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#1 Bono25

Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:26 PM

Anyone else find the relationship between the Obama's and Bush's incredibly sweet?
Surprised the see Bill Clinton look so emotional and loved that Hilary didn't even look at Trump!!

https://www.abc.net....uneral/10588234

#2 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:59 PM

I was thinking how rude it was for the Trumps to stride off immediately after the casket had departed but then I guess nobody wanted them there anyway. What a graceless pair they are. George W said he loves Trump because he has taken over the title of Worst President Ever.

#3 Crazy4

Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:09 PM

View PostFeral Grey Mare, on 06 December 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

I was thinking how rude it was for the Trumps to stride off immediately after the casket had departed but then I guess nobody wanted them there anyway. What a graceless pair they are. George W said he loves Trump because he has taken over the title of Worst President Ever.

That’s funny and so true. Wasn’t a fan of GWB as President but he seems quite likeable now as a person.

Loved how he handed something to Michelle Obama, a sweet I think like he has done at many state gatherings they’ve attended together.

#4 ~river song~

Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:51 PM

Celebrating the life of a war criminal.

I don’t care what he was like post president life, he had blood on his hands and the fact he lost after one term shows once upon a time the American public had a conscious.



#5 c.sanders

Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:16 PM

Trump has nothing on the rest of them.  George Bush junior was one of the worst!

So many lives lost in Iraq and the Middle East over oil,  fake wars and fake weapons of mass destruction.


For shame.

#6 AQSA

Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:58 PM

There is nothing 'incredibly sweet' about the 'relationship' between the Obama and Bush families (or the connection between the Bush and Clinton families). Corrupt to the core.

As for the comment about GWB 'seems quite likeable now as a person'. How did you come up with that opinion?

Trump leaving as soon as possible after protocol was complete was the right thing to do.

At least 1.3 million Muslims died because of GWB (with the help of his Father's mates) and the total number probably closer to 3 million.









#7 (feral)epg

Posted 06 December 2018 - 11:15 PM

I finally have something good to say about George Bush Junior.  
He can be polite, even charming to his political nemesis.

Once upon a time that would not have been considered a noteworthy thing.

#8 AQSA

Posted 06 December 2018 - 11:43 PM

View Post(feral)epg, on 06 December 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

I finally have something good to say about George Bush Junior.  
He can be polite, even charming to his political nemesis.

Once upon a time that would not have been considered a noteworthy thing.

What scenario are you referring to? and who is his political nemesis?

Are you comparing him to Hillary Clinton who wasn't polite towards her political nemesis?

And being 'polite, even charming' towards a political nemesis counts for what exactly after being responsible for the deaths of millions of people, many of them children!?

#9 Bam1

Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:05 AM

View Post~river song~, on 06 December 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Celebrating the life of a war criminal.

I don’t care what he was like post president life, he had blood on his hands and the fact he lost after one term shows once upon a time the American public had a conscious.

Not quite sure you can conclude the American public had a conscience, he mainly lost because of his “read my lips - no new taxes”  and then ultimately created some to help fund the war. The American people wanted the war they just didnt want to pay for it.

#10 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:35 AM

the coverage of hillary (in the broader press - not referring to anyone here) was interesting - and was a repeat of the same old misogyny “she hates jimmy carter! she was next to him and didn’t speak to him!” - she was next to him, i have no idea if she dislikes him but she most definitely spoke to him - there *was* footage of them having what appeared to be quite a friendly exchange....as for how she reacted to trump - the guy who wants to “lock her up”, “crooked hillary” - yeh well.  and as for Bush - i dont know about this re-writing of history - let’s be polite about someone because they’re dead. i didn’t do it with Thatcher either.


#11 BadCat

Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:58 AM

My takeaway from this is that the president is a toddler.

Comments I have seen in media (paraphrased):

He behaved himself
He controlled himself
He was proud of himself for behaving well


These are the kind of things I expect to hear about a 3yo attending a grown up event.

And he didn't behave himself.  He was a graceless clod, out of step with everyone else there.

#12 Crazy4

Posted 18 December 2018 - 02:42 PM

View PostAQSA, on 06 December 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

There is nothing 'incredibly sweet' about the 'relationship' between the Obama and Bush families (or the connection between the Bush and Clinton families). Corrupt to the core.

As for the comment about GWB 'seems quite likeable now as a person'. How did you come up with that opinion?

Trump leaving as soon as possible after protocol was complete was the right thing to do.

At least 1.3 million Muslims died because of GWB (with the help of his Father's mates) and the total number probably closer to 3 million.




You are clearly not a fan but I prefer to see the good in people.  Him being likeable is my opinion because of how he interacts with other past Presidents.  It is my opinion, you don’t have to share it.

Edited by Crazy4, 18 December 2018 - 02:43 PM.


#13 Fresh Start

Posted 26 December 2018 - 04:25 PM

I was thinking of this thread as I listened to a history of George HW Bush.

Listen to this and remember the stuff he did and tell me you still think he was a likeable guy.
http://thedollop.lib...-george-hw-bush


#14 fancie shmancie

Posted 27 December 2018 - 08:59 PM

View PostFresh Start, on 26 December 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

I was thinking of this thread as I listened to a history of George HW Bush.

Listen to this and remember the stuff he did and tell me you still think he was a likeable guy.
http://thedollop.lib...-george-hw-bush

I lasted as long as I could - not that long.  I was totally turned off by the constant laughing at their own jokes and interruptions and asides to the information.

#15 Fresh Start

Posted 27 December 2018 - 09:51 PM

That’s their style to get a broad range of people listening to US history, it’s not for everyone. I came to this through other podcasts and already liked them so the style suits me.

All the sources are linked to the podcast so people can read it all for themselves:
SOURCES FOR Ep 358 - George H.W. Bus

https://www.theguard....secondworldwar

https://www.independ...s-a8662396.html

https://www.washingt...m=.c5fe14e24357

https://consortiumne...ored-terrorism/

https://www.rollings...rge-bush-71927/

https://www.globalre...eb-bush/5481636

http://articles.lati...n-contra-affair

https://www.nytimes....it-dispute.html

https://dcist.com/st...e-war-on-drugs/

https://pointsadhsbl...-the-president/

https://archive.nyti...ardon.html?_r=1

https://www.bbc.com/...canada-41974116

https://www.britanni...-Air-flight-655

https://www.cnn.com/...1992/index.html

https://deadspin.com...d-me-1819855977

https://deadspin.com...d-me-1819855977

https://www.vox.com/...ly-metoo-legacy

https://www.washingt...m=.62f40f78eaf2

https://www.npr.org/...hs-role-in-iraq

http://www.rudaw.net.../iraq/011220181

https://apnews.com/0...4562aea38ab9910

https://www.nytimes....rs-in-poll.html

https://www.counterp...sion-of-panama/

https://www.huffingt...4b0606a15b5efa7

https://www.rollings...sh-wimp-766076/

https://www.currenta...heer-propaganda

https://theintercept...ion-of-justice/

https://theintercept...n-war-criminal/

https://truthout.org...scists-at-home/

https://www.huffingt...dushpmg00000004

Lincoln Journal Star - Aug 3, 1988

San Bernardino County Sun - Aug 4, 1988

Newsweek, August 15, 1988


He should not be remembered as a likeable man. He should not be considered a good president because he is compared to Trump.

Edited by Fresh Start, 27 December 2018 - 09:52 PM.


#16 c.sanders

Posted 28 December 2018 - 01:02 AM

View PostCrazy4, on 18 December 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:



You are clearly not a fan but I prefer to see the good in people.  Him being likeable is my opinion because of how he interacts with other past Presidents.  It is my opinion, you don’t have to share it.

You seeing the good in him is essentially you condoning his behaviour and actions. They don't suddenly disappear when these people stop being president.

Would you make the same comments about Harvey Weinstein or people like that?  Do you prefer to see the good in them as well?

#17 la di dah

Posted 28 December 2018 - 07:01 PM

I don't get the heartwarming aspect to seeing the good in abusers and killers because they can be polite to other abusers and killers, that  they consider their social equals, at events.

That Trump is graceless and stupid doesn't make the others good or likable. That's simply saying an important quality in a killer is their public speaking ability, poise, and dress sense.

Honestly the biggest difference between the Bushes and Trump is old money vs. new - even at his most down-home cowboy  impersonation best, GWB came from money and was trained to differentiate between homey and crass. Homey was fake of course. But at least he's not tacky? I guess?




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