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#51 Lunafreya

Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:43 AM

Those holiday makers at the airport complaining about being inconvenienced...well, revolutions are not meant to be convenient. They are MEANT to disrupt, otherwise you can’t change things.



#52 red_squirrel

Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:31 AM

Due to neither side backing down, I wonder if what we are seeing is the start of the fall of communism in China?

I know people were saying that after Tiananmen sq. And nothing happened then, but the USSR fell at that same time.

Communism does always eventually fall as it can only be maintained using ever increasing hardline authoritarianism. Eventually people say F it.

#53 Ozquoll

Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:47 AM

China has been communist in name only for decades. The authoritarianism is certainly increasing though. If mainland China brings military force to bear there is nothing the people of Hong Kong could do to stop them.

I suspect one of the things that has stayed their hand so far is the willingness of Trump to up the ante in the burgeoning US-China trade war. He would probably seize on the use of military force against HK as a reason to impose higher tariffs and sanctions on China.

#54 red_squirrel

Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:53 AM

If they did send the PLA in I would like to think it would be more countries and banks than just the USA that would be against them.
But it probably wouldn’t work out that way. So much apathy.

#55 Kiwi Bicycle

Posted 03 September 2019 - 05:45 PM

The other reason China is hesitating is that they have offered the same one country, two systems deal to Taiwan to rejoin them. Plus there's Macau. If they roll the tanks etc in, they can say bye bye to any deal with Taiwan.

#56 Lunafreya

Posted 03 September 2019 - 05:56 PM

Taiwan should tell them to go jump too

#57 Bethlehem Babe

Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:05 PM

+ Tibet.

#58 Lunafreya

Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:04 PM

15th consecutive weekend of protests.

Came here to show a video of a darling elderly gentleman, Uncle Wong. He distracts the police so he can get arrested instead of young people.

https://www.theguard...ing-stick-video

And they are very protective of him. It’s so sad and beautiful, but his reasoning is sound. These young people have their futures in front of them, he wants to make sure it’s not jeopardised by a jail sentence.

#59 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:20 PM

View Postred_squirrel, on 03 September 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

If they did send the PLA in I would like to think it would be more countries and banks than just the USA that would be against them.
But it probably wouldn’t work out that way. So much apathy.

I don't think anyone will care.  Biggest trading partner and all that.  I fear it's only a matter of time before they send in the PLA.

And yup communist in name only.  Speaking to a taxi driver the other day who said people don't go to the doctor if they suspect it's anything serious (cancer etc.) as they know they won't be able to afford the care required.

Edited by Gumbette, 17 September 2019 - 01:20 PM.


#60 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:58 PM

View PostLunafreya, on 03 September 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:

Taiwan should tell them to go jump too

View PostBethlehem Babe, on 03 September 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

+ Tibet.

They can't?  They're small countries.  No one will help them stand up to China.

Edited by Gumbette, 17 September 2019 - 02:10 PM.


#61 Ozquoll

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:11 PM

View PostLunafreya, on 17 September 2019 - 01:04 PM, said:

15th consecutive weekend of protests.

Came here to show a video of a darling elderly gentleman, Uncle Wong. He distracts the police so he can get arrested instead of young people.

https://www.theguard...ing-stick-video

And they are very protective of him. It’s so sad and beautiful, but his reasoning is sound. These young people have their futures in front of them, he wants to make sure it’s not jeopardised by a jail sentence.
He sounds gorgeous! And he's right - elderly people make great protesters because they don't need to worry about getting fired from work, or getting a criminal record, or taking care of young children. There's also the thought that riot police beating up 75 year olds is really really bad PR....

#62 Lunafreya

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:24 PM

The elderly of Hong Kong were also adults when the British ran things. They remember how things were.

#63 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:31 PM

Don't get me wrong things were much better when the British were there, but it was no bed of roses either - corruption was rife, they took ALL the plum jobs, no pensions - they basically just bled the colony dry.  But yes, much fonder memories of free press, and no fear of simply disappearing off the streets because you had the audacity to speak out against a  Government not of your choosing.

#64 Lunafreya

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:37 PM

The other side

https://www.abc.net....otests/11518660

#65 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:51 PM

'Tens of thousands' is hardly a majority.  More propaganda.  'Others blame Hong Kong's education curriculum, saying it doesn't teach the younger generation enough about Chinese history'.  British colonialism or the achievements of the Communist Party, which are glorified in the mainland through a separate patriotic education curriculum.

Seriously WTAF.  Achievements of the communist party - do they mean like the Great Leap Foward which didn't achieve ANY of it's goals but eventuated in the greatest famine in history?  Mum once told me it wasn't uncommon on the way to school to walk past her school friends who had passed out or died.  Eggs shells and banana peels would be eaten if you found any on the ground.   Once she actually made it to school, lessons consisted of going into the field and chasing away sparrows as they were eating precious grain.  When those sparrows were all killed (they died of exhaustion as they weren't allowed to rest anywhere), insects multiplied and ate far more grain than the birds ever could.  Thank you Chairman Mao the father of communism in China...

Or are we talking about 'achievements' during more recent times like Tianamen Square?

Edited by Gumbette, 17 September 2019 - 07:02 PM.


#66 Lunafreya

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:55 PM

Or maybe when everyone abandoned the farm to smelt iron in their backyards?

Mao's Last Dancer is a great read of those times.

Edited by Lunafreya, 17 September 2019 - 02:57 PM.


#67 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:59 PM

Yes, another joke.   Or when they burnt all the books and buried the all scholars.  No one will rise up if they're too stupid to question anything we do. We just have to kill everyone with an education.

Edited by Gumbette, 17 September 2019 - 03:00 PM.


#68 purplekitty

Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:03 PM

View PostGumbette, on 17 September 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

And yup communist in name only.  Speaking to a taxi driver the other day who said people don't go to the doctor if they suspect it's anything serious (cancer etc.) as they know they won't be able to afford the care required.
That's why Mao promoted Chinese Medicine because there were so few western doctors to treat 500 Million people.


EFS.

Edited by purplekitty, 17 September 2019 - 03:04 PM.


#69 Lunafreya

Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:04 PM

I work near Chinatown. Heaps of Chinese medicine shops. *shudder*

#70 Gumbette

Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:23 PM

View Postpurplekitty, on 17 September 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:

That's why Mao promoted Chinese Medicine because there were so few western doctors to treat 500 Million people.

EFS.

Because he murdered all the western doctors and sent them to labour camps.  If he hadn't they could have at least trained more.  Again because he didn't want anyone educated to stir the masses into an uprising.  Chinese medicine always had it's place before and after Mao.  

My aunt was treated by one of the Chinese doctors...she fell off a bridge and probably sustained a fracture.  Instead of a cast, he rolled up a dirty newspaper, dipped in some type of herbal concoction and inserted it into a wound he had made.  She became disabled at the age of 9.  3 hip operations later (thanks to the Australian people), she now still walks with a very pronounced limp but at least isn't in constant pain anymore.

Edited by Gumbette, 17 September 2019 - 03:29 PM.


#71 Ozquoll

Posted 05 October 2019 - 09:51 PM

Citizens are rising up in cities across Iraq, fed up with crime, corruption, and lack of basic services like clean water and electricity. At least 19 killed in three days, including the assassination of an activist couple in the city of Basra. Authorities have imposed curfews and blocked much internet access. The following article is a mostly good summary, excepting that they only saw fit to name the husband who was murdered, not the wife 😡. Her name was Sara Madani. May you rest in peace, Sara Madani and Hussein Adel Madani.
https://www.military...S - Flashpoints)

#72 Bethlehem Babe

Posted 05 October 2019 - 10:33 PM

View PostGumbette, on 17 September 2019 - 01:58 PM, said:





They can't?  They're small countries.  No one will help them stand up to China.

Tibet is an “autonomous regions of China”
Where is next is the question.

#73 Gumbette

Posted 06 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

Taiwan.  

Slightly off topic, but did anyone see the footage of the policeman going up to a medical aid officer (dressed in white & blue so no mistaking him for a protester), kneel on his back and bend him arm back until it snapped.  Gut feeling is that he was sent from the mainland - Chinese military are starting to infiltrate Hong Hong. Police from the Island never carried out such inhumane acts against their own before.

ETA that’s what the Government did during the Tianamen Square massacre.  Beijing military wouldn’t strike their own so they brought in reinforcements from rural areas with no connection to the people / protesters.

Edited by Gumbette, 06 October 2019 - 08:56 AM.


#74 Ozquoll

Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:59 PM

A list of the countries that AREN'T protesting might be rather short at the moment! Lebanon and Chile have joined the fray in recent days:

https://www.reuters..../ US / Top News)

#75 Cimbom

Posted 24 October 2019 - 08:04 AM

Ecuador and Bolivia too.

The Catalan independence supporters have started protesting in Spain again as well.




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