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#101 born.a.girl

Posted 19 April 2018 - 05:36 PM

View Postpremmie, on 19 April 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

I don't disagree, he should absolutely face the consequences. If his personal sponsors want to pull out I feel they have every right. I work for a big multinational and I would hate for our products/brands to be associated with that kind of garbage. If he in fact broke the rules of his contract with ARU then he should also be sacked. Especially if he used their media platform to do it.

I happen to disagree with the hate speech laws. We should be able to put forward whatever personal view we hold, as long as we are not encouraging violence. That view then needs to hold up to public discussion. Isn't that what education is about, listening, reading it all and deciding for yourself. If we shut down speech we don't agree with, we're not helping anyone.

Rather than howling for blood isnt it better to seek to educate. He looks like a complete idiot and a bigot for what he said. And he'll suffer the consequences...

To you.

For those who agree with his hate filled, bigoted attitudes, it's given their beliefs reinforcement.

#102 purplekitty

Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:06 PM

View Postblue86, on 19 April 2018 - 05:13 PM, said:

Considering his page is public, and until recently clearly linked him to both the Waratahs and the Wallabies (and still uses a lot of shots of him in the team kit), what he posts there is an extension of the public profile he has due to the game and should therefor be no different than if he was posting on behalf of the clubs.

As a long term club member, who adores his on field brilliance, I believe he should go. As a lover of this game and all it stands for and is trying to achieve, I believe he should go. As a decent human being who thinks that his opinion is hurtful, denigrating and plain wrong, I think he’s a t**nt.

And as someone who works in the public sector, if someone who worked for us brought us into disrepute on their social media page, they’d be sacked (and have been)
He is part of the rugby community and it is the responsibility of Rugby Australia to consider its family right down to grassroots rugby.
There are gay players,friends and family members who need to feel comfortable and included.

IMO it is quite different to public servants criticising government policy in their own time,that is their right.
Who does that harm except precious politicians?

#103 archyandmehitabel

Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:44 PM

View PostLucrezia Borgia, on 19 April 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

Yeh it's an interesting point. The public servant who was sacked over tweets critical of Australia's asylum seeker policy has won compensation and the AAT has determined her sacking was unlawful. Different scenario obviously - for one - I agreed with what she said (!) but also her twitter handle didn't really reveal who she was. No doubt Folau's did. But mainly this was a win for the "unfettered and implied right or freedom of political expression" - it may be appealed, so watch this space. And Folau's comments were religious - but maybe also political? The SSM debate put it squarely in the political arena.

View Postpurplekitty, on 19 April 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

He is part of the rugby community and it is the responsibility of Rugby Australia to consider its family right down to grassroots rugby.
There are gay players,friends and family members who need to feel comfortable and included.

IMO it is quite different to public servants criticising government policy in their own time,that is their right.
Who does that harm except precious politicians?

I agree. A public servant doesn't have the same public profile and following.  As an ex-public servant I can say safely that I never had anyone approach me or anyone work colleague I knew to say 'we want to televise your work, interview you about it, write articles about your hopes and dreams, and make you a hero and celebrity who will be recognised everywhere you go.

I hadn;t heard that the public servant got compensation.  Glad to hear it. Will she be reinstated?  She should be!  Public servants are not, as I have ranted before, politicians servants, but public servants.  They should be able to comment freely on govt policy as long as they do not use privileged information or fail to carry out their duties.

#104 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:54 PM

Yeh I'm glad she got up - I just got the alert this week, so its very recent.

It will be interesting to see where this leads the jurisprudence around the implied right of political speech - working in media we stretch the decision in Lange to its absolute limits (not always successfully). And whether or not this has any relevance to Folau - probably not - it was a religious comment. But in the hands of the right lawyer, I don't know....

#105 *Spikey*

Posted 19 April 2018 - 07:12 PM

View Postpremmie, on 19 April 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

I don't disagree, he should absolutely face the consequences. If his personal sponsors want to pull out I feel they have every right. I work for a big multinational and I would hate for our products/brands to be associated with that kind of garbage. If he in fact broke the rules of his contract with ARU then he should also be sacked. Especially if he used their media platform to do it.

I happen to disagree with the hate speech laws. We should be able to put forward whatever personal view we hold, as long as we are not encouraging violence. That view then needs to hold up to public discussion. Isn't that what education is about, listening, reading it all and deciding for yourself. If we shut down speech we don't agree with, we're not helping anyone.

Rather than howling for blood isnt it better to seek to educate. He looks like a complete idiot and a bigot for what he said. And he'll suffer the consequences...

We don't have "hate speech laws", we have anti-discrimination legislation.

You (as in the general public) may hold your incredibly racist, anti-semitic or misogynistic views as the law does not police the holding of those views or expressing them when there are no consequences for doing so (aka, respectful debate).

It does however, provide redress for situations where those views are expressed and those views have an impact on the targeted person, as well it should. The law isn't about shutting down the debate, it is about protecting people from the consequences of the debate getting out of hand - like when the hate speech incites people towards violence, or sacking people, and so forth.

While you might consider the debate 'the greater good', I can assure you that no good can be achieved for the majority without firmly protecting the health and wellbeing of the vulnerable minorities - the very same minority targeted by a well-known public profile with words that arguably could incite people to behave badly, if those words aligned with their own views.

A pox on Israel Folau and all of his like-minded ilk. The world doesn't need their puny minds and shrivelled hearts. The fact that they would use words and thoughts to intentionally harm others speaks volumes about their alleged 'Christianity'.

#106 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 19 April 2018 - 07:23 PM

Well, I agree Spikey - but I think in his mind he was accurately enunciating his church's teaching - so - condemn the man, but condemn the religion too. And while not every Christian holds views similar to him - many Christian churches do, and not just Christian churches - look at the SSM marriage survey results for Sydney - look at the areas that had a strong no vote - and look at some of the reasons social scientists have put it down to.  Religion is the elephant in the room.

https://www.theguard...ove-the-no-vote


#107 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 19 April 2018 - 09:26 PM

View Post~J_F~, on 19 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:



Considering a lot of employment contracts now contain social media usage clauses, I would say plenty of people are quite happy for that to happen.
I agree
He was well aware of potentional consequences of what e posts from his own social media
He wants to exercise his right to have freedom of speech? No problem
He also accepts the *responsibility* and *consequences* of what he says .

#108 purplekitty

Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:15 PM

Dear Israel Folau, I’ve already been to hell

Kim Baker Wilson
https://www.theguard...ell?CMP=soc_568

#109 BadCat

Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:29 PM

Thanks PK.  Great piece.

#110 purplekitty

Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:28 PM

Is Folau trying to get out of his contract?

https://www.stuff.co...n-homosexuality

#111 blue86

Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:44 PM

View Postpurplekitty, on 08 May 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

Is Folau trying to get out of his contract?

https://www.stuff.co...n-homosexuality

He’s off contract at the end of the year (which is why I think NSW Rugby went so soft, they’re scared he’ll go overseas when it expires)

I think, unfortunately, that he just genuinely believes this...well, there’s no polite word that I can use to describe it so, stuff. And he thinks he’s justified in saying it, regardless of the position he holds within the club and he game - and their position on the issue.

I still stand by my opinion that he should be stood down.

#112 purplekitty

Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:52 PM

This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.The mood was dark from union supporters last time.

The Tahs are performing badly so supporters aren't about to cut him much slack and the Wobbles are beyond help.
Just another example of the culture in NSW,full of underperforming bad boys who continue to be picked for Aus.

#113 1975ladybug

Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:53 PM

No his flunting that rugby needs him more than he needs them

https://www.smh.com....417-p4za6j.html



#114 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 08 May 2018 - 08:49 PM

View Post1975ladybug, on 08 May 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

No his flunting that rugby needs him more than he needs them

https://www.smh.com....417-p4za6j.html

Well lets hope that they decide they don't. Considering the backlash after the last time, lets hope he ends up with nothing.

Homophobic prick!!

#115 Lunafreya

Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:36 PM

All they have to say is that he doesn’t speak for his team or the league. Nothing more than that.

Sports are so terribly homophobic anyway, especially amongst the players. They’re afraid of being ogled by men in the locker room the same way that men ogle women.

Homophonic men are afraid that men will treat them how they treat women. Which is why it’s so personal even is it’s not about them.

#116 purplekitty

Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:15 PM

It’s not League but I get your meaning and while sport can be homophobic,even at grassroots rugby players do support their fellow players.
Folau’s comments are surprisingly not popular.

#117 71Cath

Posted 09 May 2018 - 04:02 PM

He's been at it again...

http://www.abc.net.a...-sermon/9741914

Jerk.  Why won't they sack him?

#118 Lunafreya

Posted 09 May 2018 - 04:04 PM

I think he thinks he can't be.

#119 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 09 May 2018 - 05:39 PM

View PostLunafreya, on 09 May 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

I think he thinks he can't be.
and by the inaction of the clubs/association, it looks like his assumption is true.

#120 purplekitty

Posted 09 May 2018 - 05:46 PM

The sponsors may be telling factor.

#121 71Cath

Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:47 PM

http://www.abc.net.a...l-folau/9770414

I find this attitude appalling.  Has he heard of "the standard you walk past is the standard you accept"??

:no2:

Edited by 71Cath, 17 May 2018 - 12:50 PM.


#122 purplekitty

Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:05 PM

Cheika is not going to come down hard on Tahs.
He’s part of the problem.

#123 purplekitty

Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:50 PM

Anyone else feeling the heat?

https://www.instagra...en-by=izzyfolau

#124 Seven of Nine

Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:55 PM

View Postpurplekitty, on 04 July 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

Anyone else feeling the heat?

https://www.instagra...en-by=izzyfolau

It even says EB down the bottom! 😲

#125 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:57 PM

What cracks me up the most is that by posting that type of sh*t it goes against treating your fellow human decently.

It’s hypocritical.

If god is real, IF is ****ed because he is a homophobic prick and a decent god isn’t going to let him!!

Anyway it’s quite cool near me :D




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