Posted 14 September 2019 - 03:29 PM

That’s really interesting, thanks Casime.

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